Looks Like Jared May Be A Sick F**K...

[EagleFan]

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[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

But there is a fundamental need for society to learn why this happens and how to curtail it before it affects children

And you can do that with a long sentence in a lower security facility that also doubles as a specialist unit. But a 120 day boot camp and saying "better now" is a sick joke.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

But a 120 day boot camp and saying "better now" is a sick joke.

I believe he should serve the sentence any one else convicted of this crime would. I believe he should be required to get intense therapy while serving that sentence.

[bhlloy]

And I believe the sentence for this crime should be massively massively more punitive

[Mike Lowe]

Interesting read from the Washington Post about what some were discussing earlier.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...inst-children/

[ISiddiqui]

Really interesting article. When desire for adolescent or even younger people is a result of 'bad wiring' in the brain, how can we deal with it in concrete ways without going all "Minority Report" and jailing people for thoughtcrimes.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by hollmt

I can buy a mental disorder much more than a disease. I was addicted to WoW for 5 years and you could argue it was mental more than anything

What annoys/pisses me off is the labeling these types of things as a disease. What that means then to me is that, that person is dissolving him/herself of any responsibility in the problem as it 'was a disease that made me do it' and I call bullshit on that.

Jared himself when he does his interview (he probably will) will likely say something like this. Just give it time. It may not outright be said in this thread but it will be said.

I have Type 1 Diabetes. THAT is a disease. I had no control over getting it. People get other diseases and they have NO control over it. Murders that kill, Alcoholics that drink and do crazy stuff may have a mental disorder sure, but they also made a decision somewhere. Jared, he made a conscious decision to do what he did for so long and should own up to it and not label it something where he had no control. Anyone who defends him as having a disease is a fool and idiot. That is my opinion and it will never, ever change.

I googled Mental Disease and got back 41,500 scholarly articles since 2015.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by hollmt

I can buy a mental disorder much more than a disease. I was addicted to WoW for 5 years and you could argue it was mental more than anything

What annoys/pisses me off is the labeling these types of things as a disease. What that means then to me is that, that person is dissolving him/herself of any responsibility in the problem as it 'was a disease that made me do it' and I call bullshit on that.

Jared himself when he does his interview (he probably will) will likely say something like this. Just give it time. It may not outright be said in this thread but it will be said.

I have Type 1 Diabetes. THAT is a disease. I had no control over getting it. People get other diseases and they have NO control over it. Murders that kill, Alcoholics that drink and do crazy stuff may have a mental disorder sure, but they also made a decision somewhere. Jared, he made a conscious decision to do what he did for so long and should own up to it and not label it something where he had no control. Anyone who defends him as having a disease is a fool and idiot. That is my opinion and it will never, ever change.

I don't think you have a strong understanding as to exactly how mental diseases work. You're not alone. They are very difficult to understand, because they are almost always tied up with behavior and action and, therefore, it is really difficult for people to separate the disease from the act/behavior/person.

If you read the Washington Post article that Mike Lowe posted, there is a decent discussion by a psychologist that in some people being attracted to children is a result of wires being crossed in the brain, where, instead of feeling nurturing and parental towards children, they feel sexually attracted to them. They don't want to or choose to, but there is a defect in the brain.

Other mental diseases have similar causes. It could be faulty wiring, an imbalance of chemicals, some damage or defect to the brain tissue, etc.

These defects are no different than countless other physical diseases. Some people have heart disease as a result of their heart not working properly or being constructed exactly as it should. Cancer is a result of cells in the body mutating in ways they aren't supposed to.

Even your Type 1 diabetes is not really different. In most people with type 1 diabetes, the body's own immune system — which normally fights harmful bacteria and viruses — mistakenly destroys the insulin-producing (islet) cells in the pancreas. That's not supposed to happen, but for some reason it does. How is that different than someone having some defect in the brain that causes them to think or act in a way that they can't control?

[Kodos]

If somebody's brain is wired so that they find kids sexually attractive, they need to be permanently separated from the population of children. Innocent children need to be protected. I don't care if there is a biological basis for the improper attraction. My wife's sister was a victim of a pedophile, and her life is a total wreck right now. It's affecting the whole family, especially her parents, who constantly have to clean up their daughter's messes. She is an addict, has two kids, and hasn't held a job in 7 years. I would gladly kill the man who abused her. He recently was caught abusing kids again.

In large part, these people cannot be rehabilitated. Therefore, they must be separated from the population. Jail for life, no parole.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I don't think you have a strong understanding as to exactly how mental diseases work. You're not alone. They are very difficult to understand, because they are almost always tied up with behavior and action and, therefore, it is really difficult for people to separate the disease from the act/behavior/person.

