Let the trades begin - Page 4

Mr. Sparkle · 07-23-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

EGADS! I just saw Burroughs stats... I had no idea he was doing that badly! And he had so much promise back in the day.

Yep, it's that bad. I would assume he could be had for relatively cheap, which I don't think would be such a bad idea for one of the smaller market teams (although he's in his arbitration years, don't know how much he'd get in it though).

TazFTW · 07-23-2005, 04:21 PM

According to an AP report, Nevin has not waived his no-trade clause, so the trade with Baltimore is on hold.

Buccaneer · 07-23-2005, 04:23 PM

He's just wanting to see what his role in Baltimore would be.

Burroughs was given plenty of chances to succeed but never came close.

Randa starts at 3rd, X at 1st (or Klesko there and X in RF). Ponson can't be any worse than some of the starters now - but he makes way too much.

Mr. Sparkle · 07-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Nevin and Ponson's salaries are pretty much a wash, I believe.

Buccaneer · 07-23-2005, 05:42 PM

Would you pay that much for a SP3 or SP4?

Mr. Sparkle · 07-23-2005, 06:03 PM

Nope, which is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of the trade. On second thought, I guess I am a fan of it, since I am a San Francisco Giants faithful. Although, given our recent trade history, I don't have much room to talk.

Terps · 07-23-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

Nope, which is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of the trade. On second thought, I guess I am a fan of it, since I am a San Francisco Giants faithful. Although, given our recent trade history, I don't have much room to talk.

I would've traded Ponson to San Diego for a pack of sunflower seeds.

Mr. Sparkle · 07-23-2005, 06:09 PM

Sure, from Baltimore's standpoint, they made out like bandits. From a Padres standpoint, I wouldn't like it.

TazFTW · 07-25-2005, 03:29 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2115581

Sounds like Nevin does not want to go.

Swaggs · 07-25-2005, 08:49 PM

I wonder if the Padres will ever sign anyone w/ a no-trade clause again? Sounds like this is the third deal that he has killed.

stevew · 07-25-2005, 09:28 PM

What if the Padres just designate Nevin for assignment, and take on Ponson anyways, along with a lot of cash from the Orioles? Its not like the Orioles really want either.

QuikSand · 07-25-2005, 09:29 PM

Now there are rumors that Texas may be willing take on Big Sid. Perhaps in a deal involving Richard Hidalgo (whom I recall being on a one year deal).

stevew · 07-25-2005, 09:32 PM

Nevin needs a solid kick in the c*nt. Then again, their gm has tried to trade him 3 times to one of the 8 teams nevin will agree to go to via trade. Maybe he needs a kick as well.

JeeberD · 07-25-2005, 09:36 PM

Hidalgo

*snicker*

Bad-example · 07-25-2005, 11:10 PM

I guess Nevin just isn't a Hampsterdam kinda guy.

TazFTW · 07-26-2005, 02:37 PM

Heh.

Manny Ramirez - OF - BOS - Jul. 26 - 1:22 pm et
According to SI's Tom Verducci, Manny Ramirez wants to be traded from the Boston Red Sox. Again. Ramirez reportedly told team officials he is unhappy in Boston, particularly with his lack of privacy off the field. This would be the third time in four years that Ramirez has requested a trade. The report also states the Red Sox have no intention of moving him. This most likely is just another of one Manny's many mood swings. Jul. 26 - 1:22 pm et Source: CNNSI.com

WSUCougar · 07-26-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Nevin needs a solid kick in the c*nt. Then again, their gm has tried to trade him 3 times to one of the 8 teams nevin will agree to go to via trade. Maybe he needs a kick as well.

Why is it Nevin's fault? What's the point of even having a no-trade clause if you can't invoke it?

Not trying to pick a fight...I just don't understand your point.

jeff061 · 07-26-2005, 04:12 PM

What a loser Ramirez is. The rabid fans and asshole media overlook his wackiness and give him respect because he plays the game so well. Then he bitches about not liking Boston.

I wish we could ship that baby to Montreal.

Neuqua · 07-26-2005, 04:14 PM

Man, the Cubs could use a productive Outfield bat.

JeeberD · 07-26-2005, 04:33 PM

Looks like the Astros might be up to something...

