THE usc vs. NOTRE DAME thread! - Page 4

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 06:40 PM

Probably the craziest ending I've ever seen.

miami_fan · 10-15-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Hey USC, good choice not having instant replay!

Really good choice. If they are reviewing the play, USC does not have the element of surprise with the fake spike

JonInMiddleGA · 10-15-2005, 06:42 PM

Heh heh heh.

cmp · 10-15-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Really good choice. If they are reviewing the play, USC does not have the element of surprise with the fake spike

What fake spike?

illinifan999 · 10-15-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gold101

What fake spike?

you didn't see the coaches and Leinart all motioning to everyone like they were just going to spike it?

dawgfan · 10-15-2005, 06:45 PM

I have no great love for USC being a UW fan, but since I fucking hate the Irish, I'm quite happy with the result.

I'll give Weis credit - he did everything he could to even the talent differential, through his motivational tactics to his coaching. Notre Dame played this game waaaay closer than I would've figured. How the Trojans didn't light up a questionable Irish secondary I don't know (though I've suspected for a few years now that Leinart is over-rated).

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 06:45 PM

I also feel like puking. God I hate USC, and I don't even want them invoved in the national title game.

Galaxy · 10-15-2005, 06:46 PM

ND will somehow still go to a BCS game...

INDalltheway · 10-15-2005, 06:47 PM

Shouldn't the ball be spotted where it went out of bounds??? Meaning the 3 or 4 at least? I didn't agree with the way the Pac-10 officials handled that at the end..

INDalltheway · 10-15-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

ND will somehow still go to a BCS game...

I'm not even a ND fan but they are one of the top teams.. How many teams have played USC like that recently? Not many.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-15-2005, 06:48 PM

Im gonna hang myself now. Gosh darn missed opportunity. I new Ashap was gonna be a problem. a costly fumble vs. MSU and that missed pass to him late in the fourth ugh....

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

Shouldn't the ball be spotted where it went out of bounds??? Meaning the 3 or 4 at least? I didn't agree with the way the Pac-10 officials handled that at the end..

The announcers could not have possibly done a worse job filling us in on what was going on. I would like to see the last few plays again, because I'm still confused about should have happened vs. what actually did.

digamma · 10-15-2005, 06:48 PM

What a game.

I think ND got screwed a bit on the spot of the ball. Should have been at the two or so, which probably takes away the sneak.

Major balls by USC to run the ball 3 times (four counting the scramble) with under a minute and a half and no time outs.

Buccaneer · 10-15-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I also feel like puking. God I hate USC, and I don't even want them invoved in the national title game.

fucking east coast bias

KevinNU7 · 10-15-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

Shouldn't the ball be spotted where it went out of bounds??? Meaning the 3 or 4 at least? I didn't agree with the way the Pac-10 officials handled that at the end..

THANK YOU!

I thought I was the only one who noticed this!

cmp · 10-15-2005, 06:50 PM

That didn't fool anyone, a spike would have made no sense right there.

VPI97 · 10-15-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

I'm not even a ND fan but they are one of the top teams.. How many teams have played USC like that recently? Not many.

Well, that's cause USC doesn't play anybody.

It kills me that VT could potential end the year undefeated with three top 10 wins, but USC will get to the BCS game by playing their soft schedule.

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

fucking east coast bias

How 'bout those Orangemen! Oh wait, no you're the Orange these days.

INDalltheway · 10-15-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gold101

That didn't fool anyone, a spike would have made no sense right there.

How not? They would have brought the FG team out and tied the game and went into OT...

Raiders Army · 10-15-2005, 06:52 PM

That was really, really weird.

HerRealName · 10-15-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

How not? They would have brought the FG team out and tied the game and went into OT...

The clock was already stopped. They didn't need to spike the ball to stop it unless they wanted to take a second or so off the clock.

KevinNU7 · 10-15-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gold101

That didn't fool anyone, a spike would have made no sense right there.

you are right. Since the ball went out of bounds the clock wasn't going to run on the reset so if USC was going to kick a field goal they would have just done that instead of lining up the offense.

IMO Charlie should have called the timeout to make the officals and USC think everything over.

digamma · 10-15-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName

The clock was already stopped. They didn't need to spike the ball to stop it unless they wanted to take a second or so off the clock.

If the ruling on the field was according to Jim's explanation in the other thread, then the clock correctly started on the ball being placed in play. Therefore they had to spike it or run a play.

Galaxy · 10-15-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

I'm not even a ND fan but they are one of the top teams.. How many teams have played USC like that recently? Not many.

Eh....This is loss number two...and the "top teams" they have played, outside of Michigan State and USC, have fallen apart.

INDalltheway · 10-15-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName

The clock was already stopped. They didn't need to spike the ball to stop it unless they wanted to take a second or so off the clock.