If you read the Washington Post article that Mike Lowe posted, there is a decent discussion by a psychologist that in some people being attracted to children is a result of wires being crossed in the brain, where, instead of feeling nurturing and parental towards children, they feel sexually attracted to them. They don't want to or choose to, but there is a defect in the brain.

Other mental diseases have similar causes. It could be faulty wiring, an imbalance of chemicals, some damage or defect to the brain tissue, etc.

These defects are no different than countless other physical diseases. Some people have heart disease as a result of their heart not working properly or being constructed exactly as it should. Cancer is a result of cells in the body mutating in ways they aren't supposed to.

Even your Type 1 diabetes is not really different. In most people with type 1 diabetes, the body's own immune system — which normally fights harmful bacteria and viruses — mistakenly destroys the insulin-producing (islet) cells in the pancreas. That's not supposed to happen, but for some reason it does. How is that different than someone having some defect in the brain that causes them to think or act in a way that they can't control?

I like how when an opinion is stated that goes against the social norm that has been slammed down their throats by the medical field tossing out pills, then it is countered with 'I don't think you have a strong understanding...'

I have read both sides of the argument and have debated it for a long time. It is a debate I had again with my girlfriend last night. Mental Disorders are NOT a disease. That is my opinion.

This is a fallacy that has been popular over the last 30-40 years, rammed down by the medical field, especially psychiatrists, and swallowed and accepted by many in the public, in order to sell drugs to cure a 'disease.' It is also a way for those affected to not take responsibility for their own actions and decisions and sorry...their behavioral choices.

For every psychiatrist that proclaims it is a disease, there is one that states otherwise. For every article on the side for, there is an article against it.

You can Google on your own 'mental disorders are not a disease' or 'addiction is not a disease' and read to your hearts content.

Like I mentioned already, I have read both sides. I guess though, in the end, I formed my opinion based on life experiences. I saw people choose to do drugs, I saw my dad choose to pick up a bottle and get drunk and then beat the shit out of my mom and hit me. Those were choices. The argument can be made that the drugs and alcohol then affected their brain after to continue the 'choice' but bottom line is, the initial choice was that persons and for the most part, so was the subsequent choices to continue doing the destructive behavior. This is the same as Jared and sexual predators. I just do not, cannot, will NOT accept that fact that these people don't have a choice in the matter.

People with real, legitimate diseases do not have a choice. And their disease affects them everyday of their life. You and others can sit there and call it 'wires being crossed' in their brain and that is a 'disease' all you want. I call it bullshit. Our society puts baby gloves on so many things and slaps an easy label on it to protect the alcoholic, druggie, sexual predator as having a disease and those people and the advocates for it accept it and by doing so, take away any responsibility from that person and then 'it's just not their fault'. It is not right. No argument/article will sway my decision on this, ever.

You seem like a smart person as do many others on here. Take the time, if you have not already , to read the other side of the debate and check out the false science behind the disease argument. Then ask yourself why you allow these people not to take responsibility for their actions/choices/behaviors?

[JPhillips]

So do you not believe that brain chemistry exists or do you not believe brain chemistry can become unbalanced? Should people just choose to stop being depressed or just choose to stop being bi-polar?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by hollmt

People with real, legitimate diseases do not have a choice. And their disease affects them everyday of their life.

Why would anyone want to "chose" to suffer from severe depression to such an extent that the only solution who think can help is suicide? Why would anyone "chose" to be addicted to alcohol or drugs? That doesn't make a lick of sense. These people have no more "choice" in this, than you do in trying to chose whether your immune system does the right thing or not.

These mental disease affect people everyday of their life. For some, there are drugs that make it bearable and make life livable, for others, there is no such luck.

This isn't about putting on baby gloves. It's about trying to figure out why some people suffer from these diseases and what, if anything, we can do to prevent them or cure them. That's it.

If someone is addicted to alcohol and beats their children, they need to go to jail. They need to be punished, regardless of what you call "addiction." If someone is molests children, they need to be separated from society, regardless of whether it's a disease or not. These are horrible crimes and there are victims who bare the scars who need be protected.

Looking at it like a disease, however, means that there may be a way to treat this. There may be a way to fix it so someone isn't addicted to alcohol, a way to fix it so someone isn't depressed and tries to kill themselves. It means there may be cures to these horrible diseases such that we can fix them, or eradicate them in the future.

