NBA Playoffs - Page 4

stevew · 05-03-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Things have been pretty bad for the Grizzlies, but they're turning it around (in the regular season, anyway). When Hubie Brown joined the team, he really made Jason Williams into a textbook point guard. Could he help take over a game like Bibby? No, but Williams didn't turn the ball over, and he really reeled in those crazy passes and didn't complain. I don't think they lost much by having Williams at point guard instead of Bibby.

With that said, now that Williams is gone, the Grizzlies need a point guard again. Chucky Atkins was decent, but when he's your best PG, something's wrong. Damon Stoudamire only played a third of the season, and Bobby Jackson was just horrible when asked to play the point. Not counting Stoudamire's mini-season, Pau Gasol led the team in assists.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that Jerry West has just lost his mind over the past two or three years. Lorenzen Wright is an average center, but he made $7.7 million this year. Brian Cardinal still has four years left on his unfathomable contract at an average of just over $6 million per year. Eddie Jones is still a pretty good player, but he's scheduled to make $15.6 million next year, which is just too much for him. Can we get a point guard down there? Please? The only credit I can give Jerry West is that he let Stromile Swift leave, and a 6-year-old would have enough basketball savvy to make that move.

After analyzing the team this way, I almost want Pete Chilcutt back.

He inheireted the Wright contract IIRC. The Cardinal one made little sense, although chances are that someone else was chomping at the bit to offer him that much. After all, he had just shot 44% from 3. Of course it looks horrible now. Eddie Jones's contract came over from the Heat...maybe he'll bring back something good next year as he's expiring.

miami_fan · 05-03-2006, 07:50 PM

First off, I am not looking specifically at the Raja Bell foul/assault. I am just curious what everyone's thoughts on the general idea of a "playoff hard foul". In the past the mantra was no lay-ups in the playoffs. You were supposed to put a guy on the floor before you allowed a lay-up/dunk. The reasoning was twofold. First, you made him earn the two points at the line. Second, you made him think about whether it was in his best interests to enter the lane again. That was a part of the game that was understood by all in the game though not necessarly like by some. It just the way the game was played. I don’t see that being an acceptable part of the game anymore. It reminds me of the way a brushback pitch was viewed in the past and the way it is viewed today. So is there a place for the hard foul?

larrymcg421 · 05-03-2006, 09:34 PM

That was a terrible call against LeBron.

wade moore · 05-03-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

First off, I am not looking specifically at the Raja Bell foul/assault. I am just curious what everyone's thoughts on the general idea of a "playoff hard foul". In the past the mantra was no lay-ups in the playoffs. You were supposed to put a guy on the floor before you allowed a lay-up/dunk. The reasoning was twofold. First, you made him earn the two points at the line. Second, you made him think about whether it was in his best interests to enter the lane again. That was a part of the game that was understood by all in the game though not necessarly like by some. It just the way the game was played. I don’t see that being an acceptable part of the game anymore. It reminds me of the way a brushback pitch was viewed in the past and the way it is viewed today. So is there a place for the hard foul?

They were pretty rough on LeBron in game 2... and even in the Lakers game before the Bell hit, they were getting away with a lot...

wade moore · 05-03-2006, 10:33 PM

One heck of a comeback to take it to OT by the Wiz.

Vince · 05-03-2006, 10:38 PM

Wow, that was an amazing layup by Snow.

Vince · 05-03-2006, 10:53 PM

Damn, that was some pathetic defense by LeBron -- I know it's tough to stop Gilbert Arenas one-on-one, but he just backed down the entire way and almost didn't even contest that layup.

stevew · 05-03-2006, 11:02 PM

Holy shit, thats why he doesnt want to foul out Vince.

Vince · 05-03-2006, 11:02 PM

That was amazing.

wade moore · 05-03-2006, 11:04 PM

Wow.

