Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE - Page 41

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

What if swaggs comes up innocent?

Then we kill Mustang.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Then we kill Mustang followed by Grey.

Yup.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:10 PM

if swaggs comes up innocent it probably means mustang is a mutant and I'll vote myself

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:10 PM

If you pick Swaggs.. he won't die, he will continue on for a second night. If you prolong this out, that means 2 nights of him trying to convert others instead of just one night.

You have to pick him tomorrow too to finish him.

Killing me tonight, you will give him that extra time.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

What if swaggs comes up innocent?

Then we kill Mustang followed by Grey.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Then we kill Mustang followed by Grey.

Can't we just jump straight to grey? He is pulling the strings.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:10 PM

wow, there is some major timestamp issues

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:12 PM

Fouts? Why do you think I am bad?

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

if swaggs comes up innocent it probably means mustang is a mutant and I'll vote myself

Nah, a mutant wouldn't point at a villager.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 08:13 PM

If swaggs is innocent it means you all got duped into voting off someone who had given us some previously valuable information

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Can't we just jump straight to grey? He is pulling the strings.

I would be willing to give that serious thought. It might be that Mustang lied to us and Grey mis-read his night action report, but I'm willing to entertain the thought that Grey is lying too. I think they would both need to go, and I don't care too much what order it happens in.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:13 PM

fouts, don't make the mistake with mustang that you made with bullet

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Can't we just jump straight to grey? He is pulling the strings.

Only if Swaggs is innocent. I don't think he is. There is a more direct evidentiary chain to conclude Swaggs is Chaos, then there is that grey is Chaos (which is largely circumstantial, and ignores a lot of players vouching for him). I would go for the more sure thing (Swaggs) than the longshot (grey).

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

If swaggs is innocent it means you all got duped into voting off someone who had given us some previously valuable information

What was it that Swaggs gave us?

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I would be willing to give that serious thought. It might be that Mustang lied to us and Grey mis-read his night action report, but I'm willing to entertain the thought that Grey is lying too. I think they would both need to go, and I don't care too much what order it happens in.

Is it possible that mustang's attack on you was fake? That the chaos put that out there for information purposes? And his real attack was on Alan.?

saldana · 09-04-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

If you pick Swaggs.. he won't die, he will continue on for a second night. If you prolong this out, that means 2 nights of him trying to convert others instead of just one night.

You have to pick him tomorrow too to finish him.

Killing me tonight, you will give him that extra time.

so we have a chaos lord that requires two lyches to kill and has limitless ability to perform conversions, and those converts can attempt a kill every night, plus a 3rd faction of mutants that have completely unknown powers.

if this is even close to correct, this is the most lopsided game i have ever seen

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:15 PM

I must say.. now that I don't have to hide and I know what is going on, I find this insanely humorous at all the paranoia...

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

I must say.. now that I don't have to hide and I know what is going on, I find this insanely humorous at all the paranoia...

How can you know what is going on? You only talked to swaggs once.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

so we have a chaos lord that requires two lyches to kill and has limitless ability to perform conversions, and those converts can attempt a kill every night, plus a 3rd faction of mutants that have completely unknown powers.

if this is even close to correct, this is the most lopsided game i have ever seen

Agreed. If this is the case, I say we all kill tangle after this.

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

so we have a chaos lord that requires two lyches to kill and has limitless ability to perform conversions, and those converts can attempt a kill every night, plus a 3rd faction of mutants that have completely unknown powers.

if this is even close to correct, this is the most lopsided game i have ever seen

I do not believe it is automatic.. he could reach out but, I do not believe that it is automatic.. probably some predetermined % of conversion that may or may not happen.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

What was it that Swaggs gave us?

Swaggs came out vouching for me as a non mutant/non chaos. only person who has so far.

And I wouldn't just isolate yourself from Grey just yet Brian. Right now as far as I am concerned, you two are a pair.

tanglewood · 09-04-2006, 08:17 PM

The inquest into twothree's death does not progress far before AlanT claims that he was attacked the previous night. Saldana soon jumps in firmly confimring the attack and indeed saying that he saw the attacker in a vision, Mustang. But to further complicate the picture, Greyroofoo steps forward and says that he visited Mustang and believes his is now on the side of the Emperor. A tremendous surge of accusations on various parties is only frther fulled when Mustang arrives, corroborates with Greyroofoo's conversion tale and with AlanT's recollection of the attack and then fingers Swaggs as his former master. Opinion is once again perfectly divided and Fouts is called to break another tie, which he does quickly, condemning Mustang to death.

Mustang takes the decision suprisingly well and steps up to the executioner. His final speech is short and to the point "I have commited much wrong in my life. May I make amends for the sins I have commited in life with faith and devotion in death." With that, he gently lays his head on the block, closes his eyes and awaits the executioner's strike. When it is delivered it is swift and suprisingly clean. But before anyone can reach Mustang's body to verify it, his Space Marine robes collapse to the ground, the body is nowhere to be seen. He has simply dissapeared...

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

How can you know what is going on? You only talked to swaggs once.

I mean, with my conversion to good. I know the bad guys.. so, the level of paranoia right now with everyone is high.

