Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Schmidty]

Interesting.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I am Michael, I am just like you guys.

So, Michael or a simple survivor?

Without giving much away, I would suggest you clarify and, if you are Michael, share what you know.

[Schmidty]

PackerFanatic is looking really bad to me, although if he isn't Michael, wouldn't the real one call him out on it, since it would be obvious that he is an Other?

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

So, Michael or a simple survivor?

Without giving much away, I would suggest you clarify and, if you are Michael, share what you know.

So far all "simple survivors" have not been named. So I'm not buying this much. The amount of roles in this game are less than the amount of characters on the show. So it is likely that Michael is not even a "role" in this game.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[path12]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

PackerFanatic is looking really bad to me, although if he isn't Michael, wouldn't the real one call him out on it, since it would be obvious that he is an Other?

What kind of powers might Michael have? In my limited knowledge all I know is that he's Walt's dad, and that he helped build the raft.

I've been looking over Desnudo's vote list and was wondering if anyone else finds strange the voting for Celeval and Saldana -- day 1 they both voted Alan (when there wasn't really much movement that way). Seems to me that could be positioning against later suspicion......then they both voted survivors or suspected survivors depending on your view on Desnudo.

[Celeval]

Jumping on to catch up before heading to dinner, will be back before vote time.

I voted for Alan on Day 1 because I didn't have a feel for anyone, and didn't want my vote to be a deciding factor on the first day of my first game. Plus, I've known Alan for a while, outside of FOFC as well; so felt comfortable that voting for him wouldn't tick him off.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by path12

What kind of powers might Michael have? In my limited knowledge all I know is that he's Walt's dad, and that he helped build the raft.

I've been looking over Desnudo's vote list and was wondering if anyone else finds strange the voting for Celeval and Saldana -- day 1 they both voted Alan (when there wasn't really much movement that way). Seems to me that could be positioning against later suspicion......then they both voted survivors or suspected survivors depending on your view on Desnudo.

I am not sure what the in-game skills could be, but on the show he has building, artistic, and some computer skills. Another thought could be that he is partnered with a Walt role somehow.

[PackerFanatic]

I am Michael and sadly, I don't know anything. I would share anything I knew with you guys.

[Poli]

If any of you know someone that would like to take Spleen's spot, please let me know. We've currently exhausted our alternates list.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

If any of you know someone that would like to take Spleen's spot, please let me know. We've currently exhausted our alternates list.

I will!!


In other thoughts, am I the only person who hasnt seen this show but is now thinking about watching an episode or two just to put all these names to actors?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So far all "simple survivors" have not been named. So I'm not buying this much. The amount of roles in this game are less than the amount of characters on the show. So it is likely that Michael is not even a "role" in this game.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

With my trust in Penny now pretty much solidified, I can only conclude that 100% survivors voted for you on day 1. With no other votes on you, I also conclude that you are an other.

VOTE KINGFC22

[Desnudo]

If you rent one dvd, you will end up watching them all.

[Desmond]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I am not sure what the in-game skills could be, but on the show he has building, artistic, and some computer skills. Another thought could be that he is partnered with a Walt role somehow.

Is it possible that Blade is Walt since he's gone missing? It would mean that maybe he had some sort of "vision" abilities, but isn't that the seer?

[Desmond]

Im gonna be on all evening, but right now i guess i'd cast my

Vote kingfc22

[path12]

Originally Posted by Desmond

Is it possible that Blade is Walt since he's gone missing? It would mean that maybe he had some sort of "vision" abilities, but isn't that the seer?

I thought he said he was the black smoke/security system. Not that I really understand that (or trust anything Blade said at this point).....

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Desmond

Is it possible that Blade is Walt since he's gone missing? It would mean that maybe he had some sort of "vision" abilities, but isn't that the seer?

I tend to believe that Blade was the Black Smoke/security system, since he said that he received a PM from Ardent clarifying the terminology. It would probably be against the spirit of the game to lie about that.

[path12]

Bearcat, I've seen you in the thread quite a bit -- what are your thoughts?

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by path12

Bearcat, I've seen you in the thread quite a bit -- what are your thoughts?

My thoughts are totally random. I'm not sure where to do with my vote tonight, but Packerfanatic coming out that quickly with his identity with no real reason is raising a red flag. I'm not sure if I would cast a vote for King just yet, I don't trust anyone who is still alive besides Sun (And I only trust him because he has been proven to be a survivor), but I'm not sold on the argument that he is an other just off the first vote.

[PackerFanatic]

I am beginning to lead toward king too...

VOTE KINGFC22

[PackerFanatic]

And again, to answer bearcat's query, I didn't want to be lumped in with "the quiet folk" That is why I came out saying who I was.

