FOF2K4: QuikSand Beta Tester Diary (FINAL ENTRY POSTED 11/3) - Page 4

Ben E Lou · 10-25-2003, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
Hey may just be referring to contracts with no signing bonus. They're virtually no-risk.

Yup. They are, unless of course you cut a guy and want to re-sign him later on and can't. I'm VERY glad to hear that this has been toned down!

EDIT: Typo.

Maple Leafs · 10-25-2003, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
Yup. They are, unless of course you (awkward Freudian slip typo removed)...

I must have missed that button.

Ben E Lou · 10-25-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
I must have missed that button.

ACK!!!! Typo! Editing now!

JeeberD · 10-25-2003, 05:31 PM

What did he say!!!!

Alf · 10-25-2003, 07:29 PM

I second JeeberD. What did SkyDog say ?

Ben E Lou · 10-28-2003, 07:52 AM

New diary today? Three days is the longest we've gone so far...

Bee · 10-28-2003, 08:01 AM

We could use an early morning fix...

FrogMan · 10-28-2003, 08:29 AM

yeah, would be nice for the coffee break...

FM

QuikSand · 10-28-2003, 08:53 AM

Sorry - a combination of real life and other beta testing has pulled me away from the diary... but I hope to have another one written today.

Bee · 10-28-2003, 10:07 AM

I'm sorry Quiksand, but you need to get your priorities straight. Putting your real life ahead of my entertainment just isn't acceptable.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-28-2003, 07:20 PM

There is a link for new diary entry (entitled opening up the engines), but when I click on it, it pulls up the last entry from the 25th. Just thought I'd let you know, in case you didn't already. Hope to see the actual new entry soon.

sabotai · 10-28-2003, 07:32 PM

The new entry is up now.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-28-2003, 08:21 PM

After reading that latest entry, I'm getting attached to the Cleveland Maroons too a little, but mostly it is really getting my juices flowing to start playing again. I hope it comes out soon as I just can't get myself to play FOF4 again right now, knowing that the new game will be out soon.

Bee · 10-28-2003, 08:24 PM

The diary is definitely getting me excited to play the new game. I really hope with the electronic distribution settled Jim will be able to release the game as soon as it's finished the beta testing.

FrogMan · 10-28-2003, 08:25 PM

This is just what I did over the weekend. Simply couldn't wait, I started a career and I'm trying not to get attached to my players too much, this is tough

FM

Ksyrup · 10-28-2003, 08:35 PM

Yep, I'm ready to download and get a career started.

NoMyths · 10-28-2003, 08:47 PM

Nice job, Quik. Although it might be more accurately titled a beta player's diary than a beta tester's.

I keep waiting for the detailed entry where you discuss cutting all of your players and signing nothing but punters just to see what happens.

Ben E Lou · 10-29-2003, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by NoMyths
Nice job, Quik. Although it might be more accurately titled a beta player's diary than a beta tester's.

I keep waiting for the detailed entry where you discuss cutting all of your players and signing nothing but punters just to see what happens.

Well, Jim mentioned this somewhere (maybe a page or so back in this thread....not sure), but Quik is actually running two instances of the game, having to un-install and re-install different beta builds to test as opposed to play the diary career. As he mentioned in this entry, he's moving forward to a newer build with the next.

In other words, it sounds like Quik is going through a royal pain in order to get the diary to us.

NoMyths · 10-29-2003, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
Well, Jim mentioned this somewhere (maybe a page or so back in this thread....not sure), but Quik is actually running two instances of the game, having to un-install and re-install different beta builds to test as opposed to play the diary career. As he mentioned in this entry, he's moving forward to a newer build with the next.

In other words, it sounds like Quik is going through a royal pain in order to get the diary to us.

I don't doubt that Quik is doing an excellent job testing the game. I'm poking fun at the fact that the diary is a play diary, and not a test diary. I didn't expect that I'd have to explain that.

