Pats steal a draft pick from Al Davis in his sleep

[jeff061]

I just want to be able to say I posted in a thread where someone defended Al Davis.

And compared Brady at his peak to Bledsoe at the end.

I remember at the time I was ok with Bledsoe getting back in as the starter and was not sold at all on Brady. I was in a very small minority. No one was a big fan of the foot shuffling inaccurate INT machine.

[Subby]

This thread is cerebral. VERY CEREBRAL.

[Jughead Spock]

This is such a troll account. Any further posts on my part are just poking it with a stick.

You forget, these/we are kids!
The body does not fully develop until 23(ish)
and the brain does not fully develop until 25-27...

Suuuuuuupah-GEEeeenius.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by jeff061

And compared Brady at his peak to Bledsoe at the end.

I remember at the time I was ok with Bledsoe getting back in as the starter and was not sold at all on Brady. I was in a very small minority. No one was a big fan of the foot shuffling inaccurate INT machine.

Let's not go overboard with the Bledsoe hate. He was still a very competent, if not pro-bowl caliber quarterback behind a good offensive line. He threw 13 picks total the previous season.

[Kodos]

Were you actually suggesting that Brady should have been traded instead of Cassel?

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Let's not go overboard with the Bledsoe hate. He was still a very competent, if not pro-bowl caliber quarterback behind a good offensive line. He threw 13 picks total the previous season.

That's what my opinion was, and Brady was just some idiot kid (he didn't look so bright in front of the cameras early on). Friends, family, papers and radio all seemed to disagree with me.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

The body does not fully develop until 23(ish)



.

at what age do the sexual nerves develop?

[jeff061]

I find that incredibly offensive Lathum. Potty mouth.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Let's not go overboard with the Bledsoe hate. He was still a very competent, if not pro-bowl caliber quarterback behind a good offensive line. He threw 13 picks total the previous season.

Let's not go underboard with it either. The three years before Brady took over he threw 56 touchdowns to 48 picks with 56% completion. I was ready for a different quarterback, though certainly didn't expect Brady to become what he has (anyone who says they did is lying).

[Autumn]

I think we all knew what Brady would become when we gazed at those dreamy eyes.

Al Davis however, one can only guess what he is.

[jeff061]

I'm telling you, the first time I gazed into his eyes at a post game press conference I thought he was borderline mentally challenged.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Let's not go underboard with it either. The three years before Brady took over he threw 56 touchdowns to 48 picks with 56% completion. I was ready for a different quarterback, though certainly didn't expect Brady to become what he has (anyone who says they did is lying).

I thought Bledsoe needed to be traded simply because we clearly didn't have the offensive line he needed, but I always thought the vitriol directed at such a classy player was over the top and offensive. He was as pure a dropback passer as you could get, and its not his fault the Patriots had failed for 3+ years to build a team around his strengths and weaknesses. (Of course, I was pushing for the more mobile backup instead of Brady, so I wasn't right about everything.)

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

How much you want to wager on Brady vs. Cassell over the next 5 years, in terms of wins, passing yards, td's, games started, whatever. Let me know. I mean, Tom Brady isn't in danger of losing his job to Tyler Thigpen.

Tom Brady = Football Jesus

[DaddyTorgo]

no hate for bledsoe - he took them to a SB that they should have won (if not for DESMOND MOTHAFUCKING HOWARD BITCHES!! - yet another Michigan player) and was a pure, quality dropback passer.

[Logan]

Am I really the only one who's had him on ignore this whole time?

[SirFozzie]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch..

Two things:

One, the Raiders have restructured a couple contracts to free up contact space for Richard Seymour, but no signs of him in Oak.

There are conflicting reports on why Seymour isn't showing up yet.. the one thing they both can agree on is that Seymour wants some $$$, they differ on who he wants it from.. one report is that Seymour is demanding money from the Patriots to not sabotage the trade.. the other side says that Seymour wants a long term extension with the Raiders before he reports.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Pats can just do the "five day letter" thing, which for Seymour is the nuclear option. You can't see free agency in a year if you don't report.

Seymour could eventually get "five-day letter" | ProFootballTalk.com

Obviously, no one wants to see that happen, but its not like Seymour has all the leverage here.

[gstelmack]

I loved Bledsoe, but I also think it was time for him to move on as he was on the downswing of his career. I don't see how there can be much vitriol for a player who publically at least did not undercut his backup nor complain loudly, and who treated the fans with a ton of respect when he left. I have a lot of respect for him and will always remember the good times he brought to New England.

One of my favorite football watching moments was watching him and Marino duke it out early in his career, where the two of them combined for around 900 yards through the air.

Looked it up on NFL.com: 9/4/94, Bledsoe was 32-51, 421 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT. Marino was 23-42, 473 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT. Miami won 39-35. Was a great game to watch.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Pats can just do the "five day letter" thing, which for Seymour is the nuclear option. You can't see free agency in a year if you don't report.

Seymour could eventually get "five-day letter" | ProFootballTalk.com

Obviously, no one wants to see that happen, but its not like Seymour has all the leverage here.

