NBA Draft! - Page 4

Schmidty · 06-28-2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well I don't know. I don't really see all that huge of a fan base for the Celts. Historically yes. But really the only people I see with Celtics apparel on these days are fat smelly middle-aged or old men. And unless I'm mistaken it's not like they're doing great on ticket sales. They've pretty much lost the "casual" fans here in Boston till they recover anyways, so they might as well take it all the way to the tank. At least, that's what I would do. That's always been my motto, if you can't win it all, or at least compete to win it all, tank as bad as you can. But I guess that's easier done in a digital world than in the real world.

Are you fat and smelly?

vtbub · 06-28-2005, 08:52 PM

Celtic ratings are horrible, and when interest perked against Indy, Pierce had a meltdown.

The consensus is they have gone as far as they can with Paul.

DaddyTorgo · 06-28-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Are you fat and smelly?

smelly...no. although i am sensitive to the metal they use in anti-perspirants so i hafta wear straight deoderant.

fat...6ft, 235 with a lil paunch.

last time i actually sat and watched a full Celtics game was prolly ohh...that playoff series against the Pacers what...last year i wanna say?

vtbub · 06-28-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Are you fat and smelly?

I've been full figured for a while and it's in the 80's in my apartment, so if my Degree wears out....

dawgfan · 06-28-2005, 09:03 PM

Gee, just what the Sonics needed - another C project...

digamma · 06-28-2005, 09:07 PM

How does the Jack to Portland trade make any sense for the Blazers?

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

How about Bynum to the Lakers?

Somebody is looking at this kid and they're thinking they can create him into their own Shaqlike creature. He's a big boy. If he gets into NBA shape, he could be a monster at the NBA level.

Or just a huge flop.

lol

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:09 PM

I think Charlotte did a good job getting those two UNC guys, especially off successful years. The team is figuring they can market them well and get butts into the seats. Plus, with Okafor - another proven winner in college - they've got a nice core for themselves there, with a team that overacheived last season. I like those picks, though they could've been more "daring" maybe.

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:12 PM

Anybody seen this Jason Maxiell kid play at all at Cincy? He has the look of a beast for Detroit, a place where Big Ben managed to get his game together, as well as Rip Hamilton. So he fits the caricature of the type of player they like to bring into the fold.

Certainly better than say, a Darko. I wonder if they'll try to demote Darko to the NBDL next year, since they can do that with players in their first two years. Or because he's in year 3, he won't be able to go..

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:14 PM

That Antonie Wright kid for the Nets looks like he could be the scorer they've been missing the past few years. Now if they could deal Kidd. I was thinking before I wanted him to stay around as a floor general. But he's gonna keep getting hurt and broken down and someone would get him, especially since his stock is up and all. I think he'd be worth dealing and getting a young player and a pick or so.

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:15 PM

I think Garcia will be a decent NBA player, especially in Sacto where he'll get to shoot.

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:22 PM

Did Tony Parker consult in this draft? The Spurs picked another French player.

miami_fan · 06-28-2005, 09:25 PM

Very nice pick for the Heat as long as he stays healthy. Have a nice day Christian

dawgfan · 06-28-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I think Garcia will be a decent NBA player, especially in Sacto where he'll get to shoot.

I only saw him in the NCAA Tournament, but he impressed me - seemed like a pretty good passer and a deadly shooter. Not a great defender, but with effort he could be reasonable in a team defense scheme. I was hoping the Sonics would get him...

Karlifornia · 06-28-2005, 09:30 PM

I thought the Knicks would take Stoudamire there and have an Arizona reunion...just 9 picks...come on...nobody pick salim.

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

I only saw him in the NCAA Tournament, but he impressed me - seemed like a pretty good passer and a deadly shooter. Not a great defender, but with effort he could be reasonable in a team defense scheme. I was hoping the Sonics would get him...

