Werewolf XXIX: Spawn II Game Over! Post 2533 - Page 40

path12 · 07-17-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rules

Shellback Has the status "Unwoundable".

Being the only uninjured member of the mission is the only argument I can see against Dubb. I'm not sure it's enough for me.

kingfc22 · 07-17-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Being the only uninjured member of the mission is the only argument I can see against Dubb. I'm not sure it's enough for me.

That is a spawn trait.

Fouts · 07-17-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Hey Fouts, have you mentioned your progress in your lab? What's going on?

If I missed it, just let me know.

Nothing yet. It doesn't surprise me though, as I have been dragged off to planetside missions the last 2 days.

Swaggs · 07-17-2006, 08:06 PM

Vote Dubb

As I said earlier, I think being exhausted and not getting wounded makes him the best candidate.

Swaggs · 07-17-2006, 08:06 PM

Would it be a good idea for CW and SnDvls to be in the brig, with Alan guarding it tonight?

path12 · 07-17-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

That is a spawn trait.

Yeah, but -- and you guys who went on the mission can answer this better than I -- how odd is it that he wasn't wounded in that battle. Was there some description that makes you think there's no way he couldn't have been hurt, or is it more along the lines of just because the battle was so fierce and everyone else was hurt that you assume he must have been. That's my question in a real long-assed roundabout way.

path12 · 07-17-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Nothing yet. It doesn't surprise me though, as I have been dragged off to planetside missions the last 2 days.

OK. You mentioned earlier that you had some thoughts you wanted to put out there after the mission. I was curious about those.

dubb93 · 07-17-2006, 08:11 PM

Wow, everyone throwing votes towards me. What the heck have I done to deserve them? I told you guys that this attack wouldn't work, here is what happened.

When we got in the cave, things started getting really brutal. Schmidty issued an order for retreat, but I had no part of it, insisting that we continue with the mission. The mission could have really used another officer worth a shit as we got to the spawn overlord. I really kicked the shit out of it, but Schmidty issued a final retreat order. As I looked around, I saw that everyone else was injuried, so I stopped attacking the overlord and helped everyone back to the ship. With that said, I'm now 100% sure that the overlord can't withstand annother attack.

As for spawn on the mission, I think we have 2. Schmidty and Talgian. Infact, that ony reason I protected SNDVLS last night, is b/c we are in trouble if Talgian gets to be #1, I've had a bad feeling about him for a while.

dubb93 · 07-17-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Vote Dubb

As I said earlier, I think being exhausted and not getting wounded makes him the best candidate.

I'm exhausted b/c I protected SNDVLS last night.

Swaggs · 07-17-2006, 08:12 PM

To me, it seemed significant that he was not hurt. It could be a trick.

kingfc22 · 07-17-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Would it be a good idea for CW and SnDvls to be in the brig, with Alan guarding it tonight?

Alan does not have any night AP's. Schmidty has to guard the enigine room because nobody else can.

kingfc22 · 07-17-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Schmidty has to guard the enigine room because nobody else can.

That is if dubb dies today. If not, then either of them could protect the engine room.

dubb93 · 07-17-2006, 08:16 PM

So, when looking for a spawn today why pick me over Schmidty? DIdn't Schmidty "protect" the engine room last night? And what exactly happened to the engine room last night?

VOTE SCHMIDTY

dubb93 · 07-17-2006, 08:22 PM

Well, I'm off to work, don't lynch me. I have the abilites to protect at night, spy at night, and hand out phasers during the day(when Talgian doesn't send me on missions). And I've used them to the best of my abilities to help the team thus far. Think it through.

SnDvls · 07-17-2006, 08:27 PM

Talgian - what did you send to BK for the mission today?

Fouts · 07-17-2006, 08:30 PM

Protected SnDvls? I don't buy it. Plus I haven't seen anything to make me question Talgian. Add in the result of the battle.

Vote Dubb

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 08:31 PM

Sorry guys, my internet is acting shaky, so I'm making this post now, but it may be my last until lynch.

So, unless something changes,

Vote Dubb

Sndvls, my exact wording was:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talgian

Title: Away Mission

Type: Overlord

Members: SnDvls, Talgian, Schmidty, Swagg, Dubb.