The Pats will send it. I wonder if they will actually enforce it. Having a beast ride the pine. Can't set that precedent, only reason they wouldn't let him play.

[Big Fo]

Seymour could jump out of a tree and try to break his leg so he couldn't pass Oakland's physical, kind of like what I've read about people trying to get out of going to Vietnam back in the day.

That might hurt his next contract though.

[NiteMaestro]

The only reason I compared Brady/Cassel to Bledsoe/Brady is because of the similarities. Very good QB that got injured, backup steps in and does surprisingly well.

That's it.
Remember, Brady isn't young anymore, and is seen as vulnerable after is knee and 'shoulder issues'. I was just saying it as a point of curious interest. Damn.
I'm not even bashing the Patriots for once, take this moral victory and run with it Bradyiacs.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by flounder

Would it be fair to say that you think the Raiders are looking great in the preseason?

That's quote of the day material.
Even when it's two days old.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Originally Posted by jeff061

The Pats will send it. I wonder if they will actually enforce it. Having a beast ride the pine. Can't set that precedent, only reason they wouldn't let him play.

What's more ridiculous, though: forcing Seymour to sit out the season, or having him back in uniform after trading him?

I really can't see either happening. Seymour will realize he's got to go to Oakland. Maybe he convinces Al to promise not to franchise, though I doubt he could pull that off.

[Pumpy Tudors]

A few things to know about NiteMaestro:

1) Uses a quote in his signature that was directly mocking him
2) Cerebral enough to defend Al Davis as anything less than a lunatic
3) Argues in defense of a history that he openly does not know or understand
4) Thinks the Raiders will hit .500 this year because they allegedly have a running game and admittedly have a bad quarterback

Any questions?

Yes. WHY ARE YOU HITTING YOURSELF?

[NiteMaestro]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Yes. WHY ARE YOU HITTING YOURSELF?

Though most people find forums as a place to endlessly masturbate to their own inflated sense of self worth, I'd rather debate openly and intelligently, knowing full well I may be wrong.
Why?
Because only by admitting our own fallibility's and humanity can we hope to transcend it.


...
Besides...
It's a good quote

[JediKooter]

I'd be surprised if the Raiders went 8-8 this year.

Chargers - L
Chiefs - Coiuld go either way
Broncos - L
Texans - L
Giants - L
Eagles - L
Jets - L
Chargers - L
Chiefs - Could go either way
Bengals - L
Cowboys - L
Steelers - L
Redskins - L
Broncos - L
Browns - W
Ravens - L

I say 4-12 maybe 5-11 this year tops for the Raiders with current rosters and before any major injuries to the Radiers and any of their opponents.

[Autumn]

Not to mention before Al Davis cuts one of their only good players and signs someone from the Falcons practice squad to a $20 million contract.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

I'd rather debate openly and intelligently, knowing full well I may be wrong.

Still waiting for the intelligent debate.

[SirFozzie]

Latest tweet from ESPN's Adam Schefter...

At this time, Seymour's options are to report to Oakland or to sit out. Sounds like New England is out of this, with Oak's 2011 1st rd pick

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Not to mention before Al Davis cuts one of their only good players and signs someone from the Falcons practice squad to a $20 million contract.

Haha!! The season is still young.

[Cap Ologist]

To prove Al Davis is crazy, you don't need to look at his drafts, his free agent signings, or his coaching hire. All you need to know is that he used a freaking overhead projector in a press conference when he fired a coach. Does anybody in Oakland not know how to use a scanner, power point, etc?

[NiteMaestro]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

I'd be surprised if the Raiders went 8-8 this year.

Chargers - L
Chiefs - Coiuld go either way
Broncos - L
Texans - L
Giants - L
Eagles - L
Jets - L
Chargers - L
Chiefs - Could go either way
Bengals - L
Cowboys - L
Steelers - L
Redskins - L
Broncos - L
Browns - W
Ravens - L

I say 4-12 maybe 5-11 this year tops for the Raiders with current rosters and before any major injuries to the Radiers and any of their opponents.

Admittedly, I forgot about their schedule...
So prolly not 8-8...
I see :
L,W,W,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,W,L,L,W,W,W
(Cowboys lose by a fluke, and Ravens don't care by that point (already in playoffs))

[NiteMaestro]

Originally Posted by Cap Ologist

To prove Al Davis is crazy, you don't need to look at his drafts, his free agent signings, or his coaching hire. All you need to know is that he used a freaking overhead projector in a press conference when he fired a coach. Does anybody in Oakland not know how to use a scanner, power point, etc?

Lol

Personally though, I like overheads.
Good memories

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Admittedly, I forgot about their schedule...
So prolly not 8-8...

Yeah, um, in order to win games, they actually have to play games. And those games usually come against other teams.

Just saying.

[stevew]

This is the type of trade the Steelers never make. Instead of holding onto a cunty bitch like Faneca they keep him for a comp pick. And he plays like crap. And the 3rd round comp pick is actually a fifth rounder cause nobody in the front office reads the rules on pick allocation.

[stevew]

I meant trade obviously

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Yeah, um, in order to win games, they actually have to play games. And those games usually come against other teams.