Defense could have been better by the Wiz, but still.. that was just incredible. I can't believe he's 21 years old.

wade moore · 05-03-2006, 11:04 PM

although.. as they replay it, it seems like he took 4 or 5 steps.. but i guess that's normal in the NBA

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stevew · 05-03-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

although.. as they replay it, it seems like he took 4 or 5 steps.. but i guess that's normal in the NBA

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There's that one dribble that is hard to see.

Jamison lived up to his rep as one of the worst defenders in the league on that one.

Vince · 05-03-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Holy shit, thats why he doesnt want to foul out Vince.

I only caught the end of the game, and I didn't realize he had 5 fouls. Amazing presence of mind to not contest that layup when you're only up by 1 in OT...

stevew · 05-03-2006, 11:31 PM

The Wiz also apparently had 2 timeouts left there at the end. Seems like they could have at least had a chance to win instead of launching a 65 footer. Don't know what the hell they were thinking.

cmp · 05-05-2006, 12:19 AM

Another good game between the Suns and Lakers going on right now. This has been a fun series to watch.

Young Drachma · 05-05-2006, 12:23 AM

Ok Kobe. Go ahead and take their lives away. Show 'em why Steve Nash isn't the MVP.

Groundhog · 05-05-2006, 12:25 AM

Yup, time to see if Kobe can do what he's done 6 times before - hit a game winner.

Groundhog · 05-05-2006, 12:26 AM

dola

Nope, off to OT.

jbmagic · 05-05-2006, 12:27 AM

The Lakers is Making Tim Thomas into an all star.

A foul to give, they should of foul him at the end.

kingfc22 · 05-05-2006, 12:29 AM

Kobe looked like he short amred that last second shot.

Groundhog · 05-05-2006, 12:31 AM

Suns playing well in OT, Diaw turning it up.

Groundhog · 05-05-2006, 12:32 AM

If they kept an "Aley-oops Per Game" stat, surely Shawn Marion would lead the league by a Wilt Chamberlain-esque margin?

kingfc22 · 05-05-2006, 12:33 AM

Only Odom or Bryant should be shooting the ball in OT. And Kwame if it's a dunk.

Young Drachma · 05-05-2006, 12:35 AM

Suns are hungry, Lakers better close this thing out.

Young Drachma · 05-05-2006, 12:35 AM

Not looking good..

Young Drachma · 05-05-2006, 12:35 AM

ballgame.

kingfc22 · 05-05-2006, 12:36 AM

Game 7

Groundhog · 05-05-2006, 12:36 AM

Lamar Odom's regular season stats: 14.8ppg, 9.2rpg, 5.5apg
Lamar Odom's playoff stats vs suns: 20.0ppg, 12.2rpg, 4.6apg (excl. today)

Crapshoot · 05-05-2006, 12:40 AM

What a game - seriously. This series singlehandedly is rekindling my interest in the NBA.

Is anyone else impressed as heck by Kobe Bryant ? Some of the shots he's made tonight (that little twirl, twirl the other way, sit back on one foot and shoot) hve been .. surreal.

Crapshoot · 05-05-2006, 12:40 AM

Another Kobe 3 - how the hell is he making these ?

kingfc22 · 05-05-2006, 12:41 AM

I can't wait for the Kobe vs. Bell battle to resume on Sunday.

kingfc22 · 05-05-2006, 12:42 AM

Somehow this game is still not over especially if George hits all 3.

Young Drachma · 05-05-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

What a game - seriously. This series singlehandedly is rekindling my interest in the NBA.

Is anyone else impressed as heck by Kobe Bryant ? Some of the shots he's made tonight (that little twirl, twirl the other way, sit back on one foot and shoot) hve been .. surreal.

First game I've watched this playoffs, all because of the highlights I kept missing of Kobe.

Now if only he had real help on that team. No one else is getting it done. And the fans are expecting to be let down.

jbmagic · 05-05-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

First game I've watched this playoffs, all because of the highlights I kept missing of Kobe.

Now if only he had real help on that team. No one else is getting it done. And the fans are expecting to be let down.

The Lakers had this game. Up by 3 and they didnt foul Tim Thomas with a foul to give was a big big mistake. Kwame Brown ran away from him.