-Talgian

BK even had to ask me if I was just planning it or sending it out. It was very sparse. Dubb, nothing in my mission report says you stood out as particularly stalwart.

-Talgian

SnDvls · 07-17-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Talgian

Sorry guys, my internet is acting shaky, so I'm making this post now, but it may be my last until lynch.

So, unless something changes,

Vote Dubb

Sndvls, my exact wording was:
BK even had to ask me if I was just planning it or sending it out. It was very sparse. Dubb, nothing in my mission report says you stood out as particularly stalwart.

-Talgian

so what did you do in response to BK?

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 08:33 PM

I said I was sending it.

-Talgian

Qwikshot · 07-17-2006, 08:33 PM

I'll go with the flow as I have no other leads...

Vote Dubb

SnDvls · 07-17-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Talgian

I said I was sending it.

-Talgian

so you didn't plan it?

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 08:37 PM

I rather thought I did. If not, it was a miscommunication. BK and I talked verbally, amd I remember his question as, "Are you just planning it now, or also sending it?" To which I responded, "I'm sending it."

-Talgian

SnDvls · 07-17-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Talgian

I rather thought I did. If not, it was a miscommunication. BK and I talked verbally, amd I remember his question as, "Are you just planning it now, or also sending it?" To which I responded, "I'm sending it."

-Talgian

so is it your thought that you have AP left?

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

so is it your thought that you have AP left?

No.

Planning an away mission is an AP, going on it is another. That'd be both of mine.

-Talgian

Abe Sargent · 07-17-2006, 08:42 PM

Voting Dubb is silly. There are three secarios I can come up with under which Dubb is a spawn:

1). Dubb was a spawn and still handed us two spawn. This makes so sense. It's not worth sacrifcing two of your own early in the game just to get a few days of good faith.

2). Dubb is a secret spawn and doesn't know that he is a spawn. Do you guys honestly see a guy who doesn't know he's a spawn but still acts it? I certanly don't see those signs.

3). Dubb has been recently converted. This is, I think, what you have to hang your hat on. However, any of us could have been recently converted, and I see no reason to test Dubb when there are more ways Schmidty could be a spawn than Dubb.

Occam's Razor here folks. Who is more likely to be the bad guy - the one who handed us TWO bad guys on a plate or the guy who failed to guard AND wanted to retreat from a mission before it began?

-Anxiety

SnDvls · 07-17-2006, 08:46 PM

15 mins left correct?

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 08:48 PM

45. It's at 10:30 EST, not 10.

-Talgian

path12 · 07-17-2006, 08:48 PM

[quote=Swaggs]It seems like I tried my best, but it was really rough going during the fight. We tried to go after the Overlord, all at once, but I got hurt pretty badly. I am not afraid to admit that I was a little bit scared, as it was an experience unlike any I have ever had, but I kept fighting and fighting until ordered to retreat. I find it hard to fathom how dubb came out of the battle uninjured. My gut tells me that we have little to no chance of ever defeating the Overlord. [\QUOTE]

[quote=SnDvls]It was tough from the get go. Schmidty wanted to stop and pull out, however we as a group decided to forge ahead. It seemed to me that everyone was “trying” but it wasn’t working well. We did reach the Overlord’s lair, but as we all rushed the Overlord I or we felt a great stinging. I heard everyone else struggling too. Instead of turning it into a suicide mission we decided to retreat. Everyone but dubb was injured.[\QUOTE]

[quote=dubb93]When we got in the cave, things started getting really brutal. Schmidty issued an order for retreat, but I had no part of it, insisting that we continue with the mission. The mission could have really used another officer worth a shit as we got to the spawn overlord. I really kicked the shit out of it, but Schmidty issued a final retreat order. As I looked around, I saw that everyone else was injuried, so I stopped attacking the overlord and helped everyone back to the ship. With that said, I'm now 100% sure that the overlord can't withstand annother attack.[\QUOTE]

[quote=Schmidty]Well, from the PM I got, we did a pretty shitty job. Wasting two away missions with nothing to show for it is pretty painful. Hopefully we at least hurt the OL, because it's obvious that we need to concentrate on other routes from now on. At the same time, who knows exactly how damaged the OL is.