Bee · 10-30-2003, 12:39 PM

Any chance for an update today?

FrogMan · 10-30-2003, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Bee
Any chance for an update today?

slow news day at the office, Bee?

FM

Bee · 10-30-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by FrogMan
slow news day at the office, Bee?

FM

yep...and half my staff is off today for some reason. Never quite figured out how that happens. 3 weeks and no one takes a day off and then on a Thursday 9 people decide not to show up.

sabotai · 10-30-2003, 01:30 PM

Haha, you weren't invited.

QuikSand · 11-03-2003, 09:14 AM

I believe the final diary entry has been posted. Sort of a wrap up and reflection on the whole process, with a little detail on some of the larger changes that have taken place during the beta process.

Here's the general link again: Beta Diary

cuervo72 · 11-03-2003, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by QuikSand
Beta Diray

I didn't know you were developing a two-pronged weapon!

Ben E Lou · 11-03-2003, 09:33 AM

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Another area of the game that has gotten even more work (but will be less outwardly visible) is the AI mechanisms for teams filling out their rosters. It's a source of frustration that just about any gamer can keep looking and looking until he gets close enough to find something that doesn't make sense. Sometimes, the criticism follows an "impossible" result like a team winning despite completing only two passes or a team handing the ball off 51 times to their top running back. Other times, it's that one of the computer-run teams made a roster decision that someone doesn't think was in the team's best interests.

In terms of signing free agents, pursuing rookie players, and completing the roster for the season, this game has made some real strides forward. I have no doubts at all that there will still be hiccups, and that there will be things to criticize. I'm a non- programmer myself, but even I can understand that there are limits to how layered these things can really get in a game like this. But, there has been no shortage of effort and dedication from Jim to tackle this, even at the very minute level. One thing that I am very impressed with (and will be a real help to the gamers) is that the general screen showing each team's "top need positions" does a rather solid job of accurately portraying the team's immediate needs. I checked this out pretty well when testing, and eventually got to where I felt I could really count on it to see what each team really needed at that stage. Having reliable shortcuts like this makes the game a lot easier to navigate, I think.

This section has me salivating.

Godzilla Blitz · 11-03-2003, 02:44 PM

What Skydog said.

Excellent news. My interest in this release has just taken a big jump forwards. Looking forward to hearing how the new game will play out. Sounds like it could be much more challenging to win.

wbonnell · 11-03-2003, 05:11 PM

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I must have missed it: who are the members of the beta test team?

RPI-Fan · 11-03-2003, 05:12 PM

I think QuikSand is the only one that we know of...

Ben E Lou · 11-03-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by wbonnell
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I must have missed it: who are the members of the beta test team?

Actually I don't think it has been asked, or answered. If it has, I missed it too.

Ksyrup · 11-03-2003, 05:15 PM

I don't think it has, either, and I was wondering the same thing, only because QS' latest diary indicated that he was the only one without technical programming knowledge.

NoMyths · 11-03-2003, 05:22 PM

From the diary:
One reader has remarked that the diary has read more like a "beta player diary" than a "beta tester diary" because of this approach.

Nothing but warm feelings for you, Quik...you did a great job with the diary. I tease because I love.

QuikSand · 11-03-2003, 07:59 PM

I always know where you're coming from, NoMyths.

MizzouRah · 11-03-2003, 08:22 PM

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(The rookie signing process is also a little more intriguing on this account - it's possible to have rookies hold out and miss training camp, which lessens your ability to know quite where you are at that position as they remain unsigned - a good systematic addition, I think).

Another awesome element that was missed in v4.

Thanks! again QS, excellent reading material. Oh, and I went from 'waiting on impressions' to 'my amx card is sitting next to the pc' just by your writings and Jim's envolvement back into the community. Seems like FOFC is alive again, and that's a great thing!

Todd

Buccaneer · 11-03-2003, 09:06 PM

I wonder how these play out in an online league (like rookie holdouts)? I am still interested in playing this more for multiplayer than solo but it does sound like there is a lot there for many here.