Why the hell the Lakers let Tim Thomas shoot that 3 at end of the game?

Damn. This sucks big time.

stevew · 05-05-2006, 12:46 AM

Tim Thomas has done a lot to rekindle his reputation in this series. I really like watching Diaw play.

stevew · 05-05-2006, 12:47 AM

dola
I do wish that these games could start at an earlier time, 1:45 finishes suck for those of us on the east coast.

Fouts · 05-05-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

The Lakers had this game. Up by 3 and they didnt foul Tim Thomas with a foul to give was a big big mistake. Kwame Brown ran away from him.

Why the hell the Lakers let Tim Thomas shoot that 3 at end of the game?

Damn. This sucks big time.

Nah, Kwame made a huge mistake by leaving his feet. Thomas may have a big nose, but he has hit some big shots this series.

stevew · 05-05-2006, 12:50 AM

There is no way they could have fouled Thomas there at the end. He'd have been shooting 3, or hell, may have gotten a 4 point play. And I don't think they had a foul to give at that point, IIRC parker had fouled Nash previously.

jbmagic · 05-05-2006, 12:54 AM

I am very disappointed.

This took the air out of me tonight.

For Lakers to win game 7, they need to hold Phoenix under 100 points or the Lakers will lose.

Neon_Chaos · 05-05-2006, 12:55 AM

Great match. Great series. Can't wait for Game 7! Go Lakers!

stevew · 05-05-2006, 09:57 PM

Man, I can't believe Arenas just hit that 32 footer to send the game into overtime.

Terps · 05-05-2006, 09:59 PM

Arenas is god. Go Wiz!

Crapshoot · 05-05-2006, 10:01 PM

Caron Butler, as a SF, has 20 boards. How the hell did that happen ?

stevew · 05-05-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Caron Butler, as a SF, has 20 boards. How the hell did that happen ?

He's good, Cleveland hasn't had much of a rebounding package on the floor tonight, Butler is playing the 4 all night pretty much, also.

wade moore · 05-05-2006, 10:03 PM

Man.. The Wiz are giving me heartaches.. they really should have won in regulation before they let the cavs catch up. I hope they pull it off in OT.

Crapshoot · 05-05-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

He's good, Cleveland hasn't had much of a rebounding package on the floor tonight, Butler is playing the 4 all night pretty much, also.

Cool - didn't realize that. I thought Jamison's playing the 4, with Haywood at the 5.

stevew · 05-05-2006, 10:10 PM

Haywood has been clutch when he's been in there.

wade moore · 05-05-2006, 10:10 PM

OMG. What the crap kind of pass was that?!

wade moore · 05-05-2006, 10:10 PM

Don't get me wrong, it makes me happy, but wow.

stevew · 05-05-2006, 10:14 PM

Costly misses there.

05-03-2006, 07:50 PM	#152
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Is there a place in today's NBA for the "playoff hard foul" First off, I am not looking specifically at the Raja Bell foul/assault. I am just curious what everyone's thoughts on the general idea of a "playoff hard foul". In the past the mantra was no lay-ups in the playoffs. You were supposed to put a guy on the floor before you allowed a lay-up/dunk. The reasoning was twofold. First, you made him earn the two points at the line. Second, you made him think about whether it was in his best interests to enter the lane again. That was a part of the game that was understood by all in the game though not necessarly like by some. It just the way the game was played. I don’t see that being an acceptable part of the game anymore. It reminds me of the way a brushback pitch was viewed in the past and the way it is viewed today. So is there a place for the hard foul?

05-03-2006, 09:34 PM	#153
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05-03-2006, 10:38 PM	#156
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05-03-2006, 10:53 PM	#157
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Damn, that was some pathetic defense by LeBron -- I know it's tough to stop Gilbert Arenas one-on-one, but he just backed down the entire way and almost didn't even contest that layup. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

05-03-2006, 11:02 PM	#159
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	That was amazing. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

05-03-2006, 11:02 PM	#158
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Holy shit, thats why he doesnt want to foul out Vince.

