WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[Poli]

GO PATROLLING

I'm going to hold off on my vote for now.

[jeheinz72]

Work Gladhanding

[jeheinz72]

Oh, and good job Norm. Sorry I was long gone before seeing your reveal. Having seen it now, well, that makes some sense as to why you voted so quickly.

[TheNorm]

Also forgot to mention that I'm going to be apartment hunting for the better part of today but will be back in time to put my work in.

...and jeheinz, any particular reason you kept your vote on me for yesterday?

[jeheinz72]

Can someone recap the dubb argument for me?

I saw some posts about haphazard voting the day before or something. Just to play devil's advocate, he did the same thing in Sparta in Pass's game and was a villager.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Also forgot to mention that I'm going to be apartment hunting for the better part of today but will be back in time to put my work in.

...and jeheinz, any particular reason you kept your vote on me for yesterday?

I don't come online on the weekends. So right now is the first time I've caught up since I placed that vote.

My bad!

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Oh, and good job Norm. Sorry I was long gone before seeing your reveal. Having seen it now, well, that makes some sense as to why you voted so quickly.

Thanks--that answers the question I just posted.

[USFLTecmo]

Good luck with the apartment searching, Norm.

Work on Patrolling

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Fellas, Chief Rum was my scan last night and he's labor (Wings and Ducks working together, who'd have thunk it? ).

Sorry I couldn't catch a baddie this time.

Let me know where my work is needed for today.

Well, would have liked to have caught a baddie, but I'll take being cleared. Thanks!

[PurdueBrad]

Since EF has voted for me again, I would gladly volunteer to be the next scan (and yeah, I'm offering this despite the conversation yesterday that some feel that it makes you look like a wolf).

I would like the same kind of security that CR now enjoys (jealous!).

In addition, while I think we still have something like 10 uncleared players, I would like to propose that we consider doing some rescans at some point due to the bribery aspect as well.

[jeheinz72]

I'm not cleared and I'm going to ask that I'm not scanned. *rolleyes*

[Abe Sargent]

There are numerous stories of scabs and miners who did flee. James Kane, a 19 year of old cook forced to mine, walked 23 miles along the Kanawha River to Charleston and hopped a train to New York. More and more stories began to accumulate. Beatings. False arrests. Intimidation. All of this began to pile up and pile up.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Can someone recap the dubb argument for me?

I saw some posts about haphazard voting the day before or something. Just to play devil's advocate, he did the same thing in Sparta in Pass's game and was a villager.

Dubb's voting from Day 3 suggests that he could hvae been trying to save Jackal.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'm not cleared and I'm going to ask that I'm not scanned. *rolleyes*

Hehe, smart ass!

[RendeR]

WORK PATROLLING

We should be able to finish patrolling and almost finish at least one more task today and then pile everyone on the others tomorrow. depending on how many specialists we have left it might be tight though.

Who are the major vote targets today? I may not be around at deadline, not sure yet though.

I'll get a vote in before I dissapear entirely though.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

The conflict is now heating up!

You decide to make a new stand in Cabin Creek and leave Paint Creek for now. ]b]Cabin Creek is where you will make the final stand of the conflict.[/b]

Due to its importance, you will be spending TWO days in Cabin Creek.

Okay, I dropped the hint earlier but I'll ask it openly. Is this the end-game event that Abe discussed possibly being triggered? If so, I'm wondering if we triggered it or the wolves did.

If this is the endgame scenario, is there any value in a no-lynch here on the chance that we lynch a villager and lose their work? I mean, if we keep a wolf around they would have to fake their work (I would assume) BUT at least we would force them to do that as Abe mentioned there would a work detail at the end of this. And if they don't fake, we can take advantage of their work. I'm normally opposed to no lynches but we also don't normally rely on the wolves or mis-voted villagers for their labor.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

There is also a game ending event, which, if it is triggered, will decide the game right there and then.

This is what I'm talking about, if you don't know.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

This is what I'm talking about, if you don't know.

i would think that Abe would let us know....

[EagleFan]

As of 1967:

Patrolling: Chief Rum (1926), Poli (1951), USFLTecomo (1958), RendeR (1965) (4/10)
Food Distribution: Danny (1900), EagleFan x3 (1901) (4/10)
Gladhandling: dubb93 (1898), claphamsa (1939), jeheinz72 (1952) (3/10)
Oratory: PurdueBrad (1938), DaddyTorgo (1946) (2/10)


PurdueBrad 1 - EagleFan (1915)
dubb93 2 - Barkeep (1942), PurdueBrad (1949)

no work order: Lathum, ntndeacon, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Barkeep49

no vote: Poli, Lathum, dubb93, claphamsa, ntndeacon, USFLTecmo, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, RendeR, jeheinz72, Danny

[EagleFan]

I only added my multiplier. Trying to do this between tasks at work so if those involved could add the multipliers in that would be a great help and would be greatly appreciated.