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10-25-2003, 07:29 PM	#155
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10-28-2003, 07:52 AM	#156
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	New diary today? Three days is the longest we've gone so far... __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-28-2003, 08:29 AM	#158
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	yeah, would be nice for the coffee break... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

10-28-2003, 07:20 PM	#161
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	There is a link for new diary entry (entitled opening up the engines), but when I click on it, it pulls up the last entry from the 25th. Just thought I'd let you know, in case you didn't already. Hope to see the actual new entry soon. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 10-28-2003 at 07:21 PM.

10-28-2003, 08:01 AM	#157
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	We could use an early morning fix...

10-28-2003, 08:53 AM	#159
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Sorry - a combination of real life and other beta testing has pulled me away from the diary... but I hope to have another one written today.

10-28-2003, 10:07 AM	#160
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I'm sorry Quiksand, but you need to get your priorities straight. Putting your real life ahead of my entertainment just isn't acceptable.

10-28-2003, 07:32 PM	#162
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	The new entry is up now.

10-28-2003, 08:21 PM	#163
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	After reading that latest entry, I'm getting attached to the Cleveland Maroons too a little, but mostly it is really getting my juices flowing to start playing again. I hope it comes out soon as I just can't get myself to play FOF4 again right now, knowing that the new game will be out soon. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 10-28-2003 at 08:36 PM.

10-28-2003, 08:24 PM	#164
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	The diary is definitely getting me excited to play the new game. I really hope with the electronic distribution settled Jim will be able to release the game as soon as it's finished the beta testing.

10-28-2003, 08:25 PM	#165
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	This is just what I did over the weekend. Simply couldn't wait, I started a career and I'm trying not to get attached to my players too much, this is tough FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

10-28-2003, 08:35 PM	#166
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yep, I'm ready to download and get a career started. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-28-2003, 08:47 PM	#167
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Nice job, Quik. Although it might be more accurately titled a beta player's diary than a beta tester's. I keep waiting for the detailed entry where you discuss cutting all of your players and signing nothing but punters just to see what happens.

10-30-2003, 12:39 PM	#170
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Any chance for an update today?

10-30-2003, 01:30 PM	#173
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Haha, you weren't invited.

11-03-2003, 09:14 AM	#174
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I believe the final diary entry has been posted. Sort of a wrap up and reflection on the whole process, with a little detail on some of the larger changes that have taken place during the beta process. Here's the general link again: Beta Diary Last edited by QuikSand : 11-03-2003 at 09:28 AM.

11-03-2003, 02:44 PM	#177
Godzilla Blitz College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	What Skydog said. Excellent news. My interest in this release has just taken a big jump forwards. Looking forward to hearing how the new game will play out. Sounds like it could be much more challenging to win. __________________ Current Blog Projects: Final Fantasy: Lost in Japanese Kaboom Review

11-03-2003, 05:11 PM	#178
wbonnell College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Round Rock TX	I'm sure this has been asked before, but I must have missed it: who are the members of the beta test team?

11-03-2003, 05:12 PM	#179
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	I think QuikSand is the only one that we know of... __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

11-03-2003, 05:15 PM	#181
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I don't think it has, either, and I was wondering the same thing, only because QS' latest diary indicated that he was the only one without technical programming knowledge. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

11-03-2003, 05:22 PM	#182
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	From the diary: One reader has remarked that the diary has read more like a "beta player diary" than a "beta tester diary" because of this approach. Nothing but warm feelings for you, Quik...you did a great job with the diary. I tease because I love.

11-03-2003, 07:59 PM	#183
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I always know where you're coming from, NoMyths.

11-03-2003, 09:06 PM	#185
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I wonder how these play out in an online league (like rookie holdouts)? I am still interested in playing this more for multiplayer than solo but it does sound like there is a lot there for many here.

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