Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Poli]

Wait a second. VERY Funny, hater Tarqs. I don't want male sex slaves.

[Poli]

Wait, there are some females. This may work out.

[Mustang]

I had the services of Macro hence my subtle proddings at asking about who we should potentially kill. I did not come out and publically say because I that whomever we picked might then potentially be guarded or something would happen to me to prevent a kill.

This is why I initially thought Pass was lying about not submitting a bid for Macro, I got him so, I was bewildered at how this could happen. Appears that a mistake was made (cronin stated) and it was still fair. Appears that the only way it could be fair is if me and Pass were on the same side.

I have no reason to believe Pass is a Tarq.

[Mustang]

By the way.. the only reason that I bid on Macro was just because I picked someone and threw in a bid.

I didn't think that being so low down I would have a chance at anyone but, still wanted to do something.

[Poli]

So did you have Antmeister eliminated?

I hate to admit this, but I have just about no clue who this macro guy is.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I hate to admit this, but I have just about no clue who this macro guy is.

You may know him by his other name - F3


Anyhoo.. yes, I did order Macro to kill Antmeister.

[Peregrine]

AE, did you get a read on the two people killed today?

[Poli]

All I got were the sex slaves. I don't get reads on the poisons or the by the sword stuff, at least I haven't thus far.

The only person I could have got a read on was Chubby.

[Poli]

The only people I could get a read on this time would be Neon and Chubby. I really don't like the rejail Chubby thing. I wish Hoops had did a better job with that.

[Poli]

Meanwhile, sending the horses to Hoops has did me absolutely no good. I mean, good thing it's almost a worthless service, but I hate to waste it.

[Passacaglia]

Oh geez, in my excitement to use Maximus (to guard Chief Rum) I forgot to put a bid in!

[Poli]

I like how I'm finally getting to sue everyone.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Wait a second. VERY Funny, hater Tarqs. I don't want male sex slaves.

?? what does this mean? Or are you just screwing around?

[Poli]

Nope, I had male and female sex slaves sent to me.

[Poli]

As in nope, I'm not screwing around.

[Grammaticus]

Didn't wither the priest or the philosopher let you check on dead guys for faction?

General consensu of death by poison tells us hoops was one of us. It would be nice to know if antmeister was Republican or Tarq.

[Grammaticus]

In the above post "wither" is "either"

[Poli]

Yeah, same goes for the other two that died by the sword.

What I hate is not knowing who hires me.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE EXECUTE NEON_CHAOS

for starters. I find him still much more suspicious than Chubbus Chubbus and his predecessor.

As for consul-voting...who would we like to see up there?

this game is so damm confusing, I'm still having a hard time getting a real read on people.

[Coffee Warlord]

Only 1 lawyer now? Lovely.

[Poli]

Yeah, I know C Dub. Lovely. At least we'll now see what happens when a lawyer is in jail.

I'm hoping for fireworks.

[Coffee Warlord]

And I have Animus Sentus today. And he's...awfully pointless in this game.

[Poli]

Is he a horse guy?

[Coffee Warlord]

No. I can use him to compel 1 vote.

[Peregrine]

If people want to unofficially vote who they want arrested for tomorrow, I will be glad to go along with that.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

No. I can use him to compel 1 vote.

Heh, that'd be useful if you were a bad guy, but I don't have you pegged as one of those.

[Poli]

I'd send Tyrith or path, Peregrine.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Heh, that'd be useful if you were a bad guy, but I don't have you pegged as one of those.

I dunno if it'd even be all that useful if I was, unless they managed to use it to break a tie.

[Poli]

That's the only way I'd see it useful, honestly.

Anyone being taunted by the GM? Yeah, I just called you out, cronin.

[Poli]

That should read, Anyone else being taunted...

[Ironhead]

Going out to look at houses. I should be back around in 3-5 hours. I am starting to get very suspicious of a few people. I will post some analysis when I got back.

[Poli]

I'm with you Ironhead. I'm leaving in about 20 minutes.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

As in nope, I'm not screwing around.

