NFL Week 11

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

Kind of funny seeing McNabb say he didn't know there were ties in the NFL, and being completely serious.

I thought it was more sad than funny actually.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JAG

I'm laughing at you. There's no way the Giants still wouldn't be rolling if he suddenly tore an ACL. Not that he's had a bad year, but the fact that his backups are doing well shows the OL is their real engine.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even watch Giants games? Find the first play of the game today when he bounced into the D line then ran outside for a 25 yard gain against the best run D in the league.

What makes Jacobs amazing has nothing to do with the O-line, it's what he does after he gets past the line, he turns 3 yard gains into 10 yard gains by running people over.

You can make the argument that just about any great back is the product of his line, you think Emmit Smith puts up the numbers he did not playing behind that line?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

After watching GMen and Carolina today, I think this would be a fantastic game come NFC Title Game time I love how they both run the ball, and play physical D. Carolina looked flat today but found a way to win, which is what good teams do.

The only thing standing in Carolinas way is Delhomme was awful the last two weeks. If he even gets back to a game management role, and lets Smith makes plays after the catch the Panthers will do damage.

The same Carolina team that has struggles to beat the Raiders and Lions?

It would be fantastic for Giants fans, since the game would be over by halftime.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The same Carolina team that has struggles to beat the Raiders and Lions?

It would be fantastic for Giants fans, since the game would be over by halftime.

Someone might need to step back into the realm of reality where anyone can win in any given week Declaring that the giants playing against an 8-2 team for the NFC title would be over by halftime when we're only in week 11 is much worse than my week 2 hyperbole stating that Carolina would miss the playoffs.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Radii

Someone might need to step back into the realm of reality where anyone can win in any given week Declaring that the giants playing against an 8-2 team for the NFC title would be over by halftime when we're only in week 11 is much worse than my week 2 hyperbole stating that Carolina would miss the playoffs.

I realize anyone can lose on a given week, but the Panthers have looked horrible in beating 2 really bad teams and the Giants are by far the best team in the NFC

[Radii]

*marks Dec 21 on his calendar*

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Radii

*marks Dec 21 on his calendar*

that game may not matter, but It will be fun watching David Carr tear shit up

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Lathum

GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS

I see.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- People may laugh at me, but Brandon Jacobs should start getting some serious MVP consideration.

10 games in, 11 TD, an 900 rushing yards, all the while sharing the load for a 9-1 team.

I just resisted the urge to change the thread title to NFL Week 11(Brandon Jacobs is the NFL MVP?)

Besides, he's going to have to unseat Rodgers anyways.

[stevew]

And i have no clue which play was a forward lateral in the Pittsburgh game. That was some fucked up reffing.

The only thing I'd say there might be a call against is no advancing a fumble vs Polamalu, maybe. If it was illegal or something for a defensive player to bat a ball that far towards their endzone. Although that's legal i guess.

Who knows, Simms and Nance are both dummies anyways.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by stevew

And i have no clue which play was a forward lateral in the Pittsburgh game. That was some fucked up reffing.

The only thing I'd say there might be a call against is no advancing a fumble vs Polamalu, maybe. If it was illegal or something for a defensive player to bat a ball that far towards their endzone. Although that's legal i guess.

Who knows, Simms and Nance are both dummies anyways.

I never saw anything even close to a forward lateral. I'm in fantasy league using IDP and I'm going up against Polamalu this week. The ruling on that play could very well decide who wins this week. At this point, the feed we're using isn't even giving Polamalu a fumble recovery, much less a forced fumble or of course a TD, I don't know if that's the official final scoring or if that may still be updated, but the only way that could happen is if the official ruling ends up being an illegal forward pass penalty that ends up ending the play at that point. I have no idea, and I care way more than I should given that it doesn't change the outcome of the game in any way

[SirFozzie]

Steelers-Chargers Chaos Rattles Las Vegas - The Fifth Down - Sports - Pro Football - New York Times Blog

11-10 is the final, and there are a LOT of unhappy bettors on the Steelers in Vegas right now. Wonder if the NFL is investigating the refs for ties to gambling?