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Originally Posted by Memphis Commercial Appeal

Fresh off his first Major League win for the Houston Astros last Tuesday, Round Rock starter Ezequiel Astacio pitched just two innings Monday in his shortest appearance of the season. Astacio, who'd lasted just three innings in his previous start for the Express on July 10 against Nashville, threw 39 pitches and allowed just one Redbird hit before being relieved by right-hander Scott Strickland to start the third.

"There's a possibility he's going back to the big leagues (today)," Express manager Jackie Moore said. "We don't know for sure yet, but trust me, I didn't want to take him out of there after that second inning."

Doesn't look like there's anywhere for him to fit on the Astros roster and he's been rumored to be trade bait before...

TazFTW · 07-28-2005, 03:21 PM

Alfonso Soriano - 2B - Rangers

At one point yesterday Alfonso Soriano got a call from his agent telling him to pack his bags and that he was traded to the Mets. Only moments later did he receive another call telling him that the deal hit a snag.
The Rangers are asking for Aaron Heilman and Yusmeiro Petit at the moment, but the Mets want to substitute Victor Zambrano for Heilman. Regardless, it's looking more likely Soriano will be headed to the Mets this weekend. Jul. 28 - 1:21 pm et
Source: Dallas Morning News

As a Braves fan, I really don't want to see Soriano on the Mets.

Mr. Sparkle · 07-28-2005, 03:30 PM

Soriano is overrated in my opinion, especially since he'll likely recieve upwards of $10 million bucks in arbitration this offseason.

Klinglerware · 07-28-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

As a Braves fan, I really don't want to see Soriano on the Mets.

I wouldn't worry about Soriano--if you look at his Home-Away splits, he is absolutely horrible away from Texas. And this is over two years, so it's probably not a fluke. He will be exposed if he moves to the pitchers park that is Shea...

hukarez · 07-28-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Why is it Nevin's fault? What's the point of even having a no-trade clause if you can't invoke it?

Not trying to pick a fight...I just don't understand your point.

In the end, Nevin didn't want to uproot his family and has accepted a bench role. He had some applause throughout the game on Tuesday, but it accelerated into boos when he went 0-4.

They've pretty much made up and Kevin Towers apologized to Nevin for going behind his back about the whole trade thing.

Swaggs · 07-28-2005, 03:40 PM

It's fun to look through this thread at all of the rumors that were set to go down with a day or two.

I'm sure there will be some serious action in the next few days, though.

TazFTW · 07-28-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Klinglerware

I wouldn't worry about Soriano--if you look at his Home-Away splits, he is absolutely horrible away from Texas. And this is over two years, so it's probably not a fluke. He will be exposed if he moves to the pitchers park that is Shea...

Whoa, didn't realise how much of a difference his home/away stats were. Still, I would think Soriano's offense would be an upgrade over Kaz Matsui/Miguel Cairo.

Klinglerware · 07-28-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Whoa, didn't realise how much of a difference his home/away stats were. Still, I would think Soriano's offense would be an upgrade over Kaz Matsui/Miguel Cairo.

That's probably true. The Rangers could still be making out like bandits, depending on how desperate the Mets are to land Soriano, though...

ISiddiqui · 07-28-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Klinglerware

That's probably true. The Rangers could still be making out like bandits, depending on how desperate the Mets are to land Soriano, though...

Not if the deal with Zambrano and Petit... I still can't believe we dealt Kazmir for that joker.

TazFTW · 07-28-2005, 08:37 PM

Shawn Chacon - S - COL

The AP has confirmed that the Yankees will acquire Shawn Chacon from the Rockies for pitching prospects Eduardo Sierra and Ramon Ramirez.
It will likely become official after the Rockies finish tonight. Chacon is expected to start for the Yankees on Saturday. Jul. 28 - 9:33 pm et
Source: The Associated Press

Philliesfan980 · 07-28-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Shawn Chacon - S - COL

The AP has confirmed that the Yankees will acquire Shawn Chacon from the Rockies for pitching prospects Eduardo Sierra and Ramon Ramirez.
It will likely become official after the Rockies finish tonight. Chacon is expected to start for the Yankees on Saturday. Jul. 28 - 9:33 pm et
Source: The Associated Press

Boy the Yankees are really getting desperate.