[SnDvls]

it would be intersting to see what would happen if I moved my vote....hmmm

[SnDvls]

unvote KING

[Raiders Army]

crap....too much of a pile on

I'm thinking I need to switch my vote then.

[path12]

VOTE SALDANA

I don't like the quick jump to King.

[Swaggs]

Anyone keeping a vote count or did we kill everyone that did that?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone keeping a vote count or did we kill everyone that did that?

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone keeping a vote count or did we kill everyone that did that?

Bush
(Incumbent)
62,040,606

Kerry
59,028,109

Nader
411,304

[path12]

BTW, just to explain why Saldana:

1) Voted Alan day 1 with Celeval when Alan not really in danger yet, looks like a good cover your ass vote.
2) Voted mckerney
3) Quieter than I remember from past games
4) Sun doesn't trust him and Sun is my only confirmed survivor except for me.
5) He's always under suspicion!

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by path12

BTW, just to explain why Saldana:

1) Voted Alan day 1 with Celeval when Alan not really in danger yet, looks like a good cover your ass vote.
2) Voted mckerney
3) Quieter than I remember from past games
4) Sun doesn't trust him and Sun is my only confirmed survivor except for me.
5) He's always under suspicion!

I agree with you and am planning to hold my vote on him. I think that Saldana or King are both as good of choices as anyone at this point.

I am a little disturbed that King isn't lobbying to save himself a little bit more, though.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

crap....too much of a pile on

I'm thinking I need to switch my vote then.

?

You are really arousing my suspicion RA.

[saldana]

Path, if you bothered to go back and look at why i voted for Alan on day 1, it was because he PK'ed me last game and i owed him one...anyone that has played a number of these games with me knows that i jokingly hold grudges from game to game (see neverending feud with dubb)

i agree with Schmidty, and have since the very beginning, that once the "simple survivor" line showed up, anyone could stated the same thing. i really dont see the extra significance of it...hell i put that i was a villager checking in, does that mean i am not in the right game? no it just means i used a different phrase.


i am leaving my vote on raiders. he has been on my list for a while. i would love to see someone actually bring evidence forward against me...i love when people just vote with nothing to back them up. (i posted my raiders evidence on day 2, in case anyone cares)

I will be in and out between now and the deadline.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by path12

BTW, just to explain why Saldana:

1) Voted Alan day 1 with Celeval when Alan not really in danger yet, looks like a good cover your ass vote.
2) Voted mckerney
3) Quieter than I remember from past games
4) Sun doesn't trust him and Sun is my only confirmed survivor except for me.
5) He's always under suspicion!

i was posting my other message and didnt see this one

1) already explained that, my reasoning is as good as anyone who picked a random number. and actually, if you go back to last game's thread, i promised Alan i would be voting for him on day 1, and that was about 6 days before roles for this game went out.
2) already explained this too, I thought blade was full of BS, and his I am all powerful, but couldnt kill Mckerney was a great ploy to cover a wolf for the whole game, plus the "always" logic was stupid, IMO as a reason to vote Desnudo
3) my daughters nanny had a baby on Saturday, and i have had to watch my 19 month old all day, and then work all night, hence less time to post. if you noticed, i always post when i am gonna be around and when i am not. the logic here is great though, i am too quiet, but you have about 20 posts in the whole thread, bearcat has a dozen, and schmidty is is usual nearly silent self. if i were an other, which i am not, do you think i would make such an obvious change in my playing style...thats pretty dumb on my part
4) sun is the only 100% lock as a good guy we have, but i would still like to hear the basis of his suspicions
5) this is the only thing you said that is right, except you left out the part about those suspicions usually being wrong.

[saldana]

double dola, does anyone have a vote count???

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

?

You are really arousing my suspicion RA.

How is that? You don't find it's somewhat of a pile on? I didn't switch my vote, I was just saying...

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

double

I know you still only had one use for us.

[Desmond]

Man, Im having a hard time computing all of this.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I am a little disturbed that King isn't lobbying to save himself a little bit more, though.

What do you want me to say? Everyone is still just following Blade even though he is apparently dead.

He said he had an 80% chance to survive an attack. How would he know that? I've never seen a role given out in a WW game that stated your chance of surviving a night attack.

He also said he got to choose what side he was on. BS, I'm going with the theory that he had no allegiance to either side just like the show and would win if he got it down to a 1:1:1 ratio.

He also made everyone believe that Desnudo was bad, but according to the night report it looks like he was just a "simple survivor".

And how is he so certain in regards to RA? I know I am a survivor and right now I'm leaning more towards penny being one as well over RA.