He's an older player - already 23 - has the New York pedigree and has a good basketball IQ. I think that his lackluster play during parts of college, was really boredom with the hum-drum of the college game. Getting paid tends to change some players and I think that the right system matters for a lot of guys, especially in today's NBA.

He ought to standout. This is one of the better drafts in years. It allows us to focus on all the players, rather than just 1 or 2 huge stars at the top. Should be fun to see how pans out vs. who doesn't.

Karlifornia · 06-28-2005, 09:37 PM

Darn.

miami_fan · 06-28-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

I thought the Knicks would take Stoudamire there and have an Arizona reunion...just 9 picks...come on...nobody pick salim.

He is going to ATL

Young Drachma · 06-28-2005, 09:40 PM

But hey, the Knicks will get 5'9" Nate Robinson, who could be a fan favourite in NYC after a few years. The guy has game, short or not.

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In between, 5-9 point guard Nate Robinson went 21st to Phoenix, which quickly packaged him with guard Quentin Richardson in a long-simmering trade with New York. The Suns were to receive center Kurt Thomas and the Knicks' second-round pick, 54th overall, after the deal was approved by league lawyers.

korme · 06-28-2005, 09:41 PM

I don't like Maxiell going to the Pistons, I'd rather him have gone to somewhere like Charlotte were he could get get minutes. If Brown stays he will not play.

korme · 06-28-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Anybody seen this Jason Maxiell kid play at all at Cincy? He has the look of a beast for Detroit, a place where Big Ben managed to get his game together, as well as Rip Hamilton. So he fits the caricature of the type of player they like to bring into the fold.

Certainly better than say, a Darko. I wonder if they'll try to demote Darko to the NBDL next year, since they can do that with players in their first two years. Or because he's in year 3, he won't be able to go..

He's undersized but definitely a PF, not a SF. Same problem Fortson had coming out, but Maxiell is more athletic and a better leaper. Great off the ball blocker, he is only about 6'7 but his wingspan is 7'3. I hope he gets to showcase his talent. Good mid range turn around jump shooter. I'd say that was his shot selection 50% at Cincinnati. (edit: Changed it from 60% to 50% cause he dunked alot.)

As for Jack to Portland, it didn't make much sense for Denver to keep him either. Is Lenard a free agent? If not, they now have Boykins, Miller, Johnson, Lenard, and Hodge in a logjam at 1 and 2.

I'm not to happy with Houston selecting Head either, as they also have a ton of guards (Sura, James, Wesley, Barry, McGrady....).

I'm glad to see my other team Boston getting the steal of the draft in Gerald Green. He just looks like he can be an absolute stud.

I love the draft where I can speculate on how poorly the NBA GMs do.

digamma · 06-28-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

As for Jack to Portland, it didn't make much sense for Denver to keep him either.

Agree there. I knew it was a trade when I heard the pick. I just wouldn't have guessed Portland.

Karlifornia · 06-28-2005, 10:00 PM

Monta Ellis...huh. Anybody know anything about this kid?

miami_fan · 06-28-2005, 10:22 PM

I thought the Wizards would NEVER pick a high school again after Kwame

vtbub · 06-28-2005, 10:27 PM

My word, all the HS kids.

Arles · 06-28-2005, 10:32 PM

Looks like Phoenix just got their replacement for Q - if the rumored trade of Q and Nate Robinson for Thomas and the 54th is accurate.

miami_fan · 06-28-2005, 10:42 PM

The only team whose draft I truly HATE was Toronto's. I may have chosen one guy over another but at least I can understand the thought process. Even after hearing Rob Babcock explain himself, I STILL have no clue what they were thinking.

Shkspr · 06-28-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

I thought the Wizards would NEVER pick a high school again after Kwame

On the bright side, this kid looks like one of the top ten, maybe top 25 players to come out of high school this year and forego their college careers. If he produces just half of what Kwame did...

...um, is Darko available in a trade?