Just saying.

Colin White is a New Orleans Voodoo fan.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Colin White is a New Orleans Voodoo fan.

guess i'm done here

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Logan

Am I really the only one who's had him on ignore this whole time?

I also try to ignore tom Brady, but hes just oo lame to keep off the TV

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

No.

Really I was a Raider fan. My Only team. I nearly came to blows with someone who told me this once before. It was sort of a wake up call to let me know that if this discussion brought me to the edge of decking someone, that I I'd probably had a bit too much to drink that night.

To be fair, it wasn't his declaration that I "wasn't a really a Raider fan" that set me off. I was able to blow that off completely. It was when he defended Davis' handling of the Marcus Allen affair. More specifically, when he declared that Allen was the one at fault, and a "traitor".

I haven't turned my back on the Raiders. I've turned my back on Al Davis.

My post was just my opinion, so you shouldn't worry about it. Obviously I didn't know the specifics of your situation, but in general most fans who stop rooting for a team were probably not real fans anyway. Regarding the Allen situation, Davis probably was at fault, but I imagine both probably had some blame. Davis is stubborn to a fault, he supports you like no other if you're on his good side, but if not his bad side then you see something like that.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

I'd be surprised if the Raiders went 8-8 this year.

Chargers - L
Chiefs - Coiuld go either way
Broncos - L
Texans - L
Giants - L
Eagles - L
Jets - L
Chargers - L
Chiefs - Could go either way
Bengals - L
Cowboys - L
Steelers - L
Redskins - L
Broncos - L
Browns - W
Ravens - L

I say 4-12 maybe 5-11 this year tops for the Raiders with current rosters and before any major injuries to the Radiers and any of their opponents.

You are massively overrating the Broncos, The Raiders not being very good could easily sweep them this year. They could sweep the Chiefs too. Overall, I think they could win 3/4 of those games. The rest if the schedule, probably 4 or 5 maximum.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by NiteMaestro

Admittedly, I forgot about their schedule...
So prolly not 8-8...
I see :
L,W,W,L,L,L,L,L,L,L,W,L,L,W,W,W
(Cowboys lose by a fluke, and Ravens don't care by that point (already in playoffs))

The Chiefs and Broncos games can go either way. Broncos having a slightly better defense and better offense. Chiefs are hard to figure out, they will probably beat the Chargers at least once this year just because they are the Chiefs and just because it's the Chargers, rosters having nothing to do with it, it's a league rule.

The Cowboys are a funny team, but, baring a total offensive collapse, I can't see them losing to the Raiders. The Ravens game, I don't know, Flaco would have to be hurt in my opinion and the Ravens defense would have to be M.I.A. for them to lose that game.

But, we will see, lots of things can change between Monday nights loss to the Chargers and the end of the season.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Danny

You are massively overrating the Broncos, The Raiders not being very good could easily sweep them this year. They could sweep the Chiefs too. Overall, I think they could win 3/4 of those games. The rest if the schedule, probably 4 or 5 maximum.

so you are giving the Raiders 7-9 wins?

Care to take action on that?

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Danny

You are massively overrating the Broncos, The Raiders not being very good could easily sweep them this year. They could sweep the Chiefs too. Overall, I think they could win 3/4 of those games. The rest if the schedule, probably 4 or 5 maximum.

That's very possible, but, I'm giving the edge to Denver due to their head coach's former team and the guy who was the head coach in New England and a slightly better offense (o-line mostly) and a slightly better defense.

Let's say they split the Chiefs and Broncos, they beat the Browns. Other than the Jets, Bengals and Texans, I can't see the rest of the schedule looking good for them.

Anything is possible for sure though.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so you are giving the Raiders 7-9 wins?

Care to take action on that?

Not exactly, I said 3 out of 4 of Den/KC, not 3 or 4, so basically I said 7 or 8 wins maximum. which is different from the most likely scenario which is probably 6 wins.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Not exactly, I said 3 out of 4 of Den/KC, not 3 or 4, so basically I said 7 or 8 wins maximum. which is different from the most likely scenario which is probably 6 wins.

so you'll take 6 wins or better?

I'll still take action on that

[NiteMaestro]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so you'll take 6 wins or better?

I'll still take action on that

I wouldn't feel right taking your money...

[jbergey22]

The Raiders circus continues. It amazes me they still have such a large fanbase. The Raiders have to be the worst run organization in sports. Was it that hard for them to get a deal done before the trade was finalized? And seriously you have no chance at the playoffs this year or next, save the damn first round pick. Or better yet lets overpay for a past his prime defensive lineman who is supposedly going to shut down the run all by himself.

You see well run organizations(Steelers, Patriots, and Colts) and then you see this. Its going to take more than a salary cap to keep the Raiders competitive.

[Julio Riddols]

If I were any other teams GM, I'd call the Raiders up and see if they were interested in any of my aging guys headed into their contract year while there are still good picks left to steal.

[Autumn]

If I were any other GM I'd callt he Raiders up about anything. There's a 100% chance that you'd come away from the phone call having fleeced them in some way.