[larrymcg421]

The only way it would make sense is if the pass that Polamalu knocked down was a forward pass. Because then it would be an incomplete pass and the end of the play. I didn't see a replay of it, but I don't remember it being close to a forward pass.

I say it's time for a gambling investigation.

edit: foz beat me to it.

[stevew]

Yahoo! Sports

Referee says officials errantly voided Steelers TD

By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports Writer 15 minutes ago

PITTSBURGH (AP)—The first 11-10 game in NFL history shouldn’t have ended that way, referee Scott Green said after a last-minute touchdown was errantly taken away from the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.

The officiating mistake didn’t affect the outcome since the Steelers still would have won, but the touchdown would have changed the score to 17-10—or, more likely, 18-10, since the teams were lined up for an extra-point try that was never attempted.

On first-and-10 from San Diego’s 21 with 5 seconds remaining, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers threw a short pass to LaDainian Tomlinson over the middle for 3 yards. Tomlinson turned and made a handoff-type lateral to wide receiver Chris Chambers, who attempted to pitch the ball to a teammate only to have safety Troy Polamalu scoop it up and score from the 12.

Both teams left the field on what looked to be a game-ending play, but were called back by the officials for the extra-point attempt. At that point, the replay official called for a review.

After watching the play, Green initially announced the ruling on the field was upheld and the touchdown counted. But the officiating crew huddled again before the extra-point attempt and changed the call, deciding that an illegal forward pass should have ended the play.

Green, in a postgame interview with a pool reporter, said that call was errant—even though his explanation for the confusion was almost as confusing as the play itself.

“We should have let the play go through in the end, yes,” Green said. “It was misinterpreted that instead of killing the play, we should have let the play go through.”

Green said the confusion occurred because there was a misunderstanding about which lateral was in question.

“The first pass was the one that was illegal, but it only kills the play if it hits the ground,” Green said. “That was incorrect to have killed it at that point. The ruling should have let the play go on. That’s just the way that it played out. We believe the second pass was legal.”

Green was asked why, since the ball didn’t hit the ground during any of the tossing, the officials decided after huddling that the play should have ended.

“We didn’t kill it on the field,” Green said. “After (the) discussion we decided … there was some confusion over which pass we were talking about and it was decided that it was the second pass that was illegal that did hit the ground and therefore we killed the play there.”

However, the officials realized afterward they erred.

“I know,” Green said. “The rule was misinterpreted.”

Asked about the officiating—the Steelers drew 115 yards in penalties to the Chargers’ 5—Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin declined to comment.

“No, I have never seen a game ended with 13-to-1 in penalties, but I am not answering questions about the officiating,” Tomlin said.

The call affected betting on the game since the Steelers were 5-point favorites and would have covered if the touchdown counted.

[stevew]

I don't think penalty distribution is a big deal, but when every wide angle shot seemingly shows James Harrison hooked, tackled, or facemasked, you really gotta wonder why they didn't throw at least on flag on the Chargers for that. Maybe my definition of holding is too much by the book or something.

[Coffee Warlord]

I do so heart Mike Brown.

Originally Posted by Mike Brown, Guaranteed Future NFL Coach

"All I can tell you is that, obviously, our defense isn't what it used to be," Brown said. "Everyone wants it to be what it used to be, and it's not that. It's all about performance, and we haven't been performing well. Wherever we're ranked, that's where we deserve to be ranked, know what I'm saying?

"It is what it is. Once we come to grips that our defense isn't what it's supposed to be, we'll all be better off."

"Our perception is that we have a good defense," Brown said. "The reality is we don't."

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even watch Giants games? Find the first play of the game today when he bounced into the D line then ran outside for a 25 yard gain against the best run D in the league.

What makes Jacobs amazing has nothing to do with the O-line, it's what he does after he gets past the line, he turns 3 yard gains into 10 yard gains by running people over.

You can make the argument that just about any great back is the product of his line, you think Emmit Smith puts up the numbers he did not playing behind that line?

I've seen Jacobs play, as well as their other RB's. Even though I agree he's their best running back and he's having a good year, he's not the difference between the Giants being 9-1 and 5-5. Maybe I don't understand what you use as criteria for being an MVP.