I've talked to him the last few nights actually..

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

The inquest into twothree's death does not progress far before AlanT claims that he was attacked the previous night. Saldana soon jumps in firmly confimring the attack and indeed saying that he saw the attacker in a vision, Mustang. But to further complicate the picture, Greyroofoo steps forward and says that he visited Mustang and believes his is now on the side of the Emperor. A tremendous surge of accusations on various parties is only frther fulled when Mustang arrives, corroborates with Greyroofoo's conversion tale and with AlanT's recollection of the attack and then fingers Swaggs as his former master. Opinion is once again perfectly divided and Fouts is called to break another tie, which he does quickly, condemning Mustang to death.

Mustang takes the decision suprisingly well and steps up to the executioner. His final speech is short and to the point "I have commited much wrong in my life. May I make amends for the sins I have commited in life with faith and devotion in death." With that, he gently lays his head on the block, closes his eyes and awaits the executioner's strike. When it is delivered it is swift and suprisingly clean. But before anyone can reach Mustang's body to verify it, his Space Marine robes collapse to the ground, the body is nowhere to be seen. He has simply dissapeared...

Great, the GM is fucking with us.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:18 PM

does this mean Mustang had the ability to avoid a lynching?

I''m confused

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:19 PM

You have chosen... poorly.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 08:19 PM

So mustang was obi won kanobi

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

so we have a chaos lord that requires two lyches to kill and has limitless ability to perform conversions, and those converts can attempt a kill every night, plus a 3rd faction of mutants that have completely unknown powers.

if this is even close to correct, this is the most lopsided game i have ever seen

I'm not sure this is all accurate. Mustang said that he was Chaos but couldn't communicate with anyone. That isn't really a conversion. Mustang is also saying that Swaggs can convert people, so I don't know what to make of that. It doesn't seem consistent. There has only been one extra night attack each of the last few nights so either we have only one conversion (activated Chaos), or they don't get extra night attacks. If Swaggs is a Chaos lord and Mustang isn't on the attack anymore, there shouldn't be any extra kills tonight and we'll just have to hunt down any other converts while we hunt the mutants.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:19 PM

So is Mustang still in the game?

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Swaggs came out vouching for me as a non mutant/non chaos. only person who has so far.

And I wouldn't just isolate yourself from Grey just yet Brian. Right now as far as I am concerned, you two are a pair.

I am fine with us being a pair because I firmly believe that Grey is good and Swaggs is bad. Looks like we didn't get a chance to find out though since Fouts went the safe route and we've got no new info.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:21 PM

Great. That's just screwed up. We essentially learned nothing. Well, we did learn that, since killing Mustang earned us nothing, not killing Swaggs was likely a mistake.

tanglewood · 09-04-2006, 08:21 PM

Night actions are due by 9AM EST

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Night actions are due by 9AM EST

Come on, wtf is going on? So we cannot kill Mustang? Is he still in the game?

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Was that a Chaos death, or was Mustang what he accused Swaggs of being?

Either way, grey is full of it.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Night actions are due by 9AM EST

STOP MESSING WITH OUR HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:23 PM

Was that a Chaos death, or was Mustang what he accused Swaggs of being?

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Great. That's just screwed up. We essentially learned nothing. Well, we did learn that, since killing Mustang earned us nothing, not killing Swaggs was likely a mistake.

Mustang pulls a disappearing act and you still believe the guy? Amazing.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:24 PM

Anxiety didn't die that way, IIRC.

Page 1 says Mustang is a ghost now...ummm, okay...

tanglewood · 09-04-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Come on, wtf is going on? So we cannot kill Mustang? Is he still in the game?

Mustang is dead. He is now a ghost. He can communicate at night only. He cannot vote.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by post 1

Primarch of the Dark Angels - Mustang - Executed Day 5 -- GHOST

This was on the first page.

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

If Swaggs is a Chaos lord and Mustang isn't on the attack anymore, there shouldn't be any extra kills tonight and we'll just have to hunt down any other converts while we hunt the mutants.

There might not be any kills tonight.

I'm fairly certain that it was just me and Anxiety in the beginning. No kills the first night means that Swaggs reached out to Anxiety. 1 kill the second night meant Anxiety probably killed someone and Swaggs reached out.. 2 attempted kills the 3rd night as we didn't reach out to anyone and 2 attempted kills the 4th night as we didn't reach out to anyone. My guess is that he will have to reach out tonight to someone and there will be no kills.

Sorry gents, I think you might be at square one all over again.

By the way.. if you see me floating around at night and still talking.. don't be alarmed.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Either way, grey is full of it.

This doesn't prove Grey wrong. In fact, this is pretty much what he and Mustang told us would happen. Mustang said he was Chaos but is now loyal, and this death could work for a Chaos. This is why I was pushing for a Swaggs lynching since it would actually tell us something.

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:27 PM

It will take 2 kills to kill Swaggs..

I do NOT know what will happen on the first kill.

What I'm fearful of is this.. killing him will release the demon who will possess someone.. Swaggs will be out of the game and someone else will become the lord.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

It will take 2 kills to kill Swaggs..