Sublime 2 · 06-28-2005, 10:59 PM

I LOOOVED the Celtics Draft! Green was a great gift, especially since they were strongly considering taking Gomes at 18 (who they ended up getting at 50). Don't know much about Orien Greene but in Danny Ainge I trust.

LloydLungs · 06-28-2005, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

Don't know much about Orien Greene but in Danny Ainge I trust.

I saw Orien Greene play a lot in college. He is an animal on defense. He was a pretty good offensive threat in the Sun Belt Conference but I don't think he'll provide much offensively at the NBA level. Mainly a very athletic defensive specialist guard. Dunno if that'll be enough to make the team but we'll see.

Radii · 06-29-2005, 01:13 AM

woohoo Tar Heels

If I ever watch the NBA again, I'd be a Bobcats fan even before this draft just because of proximity, but now, I might actually watch a few Bobcats games if I can over the next few years.

Other than that... Portland confuses me, as do all the underclassmen who come out just to be low 1st round or 2nd round picks. And any high school kid that isn't a lock for the lottery needs to go to college, or JC, or something.

MrBug708 · 06-29-2005, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Looks like Phoenix just got their replacement for Q - if the rumored trade of Q and Nate Robinson for Thomas and the 54th is accurate.

You sure Dijon will help? He's good at everything, but not gifted at anything....

Arles · 06-29-2005, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

You sure Dijon will help? He's good at everything, but not gifted at anything....

I don't know that he will be asked to step in all that much off the bat. In 05, they will have Johnson, Marion, Nash, Barbosa and Jim Jackson - so minutes will be at a premium for the 2 and 3 spots. But, I think he can be that catch-and-shoot deep threat that Q was over the next few seasons and take over for Jim Jackson down the road. There's also a rumor that Phoenix may grab Michael Finley if Dallas ends up using their salary exemption on him.

Samdari · 06-29-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

I LOOOVED the Celtics Draft! Green was a great gift, especially since they were strongly considering taking Gomes at 18 (who they ended up getting at 50). Don't know much about Orien Greene but in Danny Ainge I trust.

With the plethora of decent players the wizards have, why take a safe, decent player in the second round here. Might as well take a gamble, swing for the fences guy with the 49th pick - beats doing so with #1.

Now, if the Bullez had a top 5 pick again, I bet they would take a more proven commodity.

st.cronin · 06-29-2005, 09:42 AM

I had the point guards rated: Paul, Felton, Jack, Williams. I think Utah will regret that pick. I saw Williams play quite a bit, and he's definitely NOT the reason Illinois was so good - he's ok, but I'll be surprised if he's not a huge disappointment to the Jazz.

MrBug708 · 06-29-2005, 11:14 AM

I think you are putting the wrong emphasis on the PG's. You seen to list them on how explosive they can be and how much they can score, which is not Williams strength. He seems much more apt at leading a team and controlling the offense.

st.cronin · 06-29-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think you are putting the wrong emphasis on the PG's. You seen to list them on how explosive they can be and how much they can score, which is not Williams strength. He seems much more apt at leading a team and controlling the offense.

An odd comment since he didn't really control Illinois' offense, at least not most of the time. He was basically their defensive point guard, not their primary ball-handler - that job was split more or less evenly between Williams, Brown, and Head.

bbor · 06-29-2005, 12:00 PM

Just cancelled my Raptors seasons tickets till Badcock is gone.

Icy · 06-29-2005, 12:21 PM

What do you guys think or what is said about the 11th overal pick, F.Vazquez To Orlando? is he known there? are the fans happy? I'm curious as of course in Spain that are really big news as it's not usual to have a Spanish guy drafted (apart from Gasol and Raul Lopez).

jbmagic · 06-29-2005, 12:23 PM

i think the Toronto pick was for the Lakers.

there pick and Jalen rose to the lakers for the #10 pick they drafted.

that the rumour in Laker land on the radio.

ShaefIllini · 06-29-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

An odd comment since he didn't really control Illinois' offense, at least not most of the time. He was basically their defensive point guard, not their primary ball-handler - that job was split more or less evenly between Williams, Brown, and Head.