Leiter, Brown, Johnson, Nomo, and Chacon

Wow

Comey · 07-28-2005, 11:51 PM

Is Eduardo Ruben's son?

MikeVic · 07-29-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Shawn Chacon - S - COL

The AP has confirmed that the Yankees will acquire Shawn Chacon from the Rockies for pitching prospects Eduardo Sierra and Ramon Ramirez.
It will likely become official after the Rockies finish tonight. Chacon is expected to start for the Yankees on Saturday. Jul. 28 - 9:33 pm et
Source: The Associated Press

How many prospects do the Yankees have left? Haven't they made a billion trades in the last few years where they ship a prospect or two for a vet?

dawgfan · 07-29-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

How many prospects do the Yankees have left? Haven't they made a billion trades in the last few years where they ship a prospect or two for a vet?

Ramirez is a mid-level prospect, Sierra is a marginal prospect. The Yanks didn't pay a whole lot for Chacon, but it's more than I would've.

Contrary to popular opinion, the Yankees farm system isn't devoid of prospects. Guys like Sean Henn, Melky Cabrera, Eric Duncan and Philip Hughes are pretty good prospects, especially Hughes.

MikeVic · 07-29-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Ramirez is a mid-level prospect, Sierra is a marginal prospect. The Yanks didn't pay a whole lot for Chacon, but it's more than I would've.

Contrary to popular opinion, the Yankees farm system isn't devoid of prospects. Guys like Sean Henn, Melky Cabrera, Eric Duncan and Philip Hughes are pretty good prospects, especially Hughes.

I just don't understand how they keep bodies there... each team only gets a certain amount of draft picks each year, and it seems like the Yankees trade FAR more of their prospects than any other team... but they still have their farm system full?

dawgfan · 07-29-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I just don't understand how they keep bodies there... each team only gets a certain amount of draft picks each year, and it seems like the Yankees trade FAR more of their prospects than any other team... but they still have their farm system full?

The draft is not the only way to acquire talent. The Yanks do very well in signing international players not subject to the draft.

MikeVic · 07-29-2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

The draft is not the only way to acquire talent. The Yanks do very well in signing international players not subject to the draft.

Ok, thanks. I didn't know that.

TazFTW · 07-29-2005, 11:28 AM

Hmmm

Alfonso Soriano - 2B - Rangers

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, the Rangers and Mets are working on a blockbuster trade.
The reported deal would send Alfonso Soriano and Adrian Gonzalez to New York for Mike Cameron, Lastings Milledge and Yusmeiro Petit. Milledge, Petit and Gonzalez are all among the top prospects in baseball. However, the Rangers continue to insist that they are not close to dealing Soriano. Jul. 29 - 10:22 am et
Source: Newark Star-Ledger

Alfonso Soriano - 2B - Rangers

The Mets front office reportedly hasn't even spoken to the Rangers about Alfonso Soriano, according to the New York Daily News.
This certainly contradicts everything else that is out there. If true, it's good news if you own Soriano in an AL-only league. Still, there seems to be too much smoke for there not to be a fire. Jul. 29 - 11:07 am et
Source: New York Daily News

TazFTW · 07-29-2005, 02:02 PM

Lots of rumors now. Manny and the Mets (Glavine and Cameron). Soriano and the Cubs. Billy Wagner and the Red Sox with the Boston Herald saying the Red Sox would be willing to give up Arroyo, Youkilis, and catcher prospect Kelly Stoppach.

jeff061 · 07-29-2005, 02:08 PM

Why do the Sox hate Youkilis so much.

Ryche · 07-29-2005, 02:58 PM

I'd give up any 2 of Romero, Mays or Lohse from the Twins for Youkilis if they don't want him.

hukarez · 07-29-2005, 07:58 PM

Ugh.

Phil Nevin traded to the Rangers for Chan Ho Park.

As a Padres fan, I'm seriously irritated by this.

Chan Ho Park.

Goddammit.

WSUCougar · 07-29-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hukarez

Ugh.

Phil Nevin traded to the Rangers for Chan Ho Park.

As a Padres fan, I'm seriously irritated by this.