I'm not surprised you or others feel like this is a "fallacy" that's been rammed down by the medical field, especially psychiatrists, for the last 30-40 years. No doubt, back in the day, there were those who felt the same way about "germ theory" and the fact that the earth revolved around the sun, etc.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So do you not believe that brain chemistry exists or do you not believe brain chemistry can become unbalanced? Should people just choose to stop being depressed or just choose to stop being bi-polar?

That is a good question JP.

I guess I do believe in some imbalances sure. And I might be sliding down a slippery slope here , but I don't see depression as a disease. Even the pills you take for depression have a possible side effect of wait for it....depression. Bi-polar meds even have a possible side effect of wait for it again....wanting to kill oneself. That seems strange. And that again reinforces my point that the medical field forces pills down peoples throats in order to treat things.

My main argument in this entire thing when it was started was that addiction was not a disease to which Schmidty jumped on. I 100% believe that is the case and was clearly pointing out Sexual predators, drug and alcohol addiction. There are others that can be lumped into that and I even used myself and being addicted to WoW for 5 years. I didn't have Wowitus though I made a choice and it was a bad addictive behavior.

I can see where you are going though in regards to Mental Disorders and chemical imbalances. But yes, I guess in the end, I still feel they are not diseases. Sorry. Again, I said I was ready for the shitstorm and was prepared. My opinion is probably not the popular one here, but it is mine and I have a right to it, just as you all do to yours. Others though, do have the same opinion as I do, and many, many of those people are way smarter than me.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by hollmt

Then ask yourself why you allow these people not to take responsibility for their actions/choices/behaviors?

I'm not sure anyone here has been for people not taking responsibility for their actions. But, by the same token, we should be trying to help these people.

I don't share too often: my Mom committed suicide when I was nine due to my Dad being a drug addict and physically abusive towards us both. There were also sexual predators in my life. I think I've turned out fairly "normal". But does that mean that I should look down on people who aren't wired the same way as I am and can't handle what happened to them during their formative years?

Jared Fogle committed some horrendous crimes and should pay for it through incarceration. But it benefits society to work and try to cure these people and through that research hopefully figure out what triggers these actions in other people. Figure out what the warning signs are.

[nol]

Which would beg the question, why is America home to the largest concentration of rapists, pedophiles, violent criminals, etc. in the industrialized world? If you freed everyone currently in jail on drug or traffic-related charges (even the kingpins and multiple DUI offenders) we would be the most incarcerated nation by a significant margin.

It certainly isn't because other nations lock these kinds of people up forever and throw away the key and we're super lenient. It certainly isn't because of some decay in good Christian family values; America is much more religious than any Western European country, plus violent crime has actually been on the decline over the past few decades.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by hollmt

There are others that can be lumped into that and I even used myself and being addicted to WoW for 5 years. I didn't have Wowitus though I made a choice and it was a bad addictive behavior..

I think this is part of the problem. You're equating your 5 year addiction to World of Warcraft to actual addiction. It's like saying, I know what a clinically depress person experiences and feels, because, you know, I've been, like, sad and stuff before.

These things are not the same things. Not even close.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Why would anyone want to "chose" to suffer from severe depression to such an extent that the only solution who think can help is suicide? Why would anyone "chose" to be addicted to alcohol or drugs? That doesn't make a lick of sense. These people have no more "choice" in this, than you do in trying to chose whether your immune system does the right thing or not.

These mental disease affect people everyday of their life. For some, there are drugs that make it bearable and make life livable, for others, there is no such luck.

This isn't about putting on baby gloves. It's about trying to figure out why some people suffer from these diseases and what, if anything, we can do to prevent them or cure them. That's it.

If someone is addicted to alcohol and beats their children, they need to go to jail. They need to be punished, regardless of what you call "addiction." If someone is molests children, they need to be separated from society, regardless of whether it's a disease or not. These are horrible crimes and there are victims who bare the scars who need be protected.

Looking at it like a disease, however, means that there may be a way to treat this. There may be a way to fix it so someone isn't addicted to alcohol, a way to fix it so someone isn't depressed and tries to kill themselves. It means there may be cures to these horrible diseases such that we can fix them, or eradicate them in the future.

I'm not surprised you or others feel like this is a "fallacy" that's been rammed down by the medical field, especially psychiatrists, for the last 30-40 years. No doubt, back in the day, there were those who felt the same way about "germ theory" and the fact that the earth revolved around the sun, etc.

Bullshit!