Well, apparently you are. And the females are looking bored.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh geez, in my excitement to use Maximus (to guard Chief Rum) I forgot to put a bid in!

Thanks for the thought at least.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Didn't wither the priest or the philosopher let you check on dead guys for faction?

General consensu of death by poison tells us hoops was one of us. It would be nice to know if antmeister was Republican or Tarq.

Did that information come out about the priest/philosopher? I didn't read that anywhere but maybe I missed it.

It would be incredibly useful right now to know if saldana and Antmeister were loyal or Tarqs.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Yeah, same goes for the other two that died by the sword.

What I hate is not knowing who hires me.

It was someone higher than me on the wealth chain (about half the group). I bid for you and did not get you.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Only 1 lawyer now? Lovely.

Yup, and DC didn't submit an order for the other one, so we get nothing from lawyers today (plus, he's busy with sex slaves, so we probably don't get anything regardless of what DC does).

This is why I had an issue with arresting Neon. I felt we should check him out first, although he wasn't on my personal list of people to check first (that would be ardent and Antmeister).

Now if we kill Neon, we are certain to lose the second lawyer for a second day. Well, st. cronin doesn't even give the second lawyer service as an option.

st. cronin, if Neon is not executed but freed, wouldn't he be available for hiring?

I doubt it will come up, though. I'm pretty sure he's off the rock.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

No. I can use him to compel 1 vote.

Don't make me look him up. What's his job? Is he the priest? I'm lazy.

And yes that seems of small value in this game, unless it's close.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I had the services of Macro hence my subtle proddings at asking about who we should potentially kill. I did not come out and publically say because I that whomever we picked might then potentially be guarded or something would happen to me to prevent a kill.

This is why I initially thought Pass was lying about not submitting a bid for Macro, I got him so, I was bewildered at how this could happen. Appears that a mistake was made (cronin stated) and it was still fair. Appears that the only way it could be fair is if me and Pass were on the same side.

I have no reason to believe Pass is a Tarq.

Exactly. Your predecessor was a first consul. I have a hard time believing st. cronin would have made an opening consul a Tarq in this game.

And if my logic is correct, you are right then that Pass is probably a good guy as well.

I think we can start to establish some rudimentary trust circles. I will post my thoughts in a bit.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The Consul of Rome is:
Narcizus Lispus

The Tribune of the Plebs is:

Peregrinus Barbarus (will have temporary Consular authority for one day)

I wish the ole randomizer would stop putting people from my original suspect list (from the Day One sword killer patron analysis) in the Tribune position.

Not seeing I have anything else on Peregrine, but he isn't cleared by far.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

st. cronin, if Neon is not executed but freed, wouldn't he be available for hiring?

He is not available today, as he is in jail. Tomorrow, if he is freed, he will be available for hire in the Forum.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Well that's odd, I won three lawsuits and I dropped way, way down in money. Oh well, at least we have two choices today, finally.

LSG/Chubbus's drop was even more precipitous. All the way to the bottom tier? Talk about riches to rags.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

He is not available today, as he is in jail. Tomorrow, if he is freed, he will be available for hire in the Forum.

So a jailing of a lawyer essentially removes for not one, but two days? Neon can't perform his hired task today because he is in jail, and he can't be hired for tomorrow because he is in jail?

I really, really, really don't like that we arrested one of our lawyers.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So a jailing of a lawyer essentially removes for not one, but two days? Neon can't perform his hired task today because he is in jail, and he can't be hired for tomorrow because he is in jail?

I really, really, really don't like that we arrested one of our lawyers.

Ha! Quoted before you red-fonted the message!

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Last time I voted for CW. My trust of him as slipped since then. I'm really at a lost about who I trust at the moment and am struggling with which way to cast my vote for consul. I'll be interested in hearing who comes forward as a nominee.

I would guess my name will be thrown out there for consul, given the votes I got the last couple times. Unfortunately, this time I will have to withdraw my name from the bidding. The term will be for Monday and Tuesday, and I work both jobs both days. It will be difficult for me to be around for input. It's disappointing because this was why I was aiming for the position over the weekend. I knew I would be available then.