Williams was definitely the primary ball handler for Illinois, and the top defender.

MikeVic · 06-29-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

i think the Toronto pick was for the Lakers.

there pick and Jalen rose to the lakers for the #10 pick they drafted.

that the rumour in Laker land on the radio.

Wha??

So the #7 and Rose for the #10? Please say no.

bbor · 06-29-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Wha??

So the #7 and Rose for the #10? Please say no.

Sounds EXACTLY like something Badcock would do.I'm surprised he did'nt throw in the 16th pick also.

jbmagic · 06-29-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Wha??

So the #7 and Rose for the #10? Please say no.

that what the la radio sports talk shows are saying.

the lakers will probably have to add another player like deveon george because has one year contract left and that will give toronto some more cap room next season. and at the same time get rid of jalen rose contract.

MikeVic · 06-29-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

that what the la radio sports talk shows are saying.

the lakers will probably have to add another player like deveon george because has one year contract left and that will give toronto some more cap room next season. and at the same time get rid of jalen rose contract.

I still see a problem with this. Sure, they want to get rid of Jalen's contract... but to sacrifice in the draft to get cap room to rebuild? You don't rebuild by sacrificing anything to do with the draft...

st.cronin · 06-29-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I still see a problem with this. Sure, they want to get rid of Jalen's contract... but to sacrifice in the draft to get cap room to rebuild? You don't rebuild by sacrificing anything to do with the draft...

There were a couple of similiar deals last year, where teams traded a player and a pick for a lower pick.

jbmagic · 06-29-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I still see a problem with this. Sure, they want to get rid of Jalen's contract... but to sacrifice in the draft to get cap room to rebuild? You don't rebuild by sacrificing anything to do with the draft...

maybe the Lakers told toronto who to pick at #7. and then the Lakers drafted for toronto at #10.

that why a lot of people was shock with toronto pick when they already have a good player at that position.

rkmsuf · 06-29-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

maybe the Lakers told toronto who to pick at #7. and then the Lakers drafted for toronto at #10.

that why a lot of people was shock with toronto pick when they already have a good player at that position.

I don't get that. Neither one of those guys figured to be gone by 10 anyway.

Pick your own players!

Samdari · 06-29-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

There were a couple of similiar deals last year, where teams traded a player and a pick for a lower pick.

They are not going to happen this year. This year, in a special one-time provision in the new CBA, teams get to waive one player. They have to pay him, but get back the cap and luxury tax. Rose is almost certainly going to be one of those players.

MikeVic · 06-29-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

maybe the Lakers told toronto who to pick at #7. and then the Lakers drafted for toronto at #10.

that why a lot of people was shock with toronto pick when they already have a good player at that position.

So the Lakers were scared that Charlie wouldn't be available at #10? I wanted to see the Raptors improve this year... hopefully whatever happens does just that.

06-28-2005, 08:52 PM	#152
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Celtic ratings are horrible, and when interest perked against Indy, Pierce had a meltdown. The consensus is they have gone as far as they can with Paul. __________________

06-28-2005, 09:09 PM	#158
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I think Charlotte did a good job getting those two UNC guys, especially off successful years. The team is figuring they can market them well and get butts into the seats. Plus, with Okafor - another proven winner in college - they've got a nice core for themselves there, with a team that overacheived last season. I like those picks, though they could've been more "daring" maybe. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

06-28-2005, 09:12 PM	#159
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Anybody seen this Jason Maxiell kid play at all at Cincy? He has the look of a beast for Detroit, a place where Big Ben managed to get his game together, as well as Rip Hamilton. So he fits the caricature of the type of player they like to bring into the fold. Certainly better than say, a Darko. I wonder if they'll try to demote Darko to the NBDL next year, since they can do that with players in their first two years. Or because he's in year 3, he won't be able to go.. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

06-28-2005, 09:14 PM	#160
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	That Antonie Wright kid for the Nets looks like he could be the scorer they've been missing the past few years. Now if they could deal Kidd. I was thinking before I wanted him to stay around as a floor general. But he's gonna keep getting hurt and broken down and someone would get him, especially since his stock is up and all. I think he'd be worth dealing and getting a young player and a pick or so. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

06-28-2005, 09:15 PM	#161
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I think Garcia will be a decent NBA player, especially in Sacto where he'll get to shoot. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

06-28-2005, 09:03 PM	#155
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	Gee, just what the Sonics needed - another C project...