05-03-2006, 11:31 PM	#164
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The Wiz also apparently had 2 timeouts left there at the end. Seems like they could have at least had a chance to win instead of launching a 65 footer. Don't know what the hell they were thinking.

05-05-2006, 12:19 AM	#165
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	Another good game between the Suns and Lakers going on right now. This has been a fun series to watch.

05-05-2006, 12:23 AM	#166
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Ok Kobe. Go ahead and take their lives away. Show 'em why Steve Nash isn't the MVP. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods Last edited by Young Drachma : 05-05-2006 at 12:23 AM.

05-05-2006, 12:25 AM	#167
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05-05-2006, 12:26 AM	#168
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	dola Nope, off to OT. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-05-2006, 12:27 AM	#169
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	The Lakers is Making Tim Thomas into an all star. A foul to give, they should of foul him at the end.

05-05-2006, 12:29 AM	#170
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Kobe looked like he short amred that last second shot. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-05-2006, 12:31 AM	#171
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Suns playing well in OT, Diaw turning it up. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-05-2006, 12:32 AM	#172
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	If they kept an "Aley-oops Per Game" stat, surely Shawn Marion would lead the league by a Wilt Chamberlain-esque margin? __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-05-2006, 12:33 AM	#173
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Only Odom or Bryant should be shooting the ball in OT. And Kwame if it's a dunk. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-05-2006, 12:35 AM	#174
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Suns are hungry, Lakers better close this thing out. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

05-05-2006, 12:35 AM	#175
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Not looking good.. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

05-05-2006, 12:35 AM	#176
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	ballgame. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

05-05-2006, 12:36 AM	#177
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Game 7 __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-05-2006, 12:36 AM	#178
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Lamar Odom's regular season stats: 14.8ppg, 9.2rpg, 5.5apg Lamar Odom's playoff stats vs suns: 20.0ppg, 12.2rpg, 4.6apg (excl. today) __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-05-2006, 12:40 AM	#179
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	What a game - seriously. This series singlehandedly is rekindling my interest in the NBA. Is anyone else impressed as heck by Kobe Bryant ? Some of the shots he's made tonight (that little twirl, twirl the other way, sit back on one foot and shoot) hve been .. surreal.

05-05-2006, 12:40 AM	#180
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Another Kobe 3 - how the hell is he making these ?

05-05-2006, 12:41 AM	#181
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I can't wait for the Kobe vs. Bell battle to resume on Sunday. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-05-2006, 12:42 AM	#182
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Somehow this game is still not over especially if George hits all 3. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-05-2006, 12:46 AM	#185
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Tim Thomas has done a lot to rekindle his reputation in this series. I really like watching Diaw play.

05-05-2006, 12:47 AM	#186
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	dola I do wish that these games could start at an earlier time, 1:45 finishes suck for those of us on the east coast.

05-05-2006, 12:50 AM	#188
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	There is no way they could have fouled Thomas there at the end. He'd have been shooting 3, or hell, may have gotten a 4 point play. And I don't think they had a foul to give at that point, IIRC parker had fouled Nash previously. Last edited by stevew : 05-05-2006 at 12:51 AM.

05-05-2006, 12:54 AM	#189
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	I am very disappointed. This took the air out of me tonight. For Lakers to win game 7, they need to hold Phoenix under 100 points or the Lakers will lose.

05-05-2006, 12:55 AM	#190
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Great match. Great series. Can't wait for Game 7! Go Lakers! __________________ Come and see.

05-05-2006, 09:57 PM	#191
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Man, I can't believe Arenas just hit that 32 footer to send the game into overtime.

05-05-2006, 09:59 PM	#192
Terps College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001	Arenas is god. Go Wiz!

05-05-2006, 10:01 PM	#193
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Caron Butler, as a SF, has 20 boards. How the hell did that happen ?

05-05-2006, 10:10 PM	#197
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Haywood has been clutch when he's been in there.

05-05-2006, 10:14 PM	#200
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Costly misses there.