The Trump Presidency – 2016

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The election proved that people supported stopping the further slide into the leftist abyss.

I'm sure that's painful to acknowledge but there's your heavy dose of reality for the day.

Learn it.
Know it.
Live it.

46%

[digamma]

Still haven't figured out why we were going to hell two weeks ago but aren't now.

[Easy Mac]

There was a discussion in the "Random" thread, but this, this is what "keep fucking that chicken" was made for.

[Jas_lov]

Democrats will cave like they always do but they should demand Garland get a hearing and a vote before considering any Trump nominee. The base is who you need to fire up to vote in 2018, not moderates.

[Easy Mac]

Garland's nomination expired

[RainMaker]

Donald Trump's closest advisor Steve Bannon thinks there will be war with China in the next few years | The Independent

[stevew]

A war with China kills all of us basically

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by stevew

A war with China kills all of us basically

How would a war with China kill us?
and if we went to war with China, wouldnt it be good to have Russia as an ally?

[Schmidty]

Meh. Not worth my time.

[Easy Mac]

So superpower war is good now. Thanks!

[JPhillips]

Mr. President, I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed. I do say, no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops! Depending on the breaks.

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[Easy Mac]

So Republicans suspend the rules on cabinet nominations, and it's the Democrats' fault?

I assumed maybe you could find 1-2 Republicans with a spine or a conscience, but I guess not.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

So Republicans suspend the rules on cabinet nominations, and it's the Democrats' fault?

I assumed maybe you could find 1-2 Republicans with a spine or a conscience, but I guess not.

You conveniently left out that no Democrats showed up for the initial vote two days in a row. A bit disingenuous, maybe your source was as well I don't know?

EDIT: To make Larry mad I will add my "They all suck" comment. The Republicans are possibly even worse just get tired of the "OMG the Democrats are getting screwed again" comments in this thread.

[Schmidty]

This thread is a giant circle jerk.

[digamma]

Welcome!

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by tarcone

How would a war with China kill us?
and if we went to war with China, wouldnt it be good to have Russia as an ally?

They have nuclear weapons that could flatten cities.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

This thread is a giant circle jerk.

This your first political thread? I mean its always a big argument that goes nowhere. I like getting in and seeing viewpoints and definitely debating/arguing but I never care that much when people tell me off. The people who are super sensitive and thin skinned don't make sense when they enter the threads and then get so mad they have to quit the board.

EDIT: I started a thread about the Boston marathon bombing a few years ago and how the police seemed heavily militarized and was ragged on by basically everyone for 3 pages. Then Ferguson happened and all of a sudden the liberals came to Jesus that maybe the police are a little too over militarized. It's fun seeing the changes when it fits political narratives.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by panerd

You conveniently left out that no Democrats showed up for the initial vote two days in a row. A bit disingenuous, maybe your source was as well I don't know?

EDIT: To make Larry mad I will add my "They all suck" comment. The Republicans are possibly even worse just get tired of the "OMG the Democrats are getting screwed again" comments in this thread.

They requested more information about people who literally lied in their questioning, and Republicans refused to give them that information. Should they have shown up, sure, but when one side doesn't give a damn about the American ideal of fairness or openness, what does it matter. I just can't believe people are actually cheering a party who for the past 12 months have said rules don't matter, but don't worry, we're going to make America Great Again.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by tarcone

How would a war with China kill us?
and if we went to war with China, wouldnt it be good to have Russia as an ally?

Dear God. You believe that Russia is now an ally to the U.S.?

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Dear God. You believe that Russia is now an ally to the U.S.?

They rigged the election {I don't know how to do strikethrough} of course they are. I can't wait until we help them with those pesky Ukranians.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

They requested more information about people who literally lied in their questioning, and Republicans refused to give them that information. Should they have shown up, sure, but when one side doesn't give a damn about the American ideal of fairness or openness, what does it matter. I just can't believe people are actually cheering a party who for the past 12 months have said rules don't matter, but don't worry, we're going to make America Great Again.

There you go. Again don't mistake me for a fan of Trump. Just straightening your original post up a little.

[Neuqua]

Originally Posted by tarcone

How would a war with China kill us?
and if we went to war with China, wouldnt it be good to have Russia as an ally?

A) Russia wouldn't be an ally
B) Doesn't matter, a great majority of us aren't surviving it.

[RainMaker]

On the upside, the comedy being generated from this is on another level. Here's his remarks at an MLK event for Black History Month this morning.

[molson]

Originally Posted by panerd

EDIT: I started a thread about the Boston marathon bombing a few years ago and how the police seemed heavily militarized and was ragged on by basically everyone for 3 pages. .

