SpongeBob SquarePants Angers Christian Conservatives

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Radii

I won't comment on the rest of your post b/c I think it's a little too far to the extreme end for my views(as I generally consider myself to believe in a higher power but all the details after that are pretty sketchy), but the part that I quoted above is exactly how I view much of organized religon and the bible itself.


And that is, of course, the problem with discussions like this in the first place. How can I respond to someone who believes, word for word, what the bible tells him, when I think that's the same thing as basing my beliefs on the Illiad or Oddysey?

I am generally driven by my desire to be a good person. Many people define what a good person is based on the bible. I do not. It's a pretty big disconnect when it comes to things like homosexuality.

then, Radii, you and i are much the same. i was raised Catholic and my mother sacrificed much to be able to afford to send my sister and i to a private Catholic school. if she were to hear me say all this religion stuff is hogwash she'd flip out. but i say it's the end-result that counts. are you a good person and did you make the world a better place to be - that's all that matters in the end. belief in fairy tales and witchcraft is not necessary.

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i don't believe in him, but if He does exist then when it's my time to be judged my good will outweigh the bad. i don't think He'd send a good Hindu person to Hell just because they didn't necessarily believe in him. a good person who says prayers is a good person who says prayers, belief in people who can walk on water and rise from the dead notwithstanding.

This does not sound like the Christian God that I am familiar with. It's not typical Christian doctrine that simply being good gets you anywhere. I was under the impression that was more common amongst the Jewish though. According to what I am familiar with, someone who murders 25 people and is "Saved" will go before someone who does good deeds but has not "embraced Jesus as his Lord and Savior."

[Loren]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Congrats! That is actually the greatest news you can hear on this planet! As we will all one day find out!

not to be a big meany or nothing but the happy face there got me singing that damn song from Bubble Boy about happy shiny people

Originally Posted by Tekneek

Oh, wait... Take personal responsibility for it? That seems like such an outlandish concept.

well, we've always been unique, what can we say

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Didn't see it. Promoting you views on sexuality in the classroom is every bit as wrong as promoting religion.

Is there legal precedent that there is a separation between the state (government ran school) and a discussion on human sexuality?

[Bubba Wheels]

To 'be a good person' to a Christian doesn't wash, because you are doing something within yourself to be "saved', or to 'go to heaven.' If this is possible, the sacrafice Jesus made wasn't necessary. We are saved by grace, freely given to us, never earned. Just making a point based on the Bible.

Have to admit, I do wonder sometimes where the cut-off point for me talking about Biblical priciples will be. Cause the Bible itself states many of these principles will be offensive to those who don't believe. Understand I am not telling you to believe this way. But if we are going to have consensus in this country on things like this these things will havd to be discussed. In some ways this board is pretty cutting-edge (for those who can take it!)

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by Loren

not to be a big meany or nothing but the happy face there got me singing that damn song from Bubble Boy about happy shiny people

well, we've always been unique, what can we say

A recent study did show that as a group, Evangelical Christians were generally the happiest group of people in the U.S. Will have to see if I can dig that one up!

[Raiders Army]

Personally, I would have thought that the happiest group of people in the U.S. would be kids 5 and under. No school. No work. Watch Spongebob...

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

And then Crusades, Inquisition, all things done by one sect (Catholic Church) are put forth to promote this idea. Read some Martin Luther bud. Or better yet, watch the movie (just came out on DVD.)

Yeah, maybe one of the most hurtful and ignorant things I have ever read. On one hand the actions of those in power of the Church equals the Church, on the other the actions of a VERY Catholic Martin Luther does not equal the Church.
Horrible actions by Christians (which by the way it was the Prod's that extingushed the native population here) does not make Chrsitianity bad, b/c those are very unChristian acts. Luther was great in his unrestlessness, but IMO I think the real radical notions came from St. Francis' insistence on joy, humility and charity. Oh, wait, he was Catholic before Luther, I guess just gets dismissed as a killer.

Also, it is not by chance Focus on the Family is behind this intolerance thing. Here is a book by the son of the leader Dobson: hxxp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590521528/qid=1106335200/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-0045982-6711821?v=glance&s=books

I personally am intolerant of parents who let their kids get fat, to the point of being healthy. Seems like a sin to me. Of course if it were, we would have to get rid of nutrition classes in school....

[Loren]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Didn't see it. Promoting you views on sexuality in the classroom is every bit as wrong as promoting religion.