The reason I voted for Packer today over RA is that every named role so far looks to have had a role and those that were just survivors (hoops/desnudo) had no tie with the TV show. If Packer is really Michael, then I don't think he could have a "simple survivor" role like he claims.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by saldana

4) sun is the only 100% lock as a good guy we have, but i would still like to hear the basis of his suspicions

relly the same suspicion I had for Alan...a hunch and gut feeling of how you are playing now vs. other games. I know we all have our quiet days and that isn't why I was picking you. I do feel there are better options for today that could clear another survivor though.

[path12]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

relly the same suspicion I had for Alan...a hunch and gut feeling of how you are playing now vs. other games. I know we all have our quiet days and that isn't why I was picking you. I do feel there are better options for today that could clear another survivor though.

Sun, what are your thoughts on Bearcat?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I do feel there are better options for today that could clear another survivor though.

WELL THEN VOTE FOR ONE OF THEM!!!

seriously, you have played enough of these with me to hopefully not think i would be dumb enough to do that. i explained why i havent been posting as much this game, which you can choose to believe or not, but other than my less than normal posting numbers, i have done exactly what i always do, try to employ as much logic as possible in my choices, and if you look at my votes and my posts, i have done exactly that....i will also point out that hoops asked me why i switched to Mckerney, and i said then and say again now, that it wasnt so much a vote for mckerney, but a vote for blade, who i did not trust at the time. the only other thing i can say is that i obviously trust you, i have never seen a bad guy duke, so if you have a better option, vote it, because killing me tonight is going to get us nowhere in terms of winning this game.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by path12

Sun, what are your thoughts on Bearcat?

I don't really have a read on him. Hasn't said or done much. I've only played one other WW game w/ him too.

do you have a run down on the players you wish to share?

[SnDvls]

dola - never mind I have yours

[SnDvls]

something about Celeval doesn't sit right with me as I relook at voting paterns.

[saldana]

dola....NO ONE has a vote count?

[path12]

Originally Posted by saldana

i was posting my other message and didnt see this one

1) already explained that, my reasoning is as good as anyone who picked a random number. and actually, if you go back to last game's thread, i promised Alan i would be voting for him on day 1, and that was about 6 days before roles for this game went out.
2) already explained this too, I thought blade was full of BS, and his I am all powerful, but couldnt kill Mckerney was a great ploy to cover a wolf for the whole game, plus the "always" logic was stupid, IMO as a reason to vote Desnudo
3) my daughters nanny had a baby on Saturday, and i have had to watch my 19 month old all day, and then work all night, hence less time to post. if you noticed, i always post when i am gonna be around and when i am not. the logic here is great though, i am too quiet, but you have about 20 posts in the whole thread, bearcat has a dozen, and schmidty is is usual nearly silent self. if i were an other, which i am not, do you think i would make such an obvious change in my playing style...thats pretty dumb on my part
4) sun is the only 100% lock as a good guy we have, but i would still like to hear the basis of his suspicions
5) this is the only thing you said that is right, except you left out the part about those suspicions usually being wrong.

1) I know that you said you were going to, but it's still a fact that Alan was bad and that it would be a good vote to hide behind. Especially since you had telegraphed that way end of last game.
2) I can't counter you here, I wasn't in the game yet and haven't examined that vote too closely.
3) Again, I came in late and tend to be fairly quiet anyway. And I have big suspicions about Bearcat, but nobody else seems to have him on their list
4) Sun answered that.
5) Sometimes, not always.

[path12]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I don't really have a read on him. Hasn't said or done much. I've only played one other WW game w/ him too.

do you have a run down on the players you wish to share?

I've got so little to go on. I've really noticed a difference coming in late, plus the hidden roles.

The most suspicious to me are Bearcat, Celeval and Saldana, based almost solely on voting patterns (though with only two real votes, one if you discount day 1, it's not real clear). My gut says Schmidty is all right, and I don't know what to think about Raiders and King.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

The reason I voted for Packer today over RA is that every named role so far looks to have had a role and those that were just survivors (hoops/desnudo) had no tie with the TV show. If Packer is really Michael, then I don't think he could have a "simple survivor" role like he claims.

Unvote Kingfc22

I agree with King on this. Packer put himself smack dab in the middle of my radar today with his earlier posts. Plus, it seems as though all the named players at this point had special abilities, so for Packer to get an actual character's part, but not be given a special ability, I find that pretty fishy.

[path12]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Unvote Kingfc22

I agree with King on this. Packer put himself smack dab in the middle of my radar today with his earlier posts. Plus, it seems as though all the named players at this point had special abilities, so for Packer to get an actual character's part, but not be given a special ability, I find that pretty fishy.

Meant to add Packer to my above post. This whole thing is just weird.

[path12]

Gotta go for now -- hope to be back sometime before the vote. I'll leave it where it is for now.

[pennywisesb]

Sun, do you have any analysis of the Packer situation? Do you think he slipped up, or did he just make a noob mistake?