I can choose to do heroine or crack. I can choose to pick up a bottle of alcohol and get drunk off my ass and my side effect be a mean drunk and I then do destructive things. I didn't choose for my immune system to attack me and kill my pancreas. Come on now.

If a parent beats their kid because they are drunk and then they blame it on the disease of alcoholism, they are wrong. If someone shoots up some drug and commits a crime after it and blames it on the disease of drug addiction, they are wrong. If Jared looks at kid porn and then blames his addiction to it on a disease of the mind, he is wrong. The one thing you got right out of all of that was, that they need to be punished. At least you got that. They need to take responsibility for their actions and addictions and not blame it on a disease that they have no control over.

I think that is what you are missing from my argument. People don't take responsibility for their actions from their addictions and they then in turn blame it on a disease that they have no control over. It. Is. Wrong.

I get the feeling you haven't read any articles that are against your theory. Maybe you should.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I think this is part of the problem. You're equating your 5 year addiction to World of Warcraft to actual addiction. It's like saying, I know what a clinically depress person experiences and feels, because, you know, I've been, like, sad and stuff before.

These things are not the same things. Not even close.

No, I am equating addiction to something as a choice I had and not blaming it on 'bad wiring' and calling it a disease in order to not take responsibility for my own actions.

I wasn't at all comparing my semi addiction to a stupid game to anything. Just the label.

[hollmt]

Also, I am not saying these people don't need help. Please don't think that. I also am not looking down on them. We all have issues/demons/addictions. People that are depressed, bipolar, alcoholics, drug addicted and sexual predators...they all need help. That is not my argument here.

It is solely the label of addiction as a disease and the lack of responsibility. I cannot say that enough. That is obvious.

[Suicane75]

All I know is, I don't wanna know how old that girl that skateboards up and down my street every day is. Plausible deniability is my motto.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by hollmt

It is solely the label of addiction as a disease and the lack of responsibility. I cannot say that enough. That is obvious.

Once again, there is no one here saying these people shouldn't be punished for their actions.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Once again, there is no one here saying these people shouldn't be punished for their actions.

And once again, I am not saying anyone here said that, Bill. You will not find me saying that anywhere in my posts at all. Even your quote of me didn't state me saying anything like that. I am confused.

In fact I believe I said something in line with that everyone on here has stated he should be punished etc etc. No argument here.

Again, my argument has been all about responsibility for ones actions and the need to stop BLAMING it on a disease.

[Suicane75]

You're riled up.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

You're riled up.

Maybe!

I do get a bit riled up on this and it probably isn't good. I blame it on bad wiring in my head and hope society gives me a pass.

But your previous post was funny and made me laugh. Thank You.

[JPhillips]

What about the mentally disabled or those traumatic brain injury sufferers?

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

What about the mentally disabled or those traumatic brain injury sufferers?

Mental disability such as what exactly? Again this is a slippery slope and I see what you are doing. Traumatic Brain injuries from i.e.; car accidents etc.? That is a brain injury, not a disease. If I break my arm it is an injury. Same as if I break my brain. I am not trying to be funny. Neither one of those are an addiction, right? Nor are they really a disorder. They are outright disabilities/handicaps/injuries. Not the same thing in my eyes.

I have been really focusing on a few things here. Addictions to drugs, alcohol, and in the topic of this thread, child porn/molestation and any other type of addiction/dependency. You are bringing up things way out of left field that have nothing to do with addictions. I probably in all honesty should have avoided the mental disorder portion because it is just so broad as you are attempting to prove.

I think though, I really have made my point clear. The person committing the crime/causing the destructive behavior needs to take responsibility for their own actions and they and society need to stop blaming it on and labeling those things as a disease that they have no control over.

[JPhillips]

You've gone way past the idea that people that commit crimes should accept responsibility. You've argued that there are no such thing as mental disorders, including depression and bi-polar.

But you do seem willing to admit that changes or injuries to the brain can effect behavior. If that's true, why can't you accept that behavior can be effected with changes smaller than those seen in the traditionally disabled?

Nobody here is saying that criminals should be freed because of mental illness. I expect everyone here would agree that people should take responsibility for their actions. I expect everyone would agree that behavior/environment and brain chemistry work together. Where we're at odds is your contention that there are no mental disorders and everything for everyone is an easily controllable choice. If that's true, how does the brain work, and how do you explain the behavior of the disabled?

[Subby]

The millions of people who suffer from depression will be relieved when they find out that they have a choice whether or not to be depressed!

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Subby

The millions of people who suffer from depression will be relieved when they find out that they have a choice whether or not to be depressed!