If this is "ragging on you" you're a little oversensitive. (And the issue discussed there was more about the concepts of "lockdowns" and whether they're appropriate in a situation like that, and whether Ron Paul's factual claims were even accurate). I think Ferguson involved mostly very different questions than that.
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Ron Paul on Boston bombings - Front Office Football Central

[nol]

This guy makes George W sound like Cicero.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Under different circumstances I'd accept Gorsuch and resist calls for a filibuster, but given what happened last year the Dems should filibuster anybody Trump puts up. That will probably end the SC filibuster, but that will be beneficial in the long run.

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I agree. I want conservative justices on the court, but they should demand Trump re-nominate Garland and refuse to consider anyone else. Blatantly unconstitutional stonewalling can't be rewarded at any cost.

Yep. Agreed 100%.

[albionmoonlight]

The Senate should vote on Gorsuch

The GOP's block of Garland was indefensible.

But that does not mean stooping to their level makes sense.

Besides, from everything I see, Gorsuch is a real conservative, not a Trumpist/Bannonist. Since the GOP is no longer conservative, but is instead the party of Bannon, he might actually serve to help excise the cancer from the body politic. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The Senate should vote on Gorsuch

The GOP's block of Garland was indefensible.

But that does not mean stooping to their level makes sense.

I think what has happened in the last 10 years shows... yes, yes it does. Because the Democrats will say, oh we'll do the right thing, and then the Republican will just pull the same BS again as they did with Garland, saying "it worked the last time; the Democrats are spineless". So playing nice basically means you lose and not just lose, but get your clock cleaned.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by panerd

EDIT: To make Larry mad I will add my "They all suck" comment. The Republicans are possibly even worse just get tired of the "OMG the Democrats are getting screwed again" comments in this thread.

I'm not even sure what this means or why it's supposed to make me mad?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I'm not even sure what this means or why it's supposed to make me mad?

Every time myself or TroyF makes some sort of comment about how the two party system sucks you seem to chime in about how we don't have solutions and think we are above everyone else. Maybe you aren't even aware that you do it?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by panerd

Every time myself or TroyF makes some sort of comment about how the two party system sucks you seem to chime in about how we don't have solutions and think we are above everyone else. Maybe you aren't even aware that you do it?

My issue with Troy was that twice he talked about some middle ground without defining it and he invented an argument (just let people come in without vetting) that doesn't exist, so he could insert himself in the middle.

My issue with you has been that (like Buc, who came in hear to argue that liberals should nominate conservative justices and conservatives should nominate conservative justices) you act above the two party system, while repeatedly attacking one side. So I'm not sure why "they all suck" specifically would make me mad, because my bigger issue with your post would have been everything but the "they all suck" part. And really none of it makes me "mad". If I'm "mad" about anything, it's what Trump, Bannon, et al are doing to the country, but I guess I have to find a conservative dominated board to talk about that or else I'll be contributing to the circle jerk.

[JPhillips]

Trump on Frederick Douglass:

"someone who has done a terrific job that is being recognized by more and more people"

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump on Frederick Douglass:

Like I said, the comedy that we are getting is priceless. The Onion is now reality.

[larrymcg421]

Collins and Murkowski have said they will vote no on DeVos. Need one more.

[Easy Mac]

I assume they're just pretending to get Democrats hopes up.

[nol]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I assume they're just pretending to get Democrats hopes up.

Yeah, there's no way an Alaskan senator is going to vote no on the first Secretary of Education who's ever promised to keep kids safe from bear attacks.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

If I'm "mad" about anything, it's what Trump, Bannon, et al are doing to the country

Now, maybe, you start to understand how people with the sense God gave a goose feel about the past eight years.

Difference being that we've got enough sense to finish off the left with any & every means at our disposal.

You had your shot, you fucked it up.
We won't let it happen again.

[digamma]

God Bless America, one and all.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now, maybe, you start to understand how people with the sense God gave a goose feel about the past eight years.

Difference being that we've got enough sense to finish off the left with any & every means at our disposal.

You had your shot, you fucked it up.
We won't let it happen again.

Was it the private sector job growth that pissed you off so much? Or the prevention of another 9/11-style terrorist event?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Was it the private sector job growth that pissed you off so much? Or the prevention of another 9/11-style terrorist event?

The insane levels of government intrusion, the asinine pandering to the utter lunatics in the social sphere, the lack of character or wisdom from virtually top to bottom. The era of "safe space" tyranny is ending, and not a moment too soon.