[EagleFan]

For the record, I don't think we should aim for completing a task today if we have multiple multiplers on that task. Why waste the potential x3's tomorrow?

If we keep it so that our x3's are still worth something tomorrow (as many as possible) that cuts down the affect that just one of them being killed off would have.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

If we keep it so that our x3's are still worth something tomorrow (as many as possible) that cuts down the affect that just one of them being killed off would have.

I don't know if that's smart. Since we don't know who they'll kill, we're better off just making sure things get done. For instance, on gladhanding; clap, myself and dubb are all +3s.

We should all work today and if that means only one of us has to tomorrow, then great. But I think some strange plan where we don't all work today is setting ourselves up for another mistake (or another nicely executed wolf move)

[EagleFan]

As of 1967:

Patrolling: Chief Rum (1926), Poli (1951), USFLTecomo (1958), RendeR (1965) (4/10)
Food Distribution: Danny (1900), EagleFan x3 (1901) (4/10)
Gladhandling: dubb93 x3 (1898), claphamsa (1939), jeheinz72 x3 (1952) (7/10)
Oratory: PurdueBrad x3 (1938), DaddyTorgo (1946) (4/10)


PurdueBrad 1 - EagleFan (1915)
dubb93 2 - Barkeep (1942), PurdueBrad (1949)

no work order: Lathum, ntndeacon, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Barkeep49

no vote: Poli, Lathum, dubb93, claphamsa, ntndeacon, USFLTecmo, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, RendeR, jeheinz72, Danny

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I don't know if that's smart. Since we don't know who they'll kill, we're better off just making sure things get done. For instance, on gladhanding; clap, myself and dubb are all +3s.

We should all work today and if that means only one of us has to tomorrow, then great. But I think some strange plan where we don't all work today is setting ourselves up for another mistake (or another nicely executed wolf move)

Not saying that our x3's shouldn't work in their area of specialty just that the others should be placeed strategically so that as many x3's as possible are still valid tomorrow.

Example: If we have 2 x3's in a task we shouldn't fill in 4 with no multiplier to fill up that task today when they could be used more wisely in another area.

[EagleFan]

Updating the list as I find the multipliers.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Danny

914 EF Votes PB (1-0)
986 Pass votes Poli
989 Pass unvotes Poli
991 Pass votes Poli (1-1)
998 Poli votes Pass (1-1-1)
1063 Heinze votes Autumn (1-1-1-1)
1116 Clap votes Pass (2-1-1-1)
1134 Lathum votes Render (2-1-1-1-1)
1149 Poli unvotes pass (1-1-1-1-1)
1154 Pass unvotes Poli (1-1-1-1)
1154 Pass votes Clap (1-1-1-1-1)
1166 Danny votes Jackal (1-1-1-1-1-1)
1190 Autumn votes Render (2-1-1-1-1-1)
1202 Poli votes the Jackal (2-2-1-1-1-1)
1205 The Jackal votes Render (3-2-1-1-1-1)
1209 Dubb votes Render (4-2-1-1-1-1
1216 Heinze unvotes Autumn (4-2-1-1-1)
1216 Heinze votes Jackal (4-3-1-1-1)
1250 Dubb unvotes render (3-3-1-1-1)
1250 Dubb votes BK (3-3-1-1-1-1)
1255 CR votes Autumn (3-3-1x5)
1300 Dubb unvotes BK (3-3-1x4)
1304 Dubb votes Jackal (4-3-1x4)
1312 BK votes Jackal (5-3-1x4)
1331 Pass unvotes Clap (5-3-1-1-1)
1331 Pass votes Render (5-4-1-1-1)
1334 PB votes Jackal (6-4-1-1-1)
1340 EF unvotes PB (6-4-1-1)
1340 EF votes Jackal (7-4-1-1)
1341 Dubb unvotes JAckal (6-4-1-1)
1341 Dubb votes Render (6-5-1-1)
1354 Render votes Jackal (7-5-1-1)
1358 USFL votes Schmidty (7-5-1-1-1)
1361 Dubb unvotes render (7-4-1-1-1)
1361 Dubb votes Schmidty (7-4-1x4)
1370 TheNorm votes no lynch
1372 The Jackal unvotes Render (7-3-1x4)
1372 The Jackal votes Schmidty (7-4-2-1-1-1)
1372- EF unvotes Jackal (6-4-2-1-1-1)
1372- EF votes PB (6-4-2-1x4)
1377 The Jackal unvotes Schmidty
1377 The JAckal votes Render 6-5-2-1x4)

Adding running vote counts

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Not saying that our x3's shouldn't work in their area of specialty just that the others should be placeed strategically so that as many x3's as possible are still valid tomorrow.