I had no idea that my panic attacks where totally a choice! From this day forward, I CHOOSE not to have panic attacks!

I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You've gone way past the idea that people that commit crimes should accept responsibility. You've argued that there are no such thing as mental disorders, including depression and bi-polar.

But you do seem willing to admit that changes or injuries to the brain can effect behavior. If that's true, why can't you accept that behavior can be effected with changes smaller than those seen in the traditionally disabled?

Nobody here is saying that criminals should be freed because of mental illness. I expect everyone here would agree that people should take responsibility for their actions. I expect everyone would agree that behavior/environment and brain chemistry work together. Where we're at odds is your contention that there are no mental disorders and everything for everyone is an easily controllable choice. If that's true, how does the brain work, and how do you explain the behavior of the disabled?

JP, please show me/quote where I said there are no such things as mental disorders such as bipolar or depression. I challenge you to do that. Take your time.

I will help you out though. I have not once said that there are no such things as mental disorders, depression or bipolar.

I do not and will not accept my core argument in this thread that alcohol addiction, drug addiction and addiction to child porn/child molestation is a disease. No way, no how. Not ever. My initial post in this thread was that I hoped the poster wasn't stating that what Jared did was a disease. Because I do not think and/or feel that it is.

You are twisting my words horribly and you refuse, I think, to read the other side of the argument where SCIENCE has argued the other side that addiction and mental disorders are not diseases. Nowhere do those articles and nowhere will you find me saying they do not exist. Nice try though.

As for you Subby and Sabotai. I again am not attacking depression or panic attacks. I never even mentioned panic attacks. I didn't even bring depression up. It was brought up by another asking what I thought about it. And I do not believe it is a disease. I am not apologetic about that, but I am apologetic that you think I am attacking you or those you know with depression and/or panic attacks.

Let me try to make an analogy and bear with me.

JP, lets say you and I go out for a beer. We begin talking about abortion/death penalty/politics/anything really that is argued about heatedly by people. Now, I know from past examples (this is all made up ) that I can get very violent and have been known to punch people if I argue and get heated.

JP and I start disagreeing about something and BOOM out of the blue I punch him in the nose and break it. JP gives me the WTF and I am all apologetic and tell him that I know this can happen when I argue and lose my temper and I am trying to control it but really, it's not my fault because I have Anger Management Control Disease, better known as AMCD because all of these things need fancy acronyms (completely made up by some shrink, who is giving me pills). Having this 'disease' makes me feel less guilty about what I did and allows me to take no or less responsibility for my actions even though I KNOW that having arguments and me getting heated gives me the chance to punch JP in the nose. The shrink I see also makes me feel better about it because he/she tells me it is a 'disease' and I really have no control. It is stupid and wrong. I am wrong for punching JP in the face knowing I shouldn't get in heated arguments with him and the shrink is wrong for telling me it is not my fault and that I have faulty wiring.

This is NO different than alcoholism really. My dad knew that he was a mad drunk, bottom line. He knew that if he made the choice to drink to get drunk he could lose his temper at my mom and/or me. He still did it. He made the choice, he drank and often times he would lose it and fists would fly. He was punished, sent to jail and we finally left when the last straw hit.

I have stated this too many times in this thread now I think. And now we have the gang mentality going on because some of you just flat out refuse to read the entirety of what I am saying/debating. I have read both sides of the argument from professionals. Valid points on both ends. My opinion comes from real life, reading those articles and forming my own opinion, not what is force fed down my throat by the medical field and pharm companies selling drugs. I have never said mental disorders/disabilities do not exist, I said I do not feel/believe they (mostly addictions) are diseases.

I stress that. My INITIAL argument was about addictions. Mental Disorder got brought up and I said I can see that more than the addiction label, but in the end I do not see those things as diseases. I know that is not popular amongst some of you and that is fine. But please do not twist my words stating I said those things don't exist and that I am making light of those things. I know depression is real. I know panic attacks are real. The choice of having those things is not on you, but that still doesn't make it a disease. A condition/disorder/chemical imbalance sure.

I have also not argued or stated that any of you have argued that these criminals should be let free. Show me where I have. Again, Ill give you all the time you need. That entire point just needs dropped really.

Bottom line. I was told earlier that I fully don't understand something when I actually have read many articles on both sides. I suggest you all do the same. It is rather interesting. You don't have to agree with it and I am sure you will not, but the professionals who argue against those things as diseases make probably a lot more sense than me

[JonInMiddleGA]

And in this thread we get caught up in semantics.