Also, I think it's odd that dubb came out unscathed from a battle that, according to my PM, was brutal for us.

Having said all that, I don't know what the hell to do.[\QUOTE]

[quote=Talgian]Well, my PM said it was tough fighting from the get go, but I in particular had an interesting experience.

Someone attacked me. Someone who isn't the overlord (or at least somone who I don't think is the overlord). I also felt that the overlord could have been beaten, but we had to retreat due to mass wounding.

So the real question is who is the traitor amongst us? I don't think it's sndvls. I notice that schmidty never fired his phaser, and that dubb is the only one who wasn't wounded. Strange times.[\QUOTE]

Two of these sound very different to me than the others. I think Schmidty is bad. Do NOT have him guard the engine room if he isn't lynched.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

path12 · 07-17-2006, 08:49 PM

Dammit, messed up the quotes. My bad.

SnDvls · 07-17-2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talgian

45. It's at 10:30 EST, not 10.

-Talgian

OOC: okay thanks..I have to give my daugher a bath and want to back in case I need to "fix" anything

path12 · 07-17-2006, 08:52 PM

By the way, I think Talgian is bad also. I'd switch my vote in a heartbeat if I thought it mattered.

Coffee Warlord · 07-17-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

By the way, I think Talgian is bad also. I'd switch my vote in a heartbeat if I thought it mattered.

By the way, I suspect him and have suspected him. He's tomorrow's issue I think, though.

kingfc22 · 07-17-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

By the way, I think Talgian is bad also.

Yea. Right now my trio of least trust is Talgian, Dubb and Schmidty.

Coffee Warlord · 07-17-2006, 09:02 PM

Unvote Dubb

Vote Schmidty

This is almost as much voting against who Talg voted for as anything. There's evidence for both.

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

This is almost as much voting against who Talg voted for as anything. There's evidence for both.

I also advocated putting you in the brig with Sndvls. Do you not trust the captain, then?

-Talgian

kingfc22 · 07-17-2006, 09:04 PM

Anyone have a vote count?

Alan T · 07-17-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Even if you don't have your thoughts fully developed on this, I'd like to hear what you're thinking. The Dubb/Schmidty angle seems too obvious to me. We have to think Dubb at least started out good because of giving us TWO spawn (one I could see, two is just ultra ballsy so possible, but I've gotta think unlikely). And as we've talked about the Schmidty angle smells of a frame-up.

That leaves Raiders.

Talgian......ah, Talgian. Has pushed, poked and prodded for the issues he feels to be most important, then, when some mistrust of his motives was thrown out there dialed it way back and is far more passive now. Actions have seemed to be mostly for the good of the crew, with some real odd tangents thrown in. (killing the slaves and whatever that other 'controversy' was a couple days back).

But I'm not sure why you connect the two.

I had them further developed in my head, just didnt go much down the path here because I didnt want to get us away from what I think today should be about. I am fairly confident that either Schmidty or Dubbs is a bad guy.

We need to lynch one of them, we can't have both go unlynched because of apathy or split voting. My reasoning was that there had to be a traitor on the away mission based on what people said. Either Talgian, Dubbs or Schmidty is this traitor. Likewise a spawn had to have been responsible for the engine room damage last night, the only three exhausted people were Dubb, Schmidty and Raiders...

That is why I grouped them as I did.. Dubbs and Schmidty make both groups.. I think one of the two have to be bad... The reason I added the second part was there is a possibility that neither is bad and there is a setup here somewhere. But for that to be possible 1) Talgian had to have lied about his PM and 2) Raiders sabotaged the engines.. neither one of them were in both places, so couldn't have done it all on their own.

That is why I grouped the two as I did.. (also I noted if Dubbs and/or Schmidty are bad it does not necessarily mean Raiders or Talgian are good, but I just don't have a smoking gun any longer to point their way. )

Coffee Warlord · 07-17-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Talgian

I also advocated putting you in the brig with Sndvls. Do you not trust the captain, then?

-Talgian

Honestly, I think you'da been nuts had you advocated NOT putting me in the brig. I like to think most people have me on the up and up at this point.

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 09:06 PM

For the record, I voted for dubb because I think his being the only person to come out of battle unscathed is more suspicious than Schmidty, who didn't, and because he seemed to be getting more votes anyway.