Chan Ho Park.

Goddammit.

Glad the soda can was empty when I read this one. What a riot!

ISiddiqui · 07-29-2005, 08:06 PM

Chan Ho Park? WTF? Do the Pads want to lose the division?

It doesn't look like Soriano is going to be a Met. Too many prospects involved when originally rumored it was just one and Zambrano/Heilman for Soriano. Minaya wants talent, but he's not an idiot like Phillips.

Though they could get Manny. That would be something. It appears that it would be a 3 way deal between the Sox, Mets, and D-Rays. Mets would get Manny and Baez, Sox get Huff and Cameron, and the D-Rays get two prospects a piece from both teams (Petit and Milledge from NY and Shoppach and Sanchez from the Sox).

RPI-Fan · 07-29-2005, 08:07 PM

ESPNews was putting Manny in a three-way deal:

Manny and Danny Baez to Mets
Aubrey Huff and Cameron to Red Sox
bunch of prospects to DRays

RPI-Fan · 07-29-2005, 08:08 PM

That deal is not bad for the Pads at all, I don't think. Park has had success in the NL before and I think could find his form in the very weak west division.

Great trade for the Padres, IMO.

hukarez · 07-29-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Chan Ho Park? WTF? Do the Pads want to lose the division?

I seriously wish I knew the answer to this question.

On the networks here, folks are calling in screaming for Kevin Towers' head.

Chan Ho Park.

All my Korean friends despise Chan Ho Park.

Koreans altogetherhate Chan Ho Park.

I'm keeping my Padres' jersey on it's hangar in my closet, and will not don my SD cap until I am pleased.

Goddammit.

Why bother trading for another pitcher if the team can't score any damn runs??

Chan Ho Park.

We traded for Chan Ho Park!!!!!

stevew · 07-29-2005, 08:19 PM

Yes, but finally that Bastard Phil Nevin got traded, and theres not a damn thing he could do about it. Look at the bigger picture!

Swaggs · 07-29-2005, 08:22 PM

How bad is Park's contract?

Is that Mets/Sox/Rays deal legitimate or just an idea being tossed around? I can't understand trading Manny, no matter what a weirdo he is.

henry296 · 07-29-2005, 08:27 PM

The Orioles have removed Larry Bigbie from their game, with no apparent injury.

ISiddiqui · 07-29-2005, 08:27 PM

IIRC, Park is making like $14-15 million a year. Nevin is making $9 million. So they'll have to equalize the contracts, I believe, before it goes through.

07-23-2005, 04:48 PM	#154
Mr. Sparkle High School JV Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Francisco	Nevin and Ponson's salaries are pretty much a wash, I believe. __________________ I hope life isn't a joke, because I don't get it

07-23-2005, 06:03 PM	#156
Mr. Sparkle High School JV Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Francisco	Nope, which is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of the trade. On second thought, I guess I am a fan of it, since I am a San Francisco Giants faithful. Although, given our recent trade history, I don't have much room to talk. __________________ I hope life isn't a joke, because I don't get it

07-23-2005, 06:09 PM	#158
Mr. Sparkle High School JV Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Francisco	Sure, from Baltimore's standpoint, they made out like bandits. From a Padres standpoint, I wouldn't like it. __________________ I hope life isn't a joke, because I don't get it

07-25-2005, 08:49 PM	#160
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I wonder if the Padres will ever sign anyone w/ a no-trade clause again? Sounds like this is the third deal that he has killed. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-25-2005, 09:36 PM	#164
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07-23-2005, 04:21 PM	#152
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	According to an AP report, Nevin has not waived his no-trade clause, so the trade with Baltimore is on hold.

07-23-2005, 04:23 PM	#153
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	He's just wanting to see what his role in Baltimore would be. Burroughs was given plenty of chances to succeed but never came close. Randa starts at 3rd, X at 1st (or Klesko there and X in RF). Ponson can't be any worse than some of the starters now - but he makes way too much.

07-23-2005, 05:42 PM	#155
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Would you pay that much for a SP3 or SP4?

07-25-2005, 03:29 AM	#159
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2115581 Sounds like Nevin does not want to go.

