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then, Radii, you and i are much the same. i was raised Catholic and my mother sacrificed much to be able to afford to send my sister and i to a private Catholic school. if she were to hear me say all this religion stuff is hogwash she'd flip out. but i say it's the end-result that counts. are you a good person and did you make the world a better place to be - that's all that matters in the end. belief in fairy tales and witchcraft is not necessary. |
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01-21-2005, 01:37 PM | #152 | |
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This does not sound like the Christian God that I am familiar with. It's not typical Christian doctrine that simply being good gets you anywhere. I was under the impression that was more common amongst the Jewish though. According to what I am familiar with, someone who murders 25 people and is "Saved" will go before someone who does good deeds but has not "embraced Jesus as his Lord and Savior." |
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01-21-2005, 01:40 PM | #154 | |
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01-21-2005, 01:41 PM | #155 |
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To 'be a good person' to a Christian doesn't wash, because you are doing something within yourself to be "saved', or to 'go to heaven.' If this is possible, the sacrafice Jesus made wasn't necessary. We are saved by grace, freely given to us, never earned. Just making a point based on the Bible.
Have to admit, I do wonder sometimes where the cut-off point for me talking about Biblical priciples will be. Cause the Bible itself states many of these principles will be offensive to those who don't believe. Understand I am not telling you to believe this way. But if we are going to have consensus in this country on things like this these things will havd to be discussed. In some ways this board is pretty cutting-edge (for those who can take it!) |
01-21-2005, 01:44 PM | #156 | |
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A recent study did show that as a group, Evangelical Christians were generally the happiest group of people in the U.S. Will have to see if I can dig that one up! |
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01-21-2005, 01:46 PM | #157 |
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Personally, I would have thought that the happiest group of people in the U.S. would be kids 5 and under. No school. No work. Watch Spongebob...
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01-21-2005, 01:47 PM | #158 | |
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Yeah, maybe one of the most hurtful and ignorant things I have ever read. On one hand the actions of those in power of the Church equals the Church, on the other the actions of a VERY Catholic Martin Luther does not equal the Church. Horrible actions by Christians (which by the way it was the Prod's that extingushed the native population here) does not make Chrsitianity bad, b/c those are very unChristian acts. Luther was great in his unrestlessness, but IMO I think the real radical notions came from St. Francis' insistence on joy, humility and charity. Oh, wait, he was Catholic before Luther, I guess just gets dismissed as a killer. Also, it is not by chance Focus on the Family is behind this intolerance thing. Here is a book by the son of the leader Dobson: hxxp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590521528/qid=1106335200/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-0045982-6711821?v=glance&s=books I personally am intolerant of parents who let their kids get fat, to the point of being healthy. Seems like a sin to me. Of course if it were, we would have to get rid of nutrition classes in school.... |
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01-21-2005, 01:48 PM | #159 | |
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WHAT!! you dont even know what the material was andd you've never seen the video..K, I'm just gonna read over your posts from here on, because you have no backup to anything, which is kinda sad..you read your articles and whatever else you want but you do no research yourself for your opinions..how could you seriously make any sort of REAL decision for yourself or your family that way, about ANYTHING jinkies...im at a loss here.. I just could never take anyone seriously when they havent examined all sides to an issue, so there's no point in me reading your posts anymore..im just not blind sheep material I guess
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01-21-2005, 01:49 PM | #160 | |
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if that's the case then God can keep his Heaven and i'll have a dandy ole time in Purgatory. i'd sure hate to be Hindu or Buddhist. those guys got it all wrong. they haven't accepted JC. yeesh...sucks to be them. |
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01-21-2005, 01:52 PM | #161 | |
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Gotta say, I do all the above WITH my kid and im pretty damn happy mann, I believe in God(the bible one),Hinduism, and Buddhist philosophies, and done some things im sure I'd have reserved seating hell for, they're gonna play musical chairs with me when i bite it but im still pretty darn happy cuz im ever soo nice AND tolerant
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01-21-2005, 01:54 PM | #162 |
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So wait, you're arguing not against the first thing you didn't see, but against the 2nd thing you didn't see?
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01-21-2005, 01:56 PM | #163 | |
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01-21-2005, 01:59 PM | #164 |
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This reminds of the Simpsons I saw the other night with the whole "Gravey and Doliath" cartoon that the Flanders watch instead of Itchy and Scratchy.
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01-21-2005, 02:00 PM | #166 | |
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Just when I was really starting to get bummed out by BW replacing me on Subby's list, you manage to come up with the definitive post in the entire thread. Just about perfect IMO. Thanks.
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01-21-2005, 02:02 PM | #167 |
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Here's another thing:
1. If it's too good to be true, then it probably is. 2. Be good for, what, say 60-100 years? Plus be "saved". 3. Gain entry to Heaven for all eternity. 60-100 years is waaaaaaaay less than eternity, which is like, ummm, a long time. |
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Spongebob is not gay.
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01-21-2005, 02:04 PM | #169 | |
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This doesn't hold water. Millions and million have people have been killed in the name of religion. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, these guys did horrible things, yes. They killed thousands of people, yes. But they didn't do it in the name of Atheism. They just happened to be Atheists who were in power and did some horrible things. Religion, on the other hand, has been directly responsible for the deaths, explotation, and suffering of people throughout time. People's fucked up view of religion has led to this. Religion has it's good points too, in a lot of ways, but it's also likely the largest greatest evil man ever invented.
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My god, there are some dumb rednecks on this board.