[MIJB#19]

Going into the week I was still flip-dlopping between Eli Manning and David Garrard, but in retrospect, picking up Shaun Hill to start for my fantasy team was a no-brainer decission. I'm pretty happy I made that decission afterall.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JAG

Maybe I don't understand what you use as criteria for being an MVP.

Among the league leaders in catergories relevant to his position- check

has the ability to change a game on his own- check

Makes plays with the ball no other player in the league can make- check

Irreplaceable if he goes down- check

Leader on a winning team- check

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Right now Kurt Warner is the MVP, and I'd argue that it's close to hands-down.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Right now Kurt Warner is the MVP, and I'd argue that it's close to hands-down.

I don't know that it is hands down.. Warner isn't bounds ahead of other QBs in the league as far as his stats go.. But he has been statistically the best QB so far this season, and has led a team that is often thought for dead into a good position to make the playoffs. The biggest reason that he is probably likely to win MVP though is because he is just a great story for the media and fans.

Barring a collapse, I don't really see anyone else winning the MVP over him. It usually goes to a QB unless a running back has a run away year (1700+ yards, etc or in Marshall Faulk's case an insane number of all purpose yards).

[Butter]

Crazy out of his mind with homerism - check

[miked]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Among the league leaders in catergories relevant to his position- check

has the ability to change a game on his own- check

Makes plays with the ball no other player in the league can make- check

Irreplaceable if he goes down- check

Leader on a winning team- check

Well, maybe he'll get the Derek Jeter award by some of those number-less metrics.

He also only accounts for 50% of his team's rushing yards, so he's not really making plays with the ball no other player on his TEAM can make. He's apparently not that irreplaceable, and his leadership role is relatively unknown. Take him out, and the Giants may still well be 6-4 at worse and still in the hunt. Oh, and he has 5 catches so far all season. Sub Leinart for Warner and the Cards are probably with the rest of their division.

He's good, but let's not let fandom get in the way of numbers.

[Arles]

Kurt Warner:
105.5 rating, 71% compl, 3,155 yards, 20 TDs, 7 INT

Next best rated QB: Rivers
100.8 rating, 64.5% compl, 2,513 yards, 21 TDs, 10 INT

Best combo of other similar QBs (300 attempts, 10 TDs):
69.8% compl (Favre), 3,251 yards (Brees), 21 TDs (Rivers), 6 INT (Rodgers)

Warner is with the margin for error with the "Super QB" above. But the best reason for Warner to be in the lead for MVP?
Arizona is ranked 29th in the NFL in rushing yards per game (86.9) and dead last in yards per carry (3.4). So, Arizona is averaging 29 points per game (2nd in the NFL) with virtually no rushing game at all. The other top scoring teams (Giants, Jets, Packers) have much more balance.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Crazy out of his mind with homerism - check

I fully admit to this

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by miked

He also only accounts for 50% of his team's rushing yards, so he's not really making plays with the ball no other player on his TEAM can make. He's apparently not that irreplaceable, and his leadership role is relatively unknown. Take him out, and the Giants may still well be 6-4 at worse and still in the hunt.

He only accounts for 50% because he has sat out alot of 4th quarter blow outs this season. And no one else on his team can turn a 3 yard run into an 11 yard run by running over linebackers and carrying them an additional 5-7 yards. No one in the league does that.

I realize he isn't a realistic candidate but he doesn't get any pub and he deserves it.

[Radii]

Relatively recent RBs to win the MVP:

2006 - Tomlinson - 1815 rushing yards, 28 rushing TDs, 56 rec, 508 yards, 3 rec TD

2005 - Alexander - 1880 rushing yards, 27 rushing TDs

2000 - Faulk - 1359 rushing yards, 18 rushing TD, 81 rec, 830 rec yards, 8 rec TD

1998 - Davis - 2008 rushing yards, 21 rushing TD

1993 - Smith - 1486 rushing yards, 9 rushing TD, 57 rec, 414 rec yards, 1 rec TD *** led the league in rushing despite only playing 14 games


RBs in the last decade to win the MVP have to put up ridiculous numbers, either crazy yardage, tons of receiving yards, or record setting TD numbers. Jacobs doesn't have any of that.