I am still deciding whom I would like to see step forward.

[Neon_Chaos]

Based on how the game's going and how everyone's interacting, I'm probably going to die by execution at the end of the game day, no way is Chubby going to be executed, and people will bandwagon on me.

I haven't tried to acquire any kind of service since the start of the game, considering how my lawsuits failed miserably to put me in any bidding power.

I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

I have my doubts on Autumn/KWhit (based on my post-count analysis) and either one of the wealthiest senators, since the only way they can confirm my innocence (based on whatever rule we're working with, which I'm still not certain as to how it even works) is by bidding for AE and scanning me. Can anyone confirm if someone did use AE and scanned me, as hoopsguy said?

Narcizo is either a Tarq, or has been a really helpful pawn for the Tarq's. I'm sure he has his reasons for doubting me, but there are a lot of other players worth arresting more than myself, considering I was a lawyer and could have been used to scan people.

As for everyone else, I have no idea who's loyal to the Senate and the Republic like myself.

This game has been more frustrating than fun, actually. Didn't really like how we're all grasping for the basic rules of the game for the first two to three game days. I never really got into the groove of things.

[Chief Rum]

Here is my current trust list:

100% Trust

Chiefus Rumus (of course)

Good trust

Kayus Whitus
Passus Caglius
Narcizus Lispus
Mustangus Sallus

I feel pretty solid about this group right now. Kwhit did not have a faultless term as consul, but by and large he has been on the up and up and helping and active. Pass seems at least a little bit confirmed from the Mustang sword use. Narcizo has been one of the most helpful, analytical people in the game and Mustang was an original consul.

Moderate Trust

Ironus Headus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Autumnus Leavus

Ironhead has done some things and announced others that have checked out, all in the name of good. I find him to be reasonably trustworthy. Ardent has drawn some looks for still being alive, but I really do believe he is being left there for us by the Tarqs to rouse suspicion. Everything he has said has checked out so far. Autumn has provided some very good analysis for a new player.

Moderate Distrust

Dodgeus Erchickus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Grammus Atticus
Pathus Twelvus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Neonus Chaosus

DC used to be higher but the continued issues of putting her wealth to good use, and our troubles overall with hiring services needs to fall at the feet of the most wealthy. At some point, I have to stop thinking there is a mess up and start wondering. So she drops to this list. She could go back up if she can successfully hire a critical service and use it in a demonstrative way for good. Barkeep has just had way too many issues as consul, and then he was on my short list as the possible patron of the Day One sword killer. Grammaticus is more personal. He has made a couple comments that struck me wrong, and he would be a veteran player who hasn't really made much of an impact. Path12 is another veteran member (although his posting is about right for what he does) who hasn't contributed much, and he was on my suspect list from the analysis. Peregrine is also on that list, and way too crafty a player to not be trusted by now if he is good. Neon's combativeness with Narcizo and some other "off" comments puts him here for me.

No Read/Uncertain

Abeus Anxietus
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddyus Torgous
Tyrus Ithus

Anxiety has been extremely quiet. He should probably on a distrust list at this point. He is one of our wealthiest and in a position to help us, but I haven't heard anything from him. Still, the fact Ironhead got the sword killer today suggests there is no wolf in the top tier. I find it hard to believe the Tarqs wouldn't prioritize getting that service. I would feel a lot more comfortable if Anxiety was actively working with us and employing his wealth with us. Coffee had good clearing before and a vouching, but I sometimes think he is a candidate for conversion. He hasn't been as helpful as I had hoped he would be, plus he was as known good as anyone earlier in the game, and yet he still lives. No read on Chubby at all, of course, and now he's too poor to prove useful. DaddyTorgo has fallen to UTR status along with some of the other veteran players. He really hasn't contributed much to us that I have seen, much like Anxiety, path12 and Gramm. Tyrith has been kinda drop in with a comment and drop out sort. Hard to read that, although it can certainly be construed as suspicious.