-Talgian

kingfc22 · 07-17-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Honestly, I think you'da been nuts had you advocated NOT putting me in the brig. I like to think most people have me on the up and up at this point.

Do Talgian or Alan have AP left?

Swaggs · 07-17-2006, 09:08 PM

I'm even more curious about Dubb now, because the report I received from the away message was much different than the one he is portraying. Did anyone else get anything indicating that we were anywhere close to being able to defeat the Overlord?

Alan T · 07-17-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Do Talgian or Alan have AP left?

I have AP left. I am planning on using it to promote someone however. Why?

Swaggs · 07-17-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm even more curious about Dubb now, because the report I received from the away message was much different than the one he is portraying. Did anyone else get anything indicating that we were anywhere close to being able to defeat the Overlord?

Should say away mission.

Alan T · 07-17-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm even more curious about Dubb now, because the report I received from the away message was much different than the one he is portraying. Did anyone else get anything indicating that we were anywhere close to being able to defeat the Overlord?

That happened yesterday too. I'm not sure what to make of it. Anxiety, King and I all had similar messages saying we hurt the Overlord badly and one more attack could do the trick, But Dubb said his mentioned we didnt hurt him at all and any further attacking wouldnt be useful.

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Do Talgian or Alan have AP left?

I don't believe I do between planning the mission and going on it.

Swaggs, my PM says I think we could have overcome the overlord, but we got pulled back because of all the wounded.

-Talgian

Alan T · 07-17-2006, 09:12 PM

Sent in a PM to BK. Not saying who I am promoting and to what.

Swaggs · 07-17-2006, 09:14 PM

I am getting thrown off because the evidence seems too great against Dubb with that recount of the mission.

My apparent thought, as we were leaving the cave, was that the Overlord was way too strong and that I felt hopeless about our chances of ever being able to kill it.

Swaggs · 07-17-2006, 09:14 PM

Talgian, did you get the stinging feeling, as well?

kingfc22 · 07-17-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I have AP left. I am planning on using it to promote someone however. Why?

Want to make sure that I don't get "ordered" to put people in the brig that I don't want to.

Talgian · 07-17-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Talgian, did you get the stinging feeling, as well?

No, I was getting pummeled in the face.

-Talgian

07-17-2006, 08:06 PM	#1954
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Vote Dubb As I said earlier, I think being exhausted and not getting wounded makes him the best candidate. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-17-2006, 08:06 PM	#1955
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Would it be a good idea for CW and SnDvls to be in the brig, with Alan guarding it tonight? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-17-2006, 08:12 PM	#1960
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	To me, it seemed significant that he was not hurt. It could be a trick. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-17-2006, 08:33 PM	#1970
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	I'll go with the flow as I have no other leads... Vote Dubb __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

07-17-2006, 08:42 PM	#1975
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Voting Dubb is silly. There are three secarios I can come up with under which Dubb is a spawn: 1). Dubb was a spawn and still handed us two spawn. This makes so sense. It's not worth sacrifcing two of your own early in the game just to get a few days of good faith. 2). Dubb is a secret spawn and doesn't know that he is a spawn. Do you guys honestly see a guy who doesn't know he's a spawn but still acts it? I certanly don't see those signs. 3). Dubb has been recently converted. This is, I think, what you have to hang your hat on. However, any of us could have been recently converted, and I see no reason to test Dubb when there are more ways Schmidty could be a spawn than Dubb. Occam's Razor here folks. Who is more likely to be the bad guy - the one who handed us TWO bad guys on a plate or the guy who failed to guard AND wanted to retreat from a mission before it began? -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-17-2006, 08:27 PM	#1965
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Talgian - what did you send to BK for the mission today?

07-17-2006, 08:30 PM	#1966
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Protected SnDvls? I don't buy it. Plus I haven't seen anything to make me question Talgian. Add in the result of the battle. Vote Dubb

07-17-2006, 08:33 PM	#1969
Talgian H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jul 2006	I said I was sending it. -Talgian

07-17-2006, 08:37 PM	#1972
Talgian H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jul 2006	I rather thought I did. If not, it was a miscommunication. BK and I talked verbally, amd I remember his question as, "Are you just planning it now, or also sending it?" To which I responded, "I'm sending it." -Talgian

07-17-2006, 08:46 PM	#1976
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	15 mins left correct?