I'm not sure that it's come soon enough frankly, so don't interpret an overly optimistic tone in my words. But at least now, for the first time in a number of years, there's a faint glimmer of hope.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now, maybe, you start to understand how people with the sense God gave a goose feel about the past eight years.

Difference being that we've got enough sense to finish off the left with any & every means at our disposal.

You had your shot, you fucked it up.
We won't let it happen again.

Meh. At worst, things will be screwed up for a few years. It will be quite damaging and upset me greatly. But I take solace in the fact that people like you are the past. There is literally nothing you can do to stop social progress.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

My issue with you has been that (like Buc, who came in hear to argue that liberals should nominate conservative justices and conservatives should nominate conservative justices) you act above the two party system, while repeatedly attacking one side. So I'm not sure why "they all suck" specifically would make me mad, because my bigger issue with your post would have been everything but the "they all suck" part. And really none of it makes me "mad". If I'm "mad" about anything, it's what Trump, Bannon, et al are doing to the country, but I guess I have to find a conservative dominated board to talk about that or else I'll be contributing to the circle jerk.

That's probably why you think I attack liberals more. This board (or at least the political threads) are mostly liberals so I tend to seem to disagree with them more. Believe me I don't agree with JoninMGA, Tarcone, MBBF, Dutch etc either. The first two don't even offer much to discuss of substance so I rarely address their arguments. (Though when Tarcone was briefly a fan of Gary Johnson I did find it a little puzzling) But I think Trump is a worthless man and will likely be a worthless president and for the most part found Obama and Bush's presidency's palpable. However I also don't think the world is coming to an end with Trump and am amused that a lot of his political tricks come right out of Obama's playbook and the liberal posters and media just choose to ignore them and talk about how Trump is some sort of imperial president. He just thinks he has a mandate much like Obama did back in 2008. Once 2018 rolls around Trump and the GOP Congress will find they had no mandate at all. Rinse, repeat arguments the other way.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The insane levels of government intrusion, the asinine pandering to the utter lunatics in the social sphere, the lack of character or wisdom from virtually top to bottom. The era of "safe space" tyranny is ending, and not a moment too soon.

I'm not sure that it's come soon enough frankly, so don't interpret an overly optimistic tone in my words. But at least now, for the first time in a number of years, there's a faint glimmer of hope.

That makes sense. I get that you are upset by the social/cultural changes that have been going on. But those issues seem to have less to do with the leadership in the government than with people's attitudes.

People aren't going to be more/less tolerant of homosexuality or the bible or guns or abortion because Trump is President or because Obama was President or if Hillary had been President.

It seems that the issues about which you are upset can only be affected at the margins by political leadership.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

the lack of character or wisdom from virtually top to bottom.

[ISiddiqui]

Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to be the ones far more interested in their own 'safe spaces' these days, while decrying their existence?

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by digamma

No, no, character is what people do when they insult minorities and sexually harass women. Don't you even remember when America was great?

And wisdom, I mean is there anything better than a Trump speech. It's like he's got 32 wisdom teeth, and he just can't get them out of the way to put together a cogent sentence.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to be the ones far more interested in their own 'safe spaces' these days, while decrying their existence?

Response from somone in a FB thread who objected to having a trans man in the workplace:

It's my business if a woman who thinks she's a man wants to work at my place of employment and I find her mental illness problematic.

Yes I am uncomfortable being forced to indulge someone else's delusions. People can live however they like, just leave me out of it.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to be the ones far more interested in their own 'safe spaces' these days, while decrying their existence?

Not too long ago, Jon said he wanted liberal ideas to be outlawed. He literally wants the entire country turned into his own personal safe space.

EDIT: This was the post I was thinking of: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...postcount=1066

And he doesn't explicitly say he wants it outlawed, but does want it to "become extinct".

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

(like Buc, who came in hear to argue that liberals should nominate conservative justices and conservatives should nominate conservative justices) .

The first part of my point was that if Obama wanted to get another judge on the bench, he would have had to submit a conservative jurist that would have been passed by a partisan Republican Senate. Whether that's fair or not, it's today's reality.

As far as the second part: to have a strong majority that would invalidate the appalling and regressive federal sanctioning of killing unborn children...yes.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

The first part of my point was that if Obama wanted to get another judge on the bench, he would have had to submit a conservative jurist that would have been passed by a partisan Republican Senate. Whether that's fair or not, it's today's reality.

As far as the second part: to have a strong majority that would invalidate the appalling and regressive federal sanctioning of killing unborn children...yes.

Obama did submit a fairly conservative jurist. If he had submitted a liberal judge then the Republicans would've simply voted him down instead of just obstructing.