Very true, the whole sequence was confusing.. I mean it looked like all the players and coaches thought that the clock was going to start when the ref blew the whistle.. which i think it did, because USC snapped the ball barely a second after the whistle.. So the spike would have been an expected play.. It was all just confusing, and not handled very well.

Galaxy · 10-15-2005, 06:55 PM

Charlie should have called a TO...At least let the confusion get fixed, and take away the suprise element of USC.

KevinNU7 · 10-15-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gold101

Notre Dame was up 4 at the time.

no they weren't

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 06:56 PM

Two questions:

1) When does the first BCS ranking come out?
2) Does anyone know of a site that lists projected BCS rankings before that poll starts coming out?

INDalltheway · 10-15-2005, 06:57 PM

HAH... gold deleted his post cause he looked really dumb..

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-15-2005, 06:57 PM

I was surprised ND didnt use their 3 to's left. I was secretly hoping they lett USC score and let Brady and the gang back in.

digamma · 10-15-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Two questions:

1) When does the first BCS ranking come out?
2) Does anyone know of a site that lists projected BCS rankings before that poll starts coming out?

1) Monday
2) www.collegebcs.com

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

1) Monday
2) www.collegebcs.com

much thanks!

wbatl1 · 10-15-2005, 07:00 PM

Holy Cow. What a game.

molson · 10-15-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Two questions:

2) Does anyone know of a site that lists projected BCS rankings before that poll starts coming out?

Collegebcs.com is a great site that breaks this kind of stuff down - same guy that does collegerpi.com. Costs money though.

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 07:01 PM

ok, question 3.

Does anyone know of a free site that lists the projected BCS rankings before that poll starts coming out?

Icy · 10-15-2005, 07:01 PM

Awesome end of a game, also i have really enjoyed seing Bush running.

dawgfan · 10-15-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Well, that's cause USC doesn't play anybody.

They roll the 2 soft non-conference teams they play, they beat Notre Dame, they still have a decent Fresno State team to play, they rolled a very good Oregon team, beat a good Arizona State team and still have tough games against Cal and UCLA coming up.

Oh wait, you're one of those people that doesn't think the Pac-10 is any good despite all evidence to the contrary.

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Originally Posted by VPI97

It kills me that VT could potential end the year undefeated with three top 10 wins, but USC will get to the BCS game by playing their soft schedule.

Three top-10 wins? They have no wins against top-10 teams currently and only 2 ranked teams left on the schedule.

And the idea that VT's schedule is any tougher than USC's is laughable at best.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-15-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

And the idea that VT's schedule is any tougher than USC's is laughable at best.

Me & you don't agree very often, and I'm an ACC guy ... but when you're right, you're right.

VT's schedule is, at best, arguably equal to USC (and even that might be stretching it IMO).

st.cronin · 10-15-2005, 07:09 PM

USC and Texas get credit for scheduling tough games (tOSU, ND). VaTech, in my mind, doesn't.

digamma · 10-15-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

ok, question 3.

Does anyone know of a free site that lists the projected BCS rankings before that poll starts coming out?

There is a free section to collegebcs.com. He just may not release it as early as he releases the info on the pay site. I haven't been a member since the 2003 season, because the BCS has been easier to figure the last couple of seasons.

dawgfan · 10-15-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Me & you don't agree very often, and I'm an ACC guy ... but when you're right, you're right.

VT's schedule is, at best, arguably equal to USC (and even that might be stretching it IMO).

Wow, so that was the great disturbance in the force I just felt...

MalcPow · 10-15-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

Shouldn't the ball be spotted where it went out of bounds??? Meaning the 3 or 4 at least? I didn't agree with the way the Pac-10 officials handled that at the end..

As much as I wish this were true, I didn't see it that way. The ball couldn't have been spotted much further back than the one. It essentially went straight out of bounds at the goaline. Crazy game, this and MSU were both freaking crushing.

JW · 10-15-2005, 07:26 PM

I think USC got two gift spots at the end. I thought Bush got an extra yard on the spot on his last run and thought USC got maybe a yard on the spot on the fumble out of bounds. However, the replays were so bad it is hard to tell imho. That would have eliminated the sneak but I think USC would likely have scored anyway.

Neverthless a great win by the best team in America (though not an unbeatable team).

If the DB turns to the ball a half second sooner on the long pass, he bats it away and ND wins.

st.cronin · 10-15-2005, 07:30 PM

As crazy and confusing as the ending was, I think the officials basically got everything right. Tremendous, bizarre victory for the men of troy. Inspiring game from the Notre Dame boys.

Honolulu_Blue · 10-15-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcPow

As much as I wish this were true, I didn't see it that way. The ball couldn't have been spotted much further back than the one. It essentially went straight out of bounds at the goaline. Crazy game, this and MSU were both freaking crushing.

Really? I found this and UM to both very exciting!

I do feel bad for the Sparties. They really had a chance to pull it out, it just all came apart there at the end.

dawgfan · 10-15-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

Neverthless a great win by the best team in America (though not an unbeatable team).