This side kerfluffle, best I can tell, boils down to whether the terms "disease" and "disorder" can/cannot be used interchangeably.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by hollmt

Like I mentioned already, I have read both sides. I guess though, in the end, I formed my opinion based on life experiences. I saw people choose to do drugs, I saw my dad choose to pick up a bottle and get drunk and then beat the shit out of my mom and hit me. Those were choices. The argument can be made that the drugs and alcohol then affected their brain after to continue the 'choice' but bottom line is, the initial choice was that persons and for the most part, so was the subsequent choices to continue doing the destructive behavior. This is the same as Jared and sexual predators. I just do not, cannot, will NOT accept that fact that these people don't have a choice in the matter.

I feel like you are using the term "choice" both ontologically and existentially.

If one must act to be, then yes, we should only judge someone by their actions- regardless of intent/choice.

However, if one can be before acting, then our judgment of them is more complicated.

Can a person be an alcoholic without ever getting drunk? Is one only an alcoholic/pedophile/addict when they are in the act?

Does essence of a person remain an alcoholic/pedophile/addict forever- regardless of choosing to act out?

I think there is a middle ground. Disability does not mean lack accountability, it means both the community and the individual have an obligation to prevent destructive choices. Understanding what someone is can help us and the person understand the consequences of their choices.

[Suicane75]

And they say that alcoholics are always alcoholics
Even when they're as dry as my lips for years
Even when they're stranded on a small desert island
With no place within 2,000 miles to buy beer.

[CU Tiger]

You are diabetic. It wasnt a choice. Many other people are also diabetic but largely influenced, if not our right caused, by their health choices.

Since fat, lazy, slobs get diabetes because they choose to flood their bodies with horrible, poisonous amounts of sugar does that also mean that your diabetes is not a disease?

Addiction is deep in my family as is diabetes(both T1 and T2 fwiw). I'm pretty sensitive to both. I think both are identical based on my personal observations.

There are both consenting and dissenting beliefs in the medical/science community but the current accepted standard is tat it is a disease. If you personally choose to believe the world is flat and some other noted sailors likewise believe it flat it doesnt make it any less round.

[stevew]

Subway alerted about Jared Fogle allegations? Second woman says she attempted contact.

Yeah, so when did Subway know this? I might be done with the chain forever. Although we have a lot of immigrant owned locations in the area and I feel like the local franchisees are not responsible, so I'm kind of torn.

[miami_fan]

I expect this post to resurface when the reports come out about the massive cover up but I am really not seeing the benefit of Subway protecting Jared the Molester. It is not like he can rush the quarterback or anything.

[NobodyHere]

Just when you thought Jared couldn't get any more unlikable.

Jared Fogle's charity foundation never paid a dime to fight childhood obesity

[Kodos]

Wow.

[Suicane75]

Listen man, underage hookers aint cheap.

[bhlloy]

We can only hope for some unplanned gen pop time for Jared while a guard is busy looking the other way.

[NobodyHere]

People who wish for prison rape are simply sadists.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

People who wish for prison rape are simply sadists.

Yeah.

I simply hope he gets some help before being released back into society.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

People who wish for prison rape are simply sadists.

Yeah I never could understand the "I hope he gets raped" angle either. So they are ok with let's say a guy who murdered a man and his family getting his jollies raping Jared? What screwed up logic is that? Child porn not ok, murder/prison rape ok.

[bhlloy]

Eh, not where I was going with that at all but I can obviously see why you'd take it that way. I'd be perfectly fine with him getting a kicking or three though.

[stevew]

I def hope his time is hard, but after the 7th time I saw the "I got a footlong for you Jared" meme I was pretty depressed with the state of the world.

For starters, statistically(like <1%) it's so unlikely that guy has a 12 inch penis.

#FactCheck

[Grover]

Originally Posted by stevew

I def hope his time is hard, but after the 7th time I saw the "I got a footlong for you Jared" meme I was pretty depressed with the state of the world.

For starters, statistically(like <1%) it's so unlikely that guy has a 12 inch penis.

#FactCheck

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3...=-AQG_nmnw&s=1

They could use this guy.

[Galaxy]

The woman who brought down Jared Fogle, Russell Taylor

[Subby]

Jared Fogle Reportedly Brags*in Secretly Recorded Tapes*About Sex With Children*

[Kodos]

Dear god. Sick bastard.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Dear god. Sick bastard.

Yeah. They need to put him away for a long time and make sure he gets the mental health treatment he needs before putting him back on the streets.