Example: If we have 2 x3's in a task we shouldn't fill in 4 with no multiplier to fill up that task today when they could be used more wisely in another area.

Yes. Really the best tact is that if you're a x3 in one of the four areas, work there. If you're not, fill in wisely.

EF - Clap is a x3 gladhander as well

[EagleFan]

As of 1975:

Patrolling: Chief Rum (1926), Poli (1951), USFLTecomo (1958), RendeR (1965) (4/10)
Food Distribution: Danny (1900), EagleFan x3 (1901) (4/10)
Gladhandling: dubb93 x3 (1898), claphamsa x3 (1939), jeheinz72 x3 (1952) (9/10)
Oratory: PurdueBrad x3 (1938), DaddyTorgo (1946) (4/10)


PurdueBrad 1 - EagleFan (1915)
dubb93 2 - Barkeep (1942), PurdueBrad (1949)

no work order: Lathum, ntndeacon, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Barkeep49

no vote: Poli, Lathum, dubb93, claphamsa, ntndeacon, USFLTecmo, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, RendeR, jeheinz72, Danny

[EagleFan]

As of 1975:

Patrolling: Chief Rum x3 (1926), Poli (1951), USFLTecomo X3 (1958), RendeR (1965) (8/10)
Food Distribution: Danny x3 (1900), EagleFan x3 (1901) (6/10)
Gladhandling: dubb93 x3 (1898), claphamsa x3 (1939), jeheinz72 x3 (1952) (9/10)
Oratory: PurdueBrad x3 (1938), DaddyTorgo (1946) (4/10)


PurdueBrad 1 - EagleFan (1915)
dubb93 2 - Barkeep (1942), PurdueBrad (1949)

no work order: Lathum, ntndeacon, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Barkeep49

no vote: Poli, Lathum, dubb93, claphamsa, ntndeacon, USFLTecmo, TheNorm, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, RendeR, jeheinz72, Danny

[jeheinz72]

Looking at that vote run down a couple things strike me.

A) Dubb was all over the place, yes. Not a huge fan of how he played the day if he's a villager. But with all 3 of them on RendeR and the count at 7-5 with a good amount of voters left, was his switch-off to Schmidty a sign that the wolves gave up on saving Jackal, or a sign that he just didn't know.

B) I'm not a fan of EF's late vote switch. Granted he didn't switch it to RendeR, but he put it back within striking distance

C) Certainly not a fan of any of the people who made themselves meaningless.

[EagleFan]

Let me know who I missed with the multipliers, or if I am incorrect about a multiplier. This is looking too easy at the moment. There must be a catch somewhere.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

CoT:
Poli
Barkeep
TheNorm
EagleFan

Outer Ring (a possible cunning is all the keeps him fro a lock at the moment):
Lathum

Good feel about:
Glengoyne/Schmidty
Danny
RendeR

Sympathiser
The Jackal

4. dubb - a lot of suspicion around him at the moment
5. claphamsa - no good read at the moment
6. ntndeacon - is he playing?
7. USFLTecmo - wolf plan to arrest their own?
11. Chief Rum - haven't seen his usual lay it all on the line posts that I've seen from him when he is a villager
12. DaddyTorgo - seems to be doing a lot of following, have seen that as a wolf
14. PurdueBrad - still suspicious of the switch from the mission day 2, especially now with TheNorm being good and Jackal being bad (didn't Jackal go on the mission that day? It would make sense that they did not want multiple wolves on the mission when they decided to arrest me)
20. jeheinz - I always think he is a wolf, need to look at a little more as Ihave no read at the moment.

EF, are you actually in *the* CoT, or is this just you putting yourself in there since you're the one posting it?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Let me know who I missed with the multipliers, or if I am incorrect about a multiplier. This is looking too easy at the moment. There must be a catch somewhere.

I'm almost certain DT is a x3 on oratory, but you might want to wait for him to confirm that.

[jeheinz72]

Also EF, what's with the incessant PB voting? Is this just a perpetuating inside joke or do you continue to think he's a wolf here?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Looking at that vote run down a couple things strike me.

A) Dubb was all over the place, yes. Not a huge fan of how he played the day if he's a villager. But with all 3 of them on RendeR and the count at 7-5 with a good amount of voters left, was his switch-off to Schmidty a sign that the wolves gave up on saving Jackal, or a sign that he just didn't know.