Injuries have hurt an already fairly green and untested defense for USC, but the offense is so good and the remaining athletes on defense are talented enough that it might not matter.

Close call for USC, but they withstood Notre Dame's best shot.

MalcPow · 10-15-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Really? I found this and UM to both very exciting!

I do feel bad for the Sparties. They really had a chance to pull it out, it just all came apart there at the end.

Yeah I meant ND's loss to MSU was crushing. Although they lost a tough one today as well.

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Three top-10 wins? They have no wins against top-10 teams currently and only 2 ranked teams left on the schedule.

And the idea that VT's schedule is any tougher than USC's is laughable at best.

The 3rd would be the conference title game win. Obviously there are a lot of assumptions involved here, but I can see the frustration of a Va Tech fan.

Question for those in the know:
Is it bascially consensus opinion that they would be the odd-team-out in a USC/Texas/Va Tech finish?

cthomer5000 · 10-15-2005, 07:42 PM

Oh, and though I was rooting for them today, I'm now rooting for a ND implosion. I don't want them taking a bowl bid away from the Big East.

bhlloy · 10-15-2005, 07:43 PM

Just incredible. Too much on the Trojan side of the ball to analyse right now and I'm sure others will say it better than me. Leinart and LenDale White from the stats anyway looked pretty human although what a final drive.

Consolation for ND fans... Charlie Weis is the real deal and once he gets the players he wants there I think it's safe to say you will be back as a powerhouse. Very classy coach as well.

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CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Im gonna hang myself now. Gosh darn missed opportunity. I new Ashap was gonna be a problem. a costly fumble vs. MSU and that missed pass to him late in the fourth ugh.... __________________ Toujour Pret

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CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	I was surprised ND didnt use their 3 to's left. I was secretly hoping they lett USC score and let Brady and the gang back in. __________________ Toujour Pret

10-15-2005, 07:00 PM	#183
wbatl1 High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2003	Holy Cow. What a game. __________________ wbatl1

10-15-2005, 07:43 PM	#200
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Just incredible. Too much on the Trojan side of the ball to analyse right now and I'm sure others will say it better than me. Leinart and LenDale White from the stats anyway looked pretty human although what a final drive. Consolation for ND fans... Charlie Weis is the real deal and once he gets the players he wants there I think it's safe to say you will be back as a powerhouse. Very classy coach as well. Last edited by bhlloy : 10-15-2005 at 07:44 PM.

10-15-2005, 06:45 PM	#156
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	I have no great love for USC being a UW fan, but since I fucking hate the Irish, I'm quite happy with the result. I'll give Weis credit - he did everything he could to even the talent differential, through his motivational tactics to his coaching. Notre Dame played this game waaaay closer than I would've figured. How the Trojans didn't light up a questionable Irish secondary I don't know (though I've suspected for a few years now that Leinart is over-rated).

10-15-2005, 06:46 PM	#158
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	ND will somehow still go to a BCS game...

10-15-2005, 06:47 PM	#159
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	Shouldn't the ball be spotted where it went out of bounds??? Meaning the 3 or 4 at least? I didn't agree with the way the Pac-10 officials handled that at the end..

10-15-2005, 06:48 PM	#163
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	What a game. I think ND got screwed a bit on the spot of the ball. Should have been at the two or so, which probably takes away the sneak. Major balls by USC to run the ball 3 times (four counting the scramble) with under a minute and a half and no time outs.

10-15-2005, 06:50 PM	#166
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	That didn't fool anyone, a spike would have made no sense right there.

10-15-2005, 06:52 PM	#170
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	That was really, really weird.

10-15-2005, 06:55 PM	#176
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Charlie should have called a TO...At least let the confusion get fixed, and take away the suprise element of USC.

10-15-2005, 06:57 PM	#179
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	HAH... gold deleted his post cause he looked really dumb..

10-15-2005, 07:01 PM	#186
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Awesome end of a game, also i have really enjoyed seing Bush running.

10-15-2005, 07:09 PM	#189
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	USC and Texas get credit for scheduling tough games (tOSU, ND). VaTech, in my mind, doesn't.

10-15-2005, 07:26 PM	#193
JW College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Monroe, LA, USA	I think USC got two gift spots at the end. I thought Bush got an extra yard on the spot on his last run and thought USC got maybe a yard on the spot on the fumble out of bounds. However, the replays were so bad it is hard to tell imho. That would have eliminated the sneak but I think USC would likely have scored anyway. Neverthless a great win by the best team in America (though not an unbeatable team). If the DB turns to the ball a half second sooner on the long pass, he bats it away and ND wins.

10-15-2005, 07:30 PM	#194
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	As crazy and confusing as the ending was, I think the officials basically got everything right. Tremendous, bizarre victory for the men of troy. Inspiring game from the Notre Dame boys.

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