OT: Survivor - Guatamala

[Rockstar]

One thing that would make Survivor better is if they took a page from the show Lost and had a season where two seperate competitions went on at the same time. Meaning there were four tribes in seperate areas. The tribes competed two vs two until there were eight people left in each game. Then the twist was revealed to the Survivors: Your game is only half over. You now "merge" with the two other tribes for a 16 person free for all for $5 million dollars.
That and at least on episode of naked cheerleaders.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

What the hell is Surivor?

No idea what you are talking about.

[TazFTW]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Gary survives another day and it looks like we get a Judd explosion next week.

[FBPro]

Glad to see whacko-Jamie finally gone.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by FBPro

Glad to see whacko-Jamie finally gone.

He is the first person that I can recall that seemingly has lost it mentally.

[Raiders Army]

He was pretty funny at the end. "You blindsided me!"

Wasn't he asking for it? LOL

[Joe]

wow, an alliance breaking down? even if they eliminate judd, they still have the numbers. its just the weaker members of the alliance realizing they would've been next to go. if theyre smart theyll eliminate gary, judd, and danni next. but its survivor, so that won't happen.

[gstelmack]

I think that:

A) He was really starting to annoy the members of his alliance.

B) They didn't really need him to get to the end.

C) Stephanie made a power play to put herself squarely in control of the alliance.

Rafe is clearly in Steph's camp, Lydia seems to be tagging along with Rafe, Danni / Gary seem to have been backed into a corner and paired up, Judd just lost his biggest ally, and we have no clue where Cindy's allegiance lays.

So what do Judd and Cindy do next week? I say Judd joins with Gary and Danni, Steph pulls in Cindy, and we have a 3 v 4 going. I could see Steph trying to dump Judd next, then go after Gary, as Gary is just not winning immunity challenges right now.

[Raiders Army]

I agree with your assessment. Obviously, the alliance has been broken.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I agree with your assessment. Obviously, the alliance has been broken.

I hope that is the case, but I'm not positive. I love it when it isn't just a straight voting process based on Tribal lines. Anytime the power alliance is broken makes for better TV.

[Subby]

I think this stays along tribal lines. Steph and Rafe are in control and probably saw their biggest threat in Jamie. They've done a good job making the numbers work for them so this was the perfect time to get rid of one of their own and start making their alliance more manageable.

I don't see Judd breaking away from Steph. She'll give him the assurances he needs that Jamie was a necessary sacrifice.

The problem with these dominant alliances though is that the people on the fringe (outside the central core) start wondering where they fit in the final four. That's when things start getting flip floppy. If Cindy or Lydia or Judd goes free agent, then things could shift.

And for the love of god, please show more challenges where dannie and steph slink through the mud.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Subby

And for the love of god, please show more challenges where dannie and steph slink through the mud.

Yes, now that was great TV. I wonder what Jamie was thinking when the teams were drawn because as soon as I saw Danni and Steph together I knew it was over. No way in hell that Lydia and Cyndi beat those two.

[Raiders Army]

I would've been pissed that Lydia was still around to make it such an uneven battle. Not only that, but her laughing and smiling while she took the blame for the loss would've pissed me off.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I would've been pissed that Lydia was still around to make it such an uneven battle. Not only that, but her laughing and smiling while she took the blame for the loss would've pissed me off.

outside of his mental unstability, why do you think Jamie wanted the two girl to finish the dang challenge??? I would have forced to walk that muddy path a couple more times...

FM

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by FrogMan

outside of his mental unstability, why do you think Jamie wanted the two girl to finish the dang challenge??? I would have forced to walk that muddy path a couple more times...

FM

Yeah, that was pretty crazy. I'm guessing it's a gamesmanship thing or whatever. FWIW, he seemed pretty honorable but also pretty classless.

I wonder how he and Bobby Jon will get along hanging out waiting for the next person on the jury. Heh heh.

[Maple Leafs]

Based on how last night went, we're really now looking at three alliances. Danni/Gary, Judd/Cyndi and Steph/Rafe/Lydia. The orignal alliance has to be considered broken since Judd/Cyndi were left out of the loop on Jamie.

On the surface it makes sense for Judd/Cyndi to reform their alliance with the other three and just move on. But they should be careful about that -- it's pretty obvious that if that's the final five, Judd and Cyndi will be the next two to go. The same holds true for Gary/Danni if they join the group of three.