06-28-2005, 09:07 PM	#156
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	How does the Jack to Portland trade make any sense for the Blazers?

06-28-2005, 09:22 PM	#162
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Did Tony Parker consult in this draft? The Spurs picked another French player. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

06-28-2005, 09:25 PM	#163
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Very nice pick for the Heat as long as he stays healthy. Have a nice day Christian

06-28-2005, 09:30 PM	#165
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	I thought the Knicks would take Stoudamire there and have an Arizona reunion...just 9 picks...come on...nobody pick salim. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

06-28-2005, 09:37 PM	#167
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Darn. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

06-28-2005, 09:41 PM	#170
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I don't like Maxiell going to the Pistons, I'd rather him have gone to somewhere like Charlotte were he could get get minutes. If Brown stays he will not play.

06-28-2005, 10:00 PM	#173
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Monta Ellis...huh. Anybody know anything about this kid? __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

06-28-2005, 10:22 PM	#174
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I thought the Wizards would NEVER pick a high school again after Kwame

06-28-2005, 10:27 PM	#175
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	My word, all the HS kids. __________________

06-28-2005, 10:32 PM	#176
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Looks like Phoenix just got their replacement for Q - if the rumored trade of Q and Nate Robinson for Thomas and the 54th is accurate.

06-28-2005, 10:42 PM	#177
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	The only team whose draft I truly HATE was Toronto's. I may have chosen one guy over another but at least I can understand the thought process. Even after hearing Rob Babcock explain himself, I STILL have no clue what they were thinking.

06-28-2005, 10:59 PM	#179
Sublime 2 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Hampshire	I LOOOVED the Celtics Draft! Green was a great gift, especially since they were strongly considering taking Gomes at 18 (who they ended up getting at 50). Don't know much about Orien Greene but in Danny Ainge I trust.

06-29-2005, 01:13 AM	#181
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	woohoo Tar Heels If I ever watch the NBA again, I'd be a Bobcats fan even before this draft just because of proximity, but now, I might actually watch a few Bobcats games if I can over the next few years. Other than that... Portland confuses me, as do all the underclassmen who come out just to be low 1st round or 2nd round picks. And any high school kid that isn't a lock for the lottery needs to go to college, or JC, or something.

06-29-2005, 09:42 AM	#185
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I had the point guards rated: Paul, Felton, Jack, Williams. I think Utah will regret that pick. I saw Williams play quite a bit, and he's definitely NOT the reason Illinois was so good - he's ok, but I'll be surprised if he's not a huge disappointment to the Jazz.

06-29-2005, 11:14 AM	#186
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think you are putting the wrong emphasis on the PG's. You seen to list them on how explosive they can be and how much they can score, which is not Williams strength. He seems much more apt at leading a team and controlling the offense.

06-29-2005, 12:00 PM	#188
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Just cancelled my Raptors seasons tickets till Badcock is gone. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

06-29-2005, 12:21 PM	#189
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	What do you guys think or what is said about the 11th overal pick, F.Vazquez To Orlando? is he known there? are the fans happy? I'm curious as of course in Spain that are really big news as it's not usual to have a Spanish guy drafted (apart from Gasol and Raul Lopez).

06-29-2005, 12:23 PM	#190
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	i think the Toronto pick was for the Lakers. there pick and Jalen rose to the lakers for the #10 pick they drafted. that the rumour in Laker land on the radio.

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