Jacobs is on pace for 1406 yards and 18 TD and has only caught 8 passes so far this season, a solid season, but he's 4th in the league in rushing, and his importance to his team cannot be reasonably considered to be anywhere near that of Kurt Warner leading the Arizona freaking Cardinals to a division title.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Among the league leaders in catergories relevant to his position- check

has the ability to change a game on his own- check

Makes plays with the ball no other player in the league can make- check

Irreplaceable if he goes down- check

Leader on a winning team- check

Nice to see that you could put your homerism aside long enough to make a case for Michael Turner.

[Fighter of Foo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I realize he isn't a realistic candidate but he doesn't get any pub and he deserves it.

You're right. We definitely don't hear enough about the top running back on the Super Bowl champs & top team in the NFC.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

You're right. We definitely don't hear enough about the top running back on the Super Bowl champs & top team in the NFL.

fixed

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

fixed

Every year there is one team that just makes me want to root against them in the playoffs.. It used to be the 49ers, then the cowboys then other various teams at times including green bay, Indy and of course last year it was good to root against New England.

I think this year I will be rooting against the Giants in the playoff. I don't care who beats them as long as they lose.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like the Monday night game should be entertaining to watch in Buffalo tonight. 24 inches of snow on the ground with another 6 inches expected during the game this evening. I'll sit in my 70 degree climate controlled living room and enjoy every moment of it.

[cuervo72]

Ohhh....I love snow in HD.

[Autumn]

Maybe point a fan at you so you get a little taste of their experience.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Maybe point a fan at you so you get a little taste of their experience.

I'll crack a window. It's supposed to be 25 degrees tonight in KC.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Ohhh....I love snow in HD.

Are you related to Lawrence Taylor?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Looks like the Monday night game should be entertaining to watch in Buffalo tonight. 24 inches of snow on the ground with another 6 inches expected during the game this evening. I'll sit in my 70 degree climate controlled living room and enjoy every moment of it.

sounds awesome.

[Lathum]

Donovan McNabb didn't know that NFL games could end in ties - Shutdown Corn... - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[ISiddiqui]

LOL!!!

[Fighter of Foo]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Looks like the Monday night game should be entertaining to watch in Buffalo tonight. 24 inches of snow on the ground with another 6 inches expected during the game this evening. I'll sit in my 70 degree climate controlled living room and enjoy every moment of it.

Can anyone else confirm or deny?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

Can anyone else confirm or deny?

What, you don't trust him?

[stevew]

Assuming trends continue, Warner should win the MVP and get almost all of the first place votes.

[Fighter of Foo]

I'd prefer to get a weather report from someone slightly closer than Missouri, especially since the only reason I care is for gambling purposes.

[Coffee Warlord]

Is it wrong that I checked the Trib's website a bajillion times today in the miniscule hope I'd see "Lovie Fired"?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

I'd prefer to get a weather report from someone slightly closer than Missouri, especially since the only reason I care is for gambling purposes.

Buffalo, New York (14201) Conditions & Forecast : Weather Underground

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

I'd prefer to get a weather report from someone slightly closer than Missouri, especially since the only reason I care is for gambling purposes.

you know you can check the weather for anywhere on the interwebs.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Lathum

you know you can check the weather for anywhere on the interwebs.

What worse, Donovan McNabb not knowing NFL games could end in ties or Fighter of Foo not knowing about weather reports?

"Maybe a lot of the guys haven't been in the league seven years," cornerback Sheldon Brown said, "but I know the rules."
Told his quarterback didn't know the rule, Mornhinweg said: "Yeah, um, yeah, but, uh, I don't know what to say on that one."

[Galaxy]

Man...This game is tough as a Bills fan.

[DeToxRox]

3 INT's from Edwards in the first quarter. Unreal.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

3 INT's from Edwards in the first quarter. Unreal.

I don't get where he is throwing them. The first one I can understand, but jeez. Of course, Dick Jauron is the worst coach in the world.