The power move here would be for Judd/Cyndi to team up with Gary/Danni. They have the numbers to pick off the other three. They don't owe them any loyalty anymore. And they could wind up in a final four that was evenly split into two groups, giving everyone a shot at victory.

Of course, the easier path would be to just lean on Lydia and get her to jump back to her original alliance. My guess is that's the way it goes, assuming Judd can keep it together long enough to not get himself kicked off the show.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

The orignal alliance has to be considered broken since Judd/Cyndi were left out of the loop on Jamie.

I don't think Cindy was left out of the loop since she voted for Jamie.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

He is the first person that I can recall that seemingly has lost it mentally.

Janu

[Rockstar]

Janu was forced to quit by the host. This show needs a new host really, really bad. I have to laugh though when Jeff shows up for challenges dressed like he is on a big hunt when in reality he just stepped out of an air conditioned RV.

[Raiders Army]

The only way I see this show going really bad is if Lydia makes final 3 and then wins the stamina immunity challenge.

[Ironhead]

Matthew from the Amazon (guy who was constantly sharpening the machete with a crazed look on his face) really freaked out his tribemates. He said at the reunion that he was "just acting" though.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

A) He was really starting to annoy the members of his alliance.

Exactly, if someone asked me the same annoying question 7 times, I'd vote his ass out too.

I'm sure it was a sigh of relief to get him outta here.

[Joe]

Lydia being so worthless in the challenges just makes this part of her profile even better:


Morales works out regularly, including swimming three times per week. She describes herself as spontaneous, energetic and friendly, with a good sense of humor. She believes her personality and physicality gives her what it takes to be the Sole Survivor

[Dutch]

I was relieved when Jamie was voted out. I have to admit, I always end up rooting for the underdogs on Survivor. I'm pulling for Gary or Danni to win the whole thing. From the big alliance, I'm pulling for Steph.

Also, does anybody else think that Judd is really Hell Atlantic? Or is that just me?

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Janu was forced to quit by the host. This show needs a new host really, really bad.....

I think forced to quit is a bit much. Jeff was a bit aggressive with the questioning, and was pushing the "Stephanie will be a fan favorite" agenda, but really Janu wanted to go home. Jeff didn't force her, but he did open the door for her and invite to leave. I like Jeff.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Also, does anybody else think that Judd is really Hell Atlantic? Or is that just me?

LOL. Didn't make the connection, but now I do. Yeah, I agree!

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I think forced to quit is a bit much. Jeff was a bit aggressive with the questioning, and was pushing the "Stephanie will be a fan favorite" agenda, but really Janu wanted to go home. Jeff didn't force her, but he did open the door for her and invite to leave. I like Jeff.

You're right, he didn't force her to leave. It was her choice; however, Jeff has a huge ego and some of his comments are wholly unnecessary.

On the flipside, I'll miss his voice during challenges.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I think forced to quit is a bit much. Jeff was a bit aggressive with the questioning, and was pushing the "Stephanie will be a fan favorite" agenda, but really Janu wanted to go home. Jeff didn't force her, but he did open the door for her and invite to leave. I like Jeff.

count me in the "I like Jeff" camp too. Yeah, he's getting to a point where he's so comfortable in his role that he pushes his questioning at time, but overall, I like what he's doing.

Regarding Janu, I was also under the impression that she really wanted to go home and that editing might have a bit to do with how it looked on screen...

FM

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

LOL. Didn't make the connection, but now I do. Yeah, I agree!

[new york accent]"Just shut up already, you're driving me insane with that crap. Jeez, man, just get out of my face with that. You just don't know when to shut up, man."[/new york accent]

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by FrogMan

count me in the "I like Jeff" camp too. Yeah, he's getting to a point where he's so comfortable in his role that he pushes his questioning at time, but overall, I like what he's doing.

Regarding Janu, I was also under the impression that she really wanted to go home and that editing might have a bit to do with how it looked on screen...

FM

Agreed. I think the show will really lose a good dimension with him gone.

[Swaggs]

Assuming Jeff leaves after this season (or next), who do you guys think will replace him?

I would bet they will try to get by using someone like Colby (from season 2), or maybe a tandem of former Survivors.