07-25-2005, 09:28 PM	#161
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	What if the Padres just designate Nevin for assignment, and take on Ponson anyways, along with a lot of cash from the Orioles? Its not like the Orioles really want either.

07-25-2005, 09:29 PM	#162
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Now there are rumors that Texas may be willing take on Big Sid. Perhaps in a deal involving Richard Hidalgo (whom I recall being on a one year deal).

07-25-2005, 09:32 PM	#163
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Nevin needs a solid kick in the c*nt. Then again, their gm has tried to trade him 3 times to one of the 8 teams nevin will agree to go to via trade. Maybe he needs a kick as well.

07-25-2005, 11:10 PM	#165
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	I guess Nevin just isn't a Hampsterdam kinda guy.

07-26-2005, 04:12 PM	#168
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	What a loser Ramirez is. The rabid fans and asshole media overlook his wackiness and give him respect because he plays the game so well. Then he bitches about not liking Boston. I wish we could ship that baby to Montreal. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 07-26-2005 at 04:13 PM.

07-26-2005, 04:14 PM	#169
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07-28-2005, 03:30 PM	#172
Mr. Sparkle High School JV Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Francisco	Soriano is overrated in my opinion, especially since he'll likely recieve upwards of $10 million bucks in arbitration this offseason. __________________ I hope life isn't a joke, because I don't get it

07-28-2005, 03:40 PM	#175
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	It's fun to look through this thread at all of the rumors that were set to go down with a day or two. I'm sure there will be some serious action in the next few days, though. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-28-2005, 11:51 PM	#181
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07-29-2005, 02:02 PM	#188
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Lots of rumors now. Manny and the Mets (Glavine and Cameron). Soriano and the Cubs. Billy Wagner and the Red Sox with the Boston Herald saying the Red Sox would be willing to give up Arroyo, Youkilis, and catcher prospect Kelly Stoppach.

07-29-2005, 02:08 PM	#189
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Why do the Sox hate Youkilis so much. __________________

07-29-2005, 02:58 PM	#190
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07-29-2005, 07:58 PM	#191
hukarez College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista, CA	Ugh. Ugh. Phil Nevin traded to the Rangers for Chan Ho Park. As a Padres fan, I'm seriously irritated by this. Chan Ho Park. Goddammit. __________________ ...what we have here is a man who looks like Tarzan, but fights like Jane! My VG collection \| Xbox 360 Gamertag: ManThol \| PS3 Network ID: hukarez Doce Pares International - San Diego Council Filipino Martial Arts Digest tweet tweet twitter

07-29-2005, 08:06 PM	#193
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Chan Ho Park? WTF? Do the Pads want to lose the division? It doesn't look like Soriano is going to be a Met. Too many prospects involved when originally rumored it was just one and Zambrano/Heilman for Soriano. Minaya wants talent, but he's not an idiot like Phillips. Though they could get Manny. That would be something. It appears that it would be a 3 way deal between the Sox, Mets, and D-Rays. Mets would get Manny and Baez, Sox get Huff and Cameron, and the D-Rays get two prospects a piece from both teams (Petit and Milledge from NY and Shoppach and Sanchez from the Sox). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams Last edited by ISiddiqui : 07-29-2005 at 08:10 PM.

07-29-2005, 08:07 PM	#194
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	ESPNews was putting Manny in a three-way deal: Manny and Danny Baez to Mets Aubrey Huff and Cameron to Red Sox bunch of prospects to DRays __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

07-29-2005, 08:08 PM	#195
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	That deal is not bad for the Pads at all, I don't think. Park has had success in the NL before and I think could find his form in the very weak west division. Great trade for the Padres, IMO. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

07-29-2005, 08:19 PM	#197
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Yes, but finally that Bastard Phil Nevin got traded, and theres not a damn thing he could do about it. Look at the bigger picture!

07-29-2005, 08:22 PM	#198
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	How bad is Park's contract? Is that Mets/Sox/Rays deal legitimate or just an idea being tossed around? I can't understand trading Manny, no matter what a weirdo he is. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-29-2005, 08:27 PM	#199
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07-29-2005, 08:27 PM	#200
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	IIRC, Park is making like $14-15 million a year. Nevin is making $9 million. So they'll have to equalize the contracts, I believe, before it goes through. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

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