07-17-2006, 08:48 PM	#1977
Talgian H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jul 2006	45. It's at 10:30 EST, not 10. -Talgian

07-17-2006, 08:48 PM	#1978
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	[quote=Swaggs]It seems like I tried my best, but it was really rough going during the fight. We tried to go after the Overlord, all at once, but I got hurt pretty badly. I am not afraid to admit that I was a little bit scared, as it was an experience unlike any I have ever had, but I kept fighting and fighting until ordered to retreat. I find it hard to fathom how dubb came out of the battle uninjured. My gut tells me that we have little to no chance of ever defeating the Overlord. [\QUOTE] [quote=SnDvls]It was tough from the get go. Schmidty wanted to stop and pull out, however we as a group decided to forge ahead. It seemed to me that everyone was “trying” but it wasn’t working well. We did reach the Overlord’s lair, but as we all rushed the Overlord I or we felt a great stinging. I heard everyone else struggling too. Instead of turning it into a suicide mission we decided to retreat. Everyone but dubb was injured.[\QUOTE] [quote=dubb93]When we got in the cave, things started getting really brutal. Schmidty issued an order for retreat, but I had no part of it, insisting that we continue with the mission. The mission could have really used another officer worth a shit as we got to the spawn overlord. I really kicked the shit out of it, but Schmidty issued a final retreat order. As I looked around, I saw that everyone else was injuried, so I stopped attacking the overlord and helped everyone back to the ship. With that said, I'm now 100% sure that the overlord can't withstand annother attack.[\QUOTE] [quote=Schmidty]Well, from the PM I got, we did a pretty shitty job. Wasting two away missions with nothing to show for it is pretty painful. Hopefully we at least hurt the OL, because it's obvious that we need to concentrate on other routes from now on. At the same time, who knows exactly how damaged the OL is. Also, I think it's odd that dubb came out unscathed from a battle that, according to my PM, was brutal for us. Having said all that, I don't know what the hell to do.[\QUOTE] [quote=Talgian]Well, my PM said it was tough fighting from the get go, but I in particular had an interesting experience. Someone attacked me. Someone who isn't the overlord (or at least somone who I don't think is the overlord). I also felt that the overlord could have been beaten, but we had to retreat due to mass wounding. So the real question is who is the traitor amongst us? I don't think it's sndvls. I notice that schmidty never fired his phaser, and that dubb is the only one who wasn't wounded. Strange times.[\QUOTE] Two of these sound very different to me than the others. I think Schmidty is bad. Do NOT have him guard the engine room if he isn't lynched. VOTE SCHMIDTY __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2006, 08:49 PM	#1979
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dammit, messed up the quotes. My bad. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2006, 08:52 PM	#1981
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	By the way, I think Talgian is bad also. I'd switch my vote in a heartbeat if I thought it mattered. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2006, 09:02 PM	#1984
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Unvote Dubb Vote Schmidty This is almost as much voting against who Talg voted for as anything. There's evidence for both.

07-17-2006, 09:04 PM	#1986
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Anyone have a vote count? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-17-2006, 09:06 PM	#1989
Talgian H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jul 2006	For the record, I voted for dubb because I think his being the only person to come out of battle unscathed is more suspicious than Schmidty, who didn't, and because he seemed to be getting more votes anyway. -Talgian

07-17-2006, 09:08 PM	#1991
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm even more curious about Dubb now, because the report I received from the away message was much different than the one he is portraying. Did anyone else get anything indicating that we were anywhere close to being able to defeat the Overlord? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-17-2006, 09:12 PM	#1996
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Sent in a PM to BK. Not saying who I am promoting and to what.

07-17-2006, 09:14 PM	#1997
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I am getting thrown off because the evidence seems too great against Dubb with that recount of the mission. My apparent thought, as we were leaving the cave, was that the Overlord was way too strong and that I felt hopeless about our chances of ever being able to kill it. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-17-2006, 09:14 PM	#1998
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Talgian, did you get the stinging feeling, as well? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

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