Then again, Im fairly sure that the correlation between those that oppose "homosexuality" and people who opposed desegregation 40 years earlier is pretty high. Clearly, "tolerance" of race based differences was a bad idea. |
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While I don't necessarily agree that the conservative Christians aren't a little whacked, I think there's a difference between tolerance of race and tolerance of lifestyle. While it may be argued that being gay is not a choice, it clearly is in opposition to procreation. Race is nothing of the sort. Also, it is possible to stay in the closet without anyone knowing, while it is harder to maintain that you're Caucasian with a really dark tan. |
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01-21-2005, 02:16 PM | #173 | |
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Way to tolerate those with different opinions. Nice job setting the example. Wouldn't want to promote a stereotype or anything. |
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01-21-2005, 02:16 PM | #174 | |
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The underlying logic that anyone who doesnt follow a certain roadmap is "wrong" in someway is pretty much the same. |
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01-21-2005, 02:18 PM | #175 | |
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Franklin, in this thread people have claimed that tolerance by definition is sin- explain to me how accepting someone of a different race (to take one example of "tolerance") is a sin. It was an inane, dumbass statement, and deserves to be called on as such. |
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Tolerance of SIN is the issue here!
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It is not tolerance by itself that = sin. It is the tolerance of SIN! That is the sin being committed by the acceptance that it is ok to be Gay to have premarital sex to look at porn.
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01-21-2005, 02:24 PM | #177 |
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I'm gay, and I love Sov.
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Fine. Nobody is telling kids to like being gay or like the concept of homosexuality. They are merely trying to promote tolerance of people, not their actions/backgrounds....you know...hate the sin, love the sinner. Last edited by miked : 01-21-2005 at 02:25 PM. |
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Most self-delusional people are very happy. Therefore, I can't say I'm surprised at the results. ----------------------------------------- Spongebob is gay and will sneak in the night and cornhole your children and small furry animals. Lock the doors and keep a weapon handy! BLAM! |
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Spongbob is totally violating Leviticus 18:22 by promoting tolerance of those who violate it. And 20:13.
Of course, Leviticus 18:21 is violated daily on television. 19:12, too, of course. And 20:10 is constantly violated. I'm a little confused on 21:5, though. Seems to me 99% of men on TV violate that one, but I'm no scholar. It's all so confusing.
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Fine. Should I break out the Dr. Laura quotes about other "sins" that are being tolerated ?In fact, since you are a proponent of the Bible as some sort of absolute source, lets start. Quote:
I'll say this again. My problem is with people who don't realize the Bible is not infallible - it was collected by men, kept by men, and translated by men for 1500 years till the Printing Press was a viable alternative for mass distribution. Are you seriously of the belief that in 15 years and various translations, not a word or intent or anything was changed ? Side Note: What was the original language ? Was it Latin or Arramaic ? Im not sure of this- it certainly isnt English, correct ? |
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Slippery slope at its finest.
1. Tolerance of sin=going to Hell. 2. I allow video to be shown, thus I tolerate sin. 3. We're all going to Hell. Every man for himself! |
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Is it delusional to be moral and treat people with love. To have a strong code of ethics that are uncompromised? To aspire to live for the Lord instead of one's selfish desires? If so than I am delusional as well, at least I am aspiring to be....
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Spongebob is all about love and underwater merryment.
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Ever see the way Arthur looks a DJ. That's where our attention should be focussed.
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Fixed it for ya. That God sure is one conceited dude. You must worship me. You must worship my Son. You'd think an omnipotent guy would have a little more self-esteem.
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01-21-2005, 02:36 PM | #187 | |
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wow, Im glad you're not going to be the final judge on my life, im like 2 for 3 there, and probably depending on who's opinions maybe 3 for 3 you're not supposed to have sex while on your period:| I must have read over that part dangit.. and I'm Mexican, would I be allowed a Canadian slave
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No where does God say that slavery is ok! To the contrary Jesus teaches to respect one another, to love one another as you love yourself! To treat slaves well. If we were to truly live as Jesus teaches and as the Word lays out, then their would be no slavery! Remember God allows for free choice. Slavery is of man's making not His! Dr. Laura's statement is taking the Bible out of context. Slavery in the days of Rome was an option for those who were bankrupt for example. It was nothing like the slavery of the African Blacks. As a matter of fact it was Evangelical Christians who first put a stop to African slaves being shipped to America.
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You just summed it up. Nowhere in your little dogma does it say to force people to believe what you do...just to be moral and treat people with love. These videos aren't there to tell you to accept homosexuality, or the existence of other religions, it is merely saying treat all people with respect regardless of what YOU believe. You can hate my sin of not believing in JC, but don't hate me or beat me up because of it. |
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out of context..who would've thought this could be possible
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I think most of the Old Testament was originally in Hebrew. A big issue with biblical translations is that due to the nature of language, translations are never perfect and with language that old we may never know the true intent and meaning of the original with precision. Also translation mistakes fester, and many of the translations of the bible today are translations from another language (Greek or Latin) not the original Hebrew (for those books written in Hebrew). It's like that game of telephone... |
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So are the people against the video trying say that we should keep our children locked up at home and away from outside influence and avoid any kind of situation that could differ from the perfect life we try and make for our family??? Wow....so are children are supposed to be trained, not curious. So when our children ask us questions, we're supposed to tell them what we want them to hear instead of what they need to hear?
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I think this is hilarious that we have posted over 190 posts all debating whether or not a fictional cartoon sponge that lives in the sea in a PINEAPPLE is trying to persuade our children to be gay. Only on this forum could we do that....I love it!
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I'm pretty sure that I got to do that all day, you could put me on that list of happiest people in the US. The ony thing that could make me happier is maybe a plain hamburger......CraigSca!!! |
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I'm just curious to how many people have actually watched SpongeBob?? I personally love that show. Anyone else going to 'fess up to watching it?
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