B) I'm not a fan of EF's late vote switch. Granted he didn't switch it to RendeR, but he put it back within striking distance

C) Certainly not a fan of any of the people who made themselves meaningless.

I had no read on the leaders at that point. I would be highly suspicious of that too if I were you. I am cleared though, if that means anything at this point.

[jeheinz72]

I ask because PB put a pretty balls vote on Jackal here:

1334 PB votes Jackal (6-4-1-1-1)
1340 EF unvotes PB (6-4-1-1)
1340 EF votes Jackal (7-4-1-1)

Then you followed him.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I had no read on the leaders at that point. I would be highly suspicious of that too if I were you. I am cleared though, if that means anything at this point.

Did Norm scan you?

No offense meant, I missed a lot of the HOW people got into the CoT in trying to catch up.

[Glengoyne]

My specialty isn't up for today, organization. So I'm one point of labor.

It looks too early to determine where that will get placed.


This should be pretty much a slam dunk...unless our losses have eaten up too many of our x3 players in a given area. My thoughts....We figure out our maximum output, identify our weak points(where we've taken losses), and shore up those weaknesses. We can be counting on any x3 folks to be around tomorrow.

With 3 x3 folks in gladhanding, we'll get nine today. I think anyone else's one point in labor would be better spent elsewhere. Because there is no way that all three of them will be gone tomorrow.

So in short we shore up the weaknesses, and spread the rest evenly.

for now, although I'll be in later.

work PATROL
vote Dubb

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

EF, are you actually in *the* CoT, or is this just you putting yourself in there since you're the one posting it?

Poli blocked an attack on me. I think that should pretty much put me there unless I have pissed off the sympathisers enough that they were going after one of their own that night.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Poli blocked an attack on me. I think that should pretty much put me there unless I have pissed off the sympathisers enough that they were going after one of their own that night.

Gotcha. Yeah, that's solid enough...for now.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I ask because PB put a pretty balls vote on Jackal here:

1334 PB votes Jackal (6-4-1-1-1)
1340 EF unvotes PB (6-4-1-1)
1340 EF votes Jackal (7-4-1-1)

Then you followed him.

I have been suspicious of him since the flop he did on day two. I may be wrong but it's at least something to go on at the moment.

[EagleFan]

the PB vote day one has become a bit of a joke but I actually had no plan on voting him this game but that day two flop just eats at me. Especially with Jackal staying on the mission it seems like a sympathiser trying to get out of the line of fire so there wouldn't be two of their own standing out for going on the mission instead of the camp.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I have been suspicious of him since the flop he did on day two. I may be wrong but it's at least something to go on at the moment.

Do you think your cause for suspicion trumps the fact that he made a balls vote on Jackal?

I ask because I really don't think it's in our best interests to railroad dubb today. Which isn't to say I won't vote for him, but I've seen him act bananas as a villager before so I"m hesitant to now agree with the thinking that since he's acting bananas he must be a wolf.

So I want to make sure we've vetted the other candidates before we see a bunch of pop-in-and-run votes on dubb.

Unless he's pulling some sort of long con on me...

[EagleFan]

Stepping out for a bit.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

the PB vote day one has become a bit of a joke but I actually had no plan on voting him this game but that day two flop just eats at me. Especially with Jackal staying on the mission it seems like a sympathiser trying to get out of the line of fire so there wouldn't be two of their own standing out for going on the mission instead of the camp.

But wasn't he basically asked/forced to get off the mission and do his work?

[Glengoyne]

Ah just read and saw that patrol wasn't exactly a weakness. so I'll change to oratory.

unwork PATROL
work ORATORY

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Do you think your cause for suspicion trumps the fact that he made a balls vote on Jackal?

I ask because I really don't think it's in our best interests to railroad dubb today. Which isn't to say I won't vote for him, but I've seen him act bananas as a villager before so I"m hesitant to now agree with the thinking that since he's acting bananas he must be a wolf.

So I want to make sure we've vetted the other candidates before we see a bunch of pop-in-and-run votes on dubb.

Unless he's pulling some sort of long con on me...

One last post before stepping out to address this. I am not sold 100 percent on the PB vote as of yet and want to actually look a little more closely at his play and voting history. I did notice that he followed Pass where the work load was concerned, if that means anything. I really don't want to see a runaway on dubb as we learn nothing at that point.

[jeheinz72]

Gotcha. I shall wait for PB and a few others I have in mind to come on.

[PurdueBrad]

Heinz, EF, I'm around some for the next few minutes.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

But wasn't he basically asked/forced to get off the mission and do his work?

Heinz, this is true to a degree. I felt very strongly that getting the items would be valuable but Autumn and some others asked/forced me to move. And then later had me move another time.