To say I don't have a good feel for hardly anyone at this point would not be a stretch.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Based on how the game's going and how everyone's interacting, I'm probably going to die by execution at the end of the game day, no way is Chubby going to be executed, and people will bandwagon on me.

I haven't tried to acquire any kind of service since the start of the game, considering how my lawsuits failed miserably to put me in any bidding power.

I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

I have my doubts on Autumn/KWhit (based on my post-count analysis) and either one of the wealthiest senators, since the only way they can confirm my innocence (based on whatever rule we're working with, which I'm still not certain as to how it even works) is by bidding for AE and scanning me. Can anyone confirm if someone did use AE and scanned me, as hoopsguy said?

Narcizo is either a Tarq, or has been a really helpful pawn for the Tarq's. I'm sure he has his reasons for doubting me, but there are a lot of other players worth arresting more than myself, considering I was a lawyer and could have been used to scan people.

As for everyone else, I have no idea who's loyal to the Senate and the Republic like myself.

This game has been more frustrating than fun, actually. Didn't really like how we're all grasping for the basic rules of the game for the first two to three game days. I never really got into the groove of things.

Hmm, there's tons here I disagree with, although I 100% agree with your final comment. We haven't had a Senator thrown off the rock since you have been a lawyer, so you won't be able to confirm that part from AE. Plus, now you're in jail, so you likely won't get any information today either (and of course, if it's you off the rock, it doesn't matter at all from your perspective).

Can you go into more of why you have your KWhit/Autmnn doubts? What was the basis behind your post count analysis? They have been active and contributing and haven't said anything that I recall being countered or seemed suspicious. Kwhit had some issues as consul, and he deserves due blame for that, but I think he came out of that looking more the confused Senator than a Tarq.

I agree with you on the wealthy senators. We are having way too many problems procuring services for it to be unintentional.

Although I agree you aren't my choice to have been arrested, I really think you're barking up the wrong tree with Narc. I view his decision as misguided, but that he has been very helpful and analytical. You earned it somewhat by being as combative as you were when he suggested he suspected you. Good players don't turn down scans, by and large.

I have yet to decide if I will be a party to your execution. I'm just maddeningly disappoiinted we don't have the services of eitherl awyer really today.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Mustang

You may know him by his other name - F3

Anyhoo.. yes, I did order Macro to kill Antmeister.

What?

Can people please stop going unilateral with the assassain. Now we have absolutely no way of knowing whether Ant was a bad guy. He wasn't going anywhere or doing anything. All we had to do was wait for a lawyer to scan him and then we would have known for sure. Now we're completely in the dark.

Anyway, I really would like everyone to vote four times today.
1) Who do we execute. We've had enough pfaffing around. I'm going to come back to Neon because I don't think it's as clear cut as things might seem. Anyone who misses the vote should be arrested tomorrow. We've, finally, got a two-candidate race, something approaching a normal WW lynch.
2) Who do we arrest tomorrow. With reasons. I'm very annoyed that I got advice/suggestions from about, what, 5 people yesterday. Unless the game has 15 odd wolves that means that a lot of villagers can't be bothered.
3 + 4) Consul votes.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Can you go into more of why you have your KWhit/Autmnn doubts? What was the basis behind your post count analysis? They have been active and contributing and haven't said anything that I recall being countered or seemed suspicious. Kwhit had some issues as consul, and he deserves due blame for that, but I think he came out of that looking more the confused Senator than a Tarq.

It's more of Autumn than KWhit, actually. KWhit is pretty much moderately unsuspicious to me. AE, Autumn, Kwhit, AlanT and hoopsguy have the most post-counts.

Only AE, Autumn and Kwhit are alive. Unless AE and Autumn's analysis have been wrong to the point that they're helping the Tarqs, I doubt that the Wolves are going to leave the talkative ones alive.

The easiest way to win a Werewolf game is to quiet down the people who are making the most analysis. AlanT was trying to do that from Day 1. Hoopsguy rallied midway through the day to collect and analyze post-counts. Bye bye hoops.

As for DodgerChick, I have slight doubts on her as well, due to her early participation and sudden drop-off.

But there. As I said before, I trust noone.