[Raiders Army]

I thought I read somewhere that it was going to be a female host when Jeff leaves...and I seem to remember Tina Wesson's name (Survivor Outback) being thrown around.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I thought I read somewhere that it was going to be a female host when Jeff leaves...and I seem to remember Tina Wesson's name (Survivor Outback) being thrown around.

If she gets it shut the whole thing down.

[wishbone]

Maybe they could change the direction of the show just slightly and get Ted Nugent to host.

[Raiders Army]

It'd be funny if Starr Jones was the host. Maybe she would lose some weight.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by FrogMan

count me in the "I like Jeff" camp too. Yeah, he's getting to a point where he's so comfortable in his role that he pushes his questioning at time, but overall, I like what he's doing.

Regarding Janu, I was also under the impression that she really wanted to go home and that editing might have a bit to do with how it looked on screen...

FM

According to the story I heard (might have been in an interview with Probst), the whole conversation lasted over 1 hour. Janu wanted out, but she wanted to stay on the jury. When she was finally convinced that she could vote herself out and remain on the jury, she did so.

[FBPro]

Mrs FBPro told me today that Judd was scheduled to be on some talk show this morning but showed up drunk so they canned him for today.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

If she gets it shut the whole thing down.

Shut 'R Down

[Joe]

Originally Posted by FBPro

Mrs FBPro told me today that Judd was scheduled to be on some talk show this morning but showed up drunk so they canned him for today.

How could he be on a talk show already? I thought they weren't allowed to do interviews until after they are shown to be eliminated on the show?

[TazFTW]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I did like Gary finally outing Judd's idol lie and his comment about the other castaways wanting Steph's autograph. Not sure who to root for now, since I've been on the Hogeboom bandwagon from the start. I won't be Steph as she has gotten more and more annoying. Not Judd because man, he has been such an ass man. Not Cindy because who the hell is Cindy? Lydia has coasted but if she is able to turn the game then I'll give her props. Rafe and Danni are the only ones that have been strong and don't annoy me, so I wouldn't be upset if they make the final 2.

[gkb]

I hated to see Gary go as well. He lasted a couple of weeks longer than it looked like he would.

I don't want to see Steph or Judd win (man). I wouldn't mind Rafe, Cindy, or Danni...although my first choice would probably be Danni.

[korme]

Gary waited too long to pin Judd on the Idol lie. It's not like the survivors had time to rethink or restrategize, knowing Judd lied. Too bad, I was rooting for Gary. I guess I'll root for Danni now. Stephenie def. went from one of my top faves to bottom after her episode tonight.

gkb, that's a funny post, the part about Judd (man). haha.

[Joe]

its about time Gary got the boot

[Raiders Army]

I, too, am rooting for Danni. While I didn't particularly like Steph's attitude last night, I disagree with Lydia's "I deserve to eat" thing. She doesn't deserve shit and she's lucky to be there. It's her fault that Rafe, Cindy, and Jamie didn't eat in the mud challenge.

[CraigSca]

Lydia's self-righteous eating of the lentil soup when the other's got back from the waterfall was nauseating. Suck it up, Lydia. If you constantly bitch, people will get sick of you and vote you off because, believe it or not, you have little value in Survivor.

Stephanie really came across as the mother lion/hyena last night (especially her looking down from the ruins - it looked like the queen looking down at the peasants). I know their final four is going to make it - my only hope is that ANYONE other than Stephanie in that group of 4 takes the crown.

Oh - and Judd is just nuts - was GREAT to see him called out on a lie at the tribal council. To call out Gary on his background dealings was just shocking - it's how you play the game - it's freakin' Survivor, for crying out loud.

[Maple Leafs]

Tough to see Gary go, but more than made up for by him getting in the instant classic "You can all get her autograph after the show" line (and accompanying guffaws from the jury), essentially burying Steph's chances of winning this thing. Brilliant!

Count me as officially on the Rafe bandwagon. He just seems like a genuinely good guy.

[gkb]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

gkb, that's a funny post, the part about Judd (man). haha.

Thanks, although credit where credit is due, I thought this:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Not Judd because man, he has been such an ass man.

Was pretty funny as well and that's really why I threw the (man) in there.

[saldana]

i just started reading this thread today because i have been a week behind until last night (TIVO), and i dont feel like going back over 200 posts...why are we talking about Jeff leaving the show?

[TazFTW]

His contract runs out after this season.

[Rockstar]

I hear Nick Lachey is looking for work.