I do NOT know what will happen on the first kill.

What I'm fearful of is this.. killing him will release the demon who will possess someone.. Swaggs will be out of the game and someone else will become the lord.

I don't think so. How about the first kill makes you a ghost, Chaos Lord.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Mustang pulls a disappearing act and you still believe the guy? Amazing.

Fouts, now it is my turn. I am increasingly getting the vibe you are making things personal with comments like this. Please cease and desist from making any commentaries about me that are essentially insults to my intelligence.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:28 PM

At this point, we deserve to lose. How many times have we gained nothing by not believing anything anybody tells us? At some point we need to trust a big reveal and kill the revealer if we find out he lied.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:28 PM

Mustang, do you have any idea what would happen if Alan T and/or I try to "convert" swaggs?

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Fouts, now it is my turn. I am increasingly getting the vibe you are making things personal with comments like this. Please cease and desist from making any commentaries about me that are essentially insults to my intelligence.

Not at all. I don't even know you. I am talking about the player in the game.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I don't think so. How about the first kill makes you a ghost, Chaos Lord.

I would say that is possible, but it sounds like Mustang is out of the game in terms of the voting process.

TW, can you confirm that we can no longer vote for Mustang?

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I don't think so. How about the first kill makes you a ghost, Chaos Lord.

*L*

Nice try. Unfortunately, if you think I'm the lord and it takes 2 kills to off me.. how are you going to do that during the day when I'm not around?

Hard to kill a ghost.. No?

09-04-2006, 08:10 PM	#2004
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	If you pick Swaggs.. he won't die, he will continue on for a second night. If you prolong this out, that means 2 nights of him trying to convert others instead of just one night. You have to pick him tomorrow too to finish him. Killing me tonight, you will give him that extra time. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-04-2006, 08:15 PM	#2017
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	I must say.. now that I don't have to hide and I know what is going on, I find this insanely humorous at all the paranoia... __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-04-2006, 08:19 PM	#2026
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	You have chosen... poorly. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-04-2006, 08:21 PM	#2031
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Great. That's just screwed up. We essentially learned nothing. Well, we did learn that, since killing Mustang earned us nothing, not killing Swaggs was likely a mistake. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

09-04-2006, 08:24 PM	#2038
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Anxiety didn't die that way, IIRC. Page 1 says Mustang is a ghost now...ummm, okay... __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

09-04-2006, 08:10 PM	#2003
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	if swaggs comes up innocent it probably means mustang is a mutant and I'll vote myself

09-04-2006, 08:10 PM	#2007
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	wow, there is some major timestamp issues

09-04-2006, 08:12 PM	#2008
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Fouts? Why do you think I am bad?

09-04-2006, 08:13 PM	#2010
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	If swaggs is innocent it means you all got duped into voting off someone who had given us some previously valuable information

09-04-2006, 08:13 PM	#2012
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	fouts, don't make the mistake with mustang that you made with bullet

09-04-2006, 08:17 PM	#2022
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	The inquest into twothree's death does not progress far before AlanT claims that he was attacked the previous night. Saldana soon jumps in firmly confimring the attack and indeed saying that he saw the attacker in a vision, Mustang. But to further complicate the picture, Greyroofoo steps forward and says that he visited Mustang and believes his is now on the side of the Emperor. A tremendous surge of accusations on various parties is only frther fulled when Mustang arrives, corroborates with Greyroofoo's conversion tale and with AlanT's recollection of the attack and then fingers Swaggs as his former master. Opinion is once again perfectly divided and Fouts is called to break another tie, which he does quickly, condemning Mustang to death. Mustang takes the decision suprisingly well and steps up to the executioner. His final speech is short and to the point "I have commited much wrong in my life. May I make amends for the sins I have commited in life with faith and devotion in death." With that, he gently lays his head on the block, closes his eyes and awaits the executioner's strike. When it is delivered it is swift and suprisingly clean. But before anyone can reach Mustang's body to verify it, his Space Marine robes collapse to the ground, the body is nowhere to be seen. He has simply dissapeared...

09-04-2006, 08:18 PM	#2025
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	does this mean Mustang had the ability to avoid a lynching? I''m confused

09-04-2006, 08:19 PM	#2027
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So mustang was obi won kanobi

09-04-2006, 08:19 PM	#2029
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	So is Mustang still in the game?

09-04-2006, 08:21 PM	#2032
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Night actions are due by 9AM EST

09-04-2006, 08:23 PM	#2036
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Was that a Chaos death, or was Mustang what he accused Swaggs of being?

09-04-2006, 08:27 PM	#2043
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	It will take 2 kills to kill Swaggs.. I do NOT know what will happen on the first kill. What I'm fearful of is this.. killing him will release the demon who will possess someone.. Swaggs will be out of the game and someone else will become the lord. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-04-2006, 08:28 PM	#2046
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	At this point, we deserve to lose. How many times have we gained nothing by not believing anything anybody tells us? At some point we need to trust a big reveal and kill the revealer if we find out he lied.

09-04-2006, 08:28 PM	#2047
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Mustang, do you have any idea what would happen if Alan T and/or I try to "convert" swaggs?

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