WHAT!! you dont even know what the material was andd you've never seen the video..K, I'm just gonna read over your posts from here on, because you have no backup to anything, which is kinda sad..you read your articles and whatever else you want but you do no research yourself for your opinions..how could you seriously make any sort of REAL decision for yourself or your family that way, about ANYTHING jinkies...im at a loss here.. I just could never take anyone seriously when they havent examined all sides to an issue, so there's no point in me reading your posts anymore..im just not blind sheep material I guess

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

This does not sound like the Christian God that I am familiar with. It's not typical Christian doctrine that simply being good gets you anywhere. I was under the impression that was more common amongst the Jewish though. According to what I am familiar with, someone who murders 25 people and is "Saved" will go before someone who does good deeds but has not "embraced Jesus as his Lord and Savior."

if that's the case then God can keep his Heaven and i'll have a dandy ole time in Purgatory.

i'd sure hate to be Hindu or Buddhist. those guys got it all wrong. they haven't accepted JC. yeesh...sucks to be them.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Personally, I would have thought that the happiest group of people in the U.S. would be kids 5 and under. No school. No work. Watch Spongebob...

Gotta say, I do all the above WITH my kid and im pretty damn happy

mann, I believe in God(the bible one),Hinduism, and Buddhist philosophies, and done some things im sure I'd have reserved seating hell for, they're gonna play musical chairs with me when i bite it but im still pretty darn happy cuz im ever soo nice AND tolerant

[Suicane75]

So wait, you're arguing not against the first thing you didn't see, but against the 2nd thing you didn't see?

[digamma]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

I'd like a plain hamburger, please.

***takes off shirt***

OLE MISS

[miked]

This reminds of the Simpsons I saw the other night with the whole "Gravey and Doliath" cartoon that the Flanders watch instead of Itchy and Scratchy.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by digamma

***takes off shirt***

OLE MISS

**hands digamma a mansier**

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by digamma

***takes off shirt***

OLE MISS

Just when I was really starting to get bummed out by BW replacing me on Subby's list, you manage to come up with the definitive post in the entire thread. Just about perfect IMO.

Thanks.

[Raiders Army]

Here's another thing:

1. If it's too good to be true, then it probably is.
2. Be good for, what, say 60-100 years? Plus be "saved".
3. Gain entry to Heaven for all eternity.

60-100 years is waaaaaaaay less than eternity, which is like, ummm, a long time.

[Franklinnoble]

Spongebob is not gay.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Yes, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, great religionists that killed millions of people. Oh, they were athiests? Oh well...

This doesn't hold water. Millions and million have people have been killed in the name of religion. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, these guys did horrible things, yes. They killed thousands of people, yes. But they didn't do it in the name of Atheism. They just happened to be Atheists who were in power and did some horrible things. Religion, on the other hand, has been directly responsible for the deaths, explotation, and suffering of people throughout time. People's fucked up view of religion has led to this.

Religion has it's good points too, in a lot of ways, but it's also likely the largest greatest evil man ever invented.

[Crapshoot]

My god, there are some dumb rednecks on this board.
Then again, Im fairly sure that the correlation between those that oppose "homosexuality" and people who opposed desegregation 40 years earlier is pretty high. Clearly, "tolerance" of race based differences was a bad idea.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Spongebob is not gay.

LMAOROTFL FWIW FYI!

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

My god, there are some dumb rednecks on this board.
Then again, Im fairly sure that the correlation between those that oppose "homosexuality" and people who opposed desegregation 40 years earlier is pretty high. Clearly, "tolerance" of race based differences was a bad idea.

While I don't necessarily agree that the conservative Christians aren't a little whacked, I think there's a difference between tolerance of race and tolerance of lifestyle.

While it may be argued that being gay is not a choice, it clearly is in opposition to procreation. Race is nothing of the sort. Also, it is possible to stay in the closet without anyone knowing, while it is harder to maintain that you're Caucasian with a really dark tan.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

My god, there are some dumb rednecks on this board.
Then again, Im fairly sure that the correlation between those that oppose "homosexuality" and people who opposed desegregation 40 years earlier is pretty high. Clearly, "tolerance" of race based differences was a bad idea.

Way to tolerate those with different opinions. Nice job setting the example. Wouldn't want to promote a stereotype or anything.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

While I don't necessarily agree that the conservative Christians aren't a little whacked, I think there's a difference between tolerance of race and tolerance of lifestyle.

While it may be argued that being gay is not a choice, it clearly is in opposition to procreation. Race is nothing of the sort. Also, it is possible to stay in the closet without anyone knowing, while it is harder to maintain that you're Caucasian with a really dark tan.

The underlying logic that anyone who doesnt follow a certain roadmap is "wrong" in someway is pretty much the same.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Way to tolerate those with different opinions. Nice job setting the example. Wouldn't want to promote a stereotype or anything.

Franklin, in this thread people have claimed that tolerance by definition is sin- explain to me how accepting someone of a different race (to take one example of "tolerance") is a sin. It was an inane, dumbass statement, and deserves to be called on as such.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Franklin, in this thread people have claimed that tolerance by definition is sin- explain to me how accepting someone of a different race (to take one example of "tolerance") is a sin. It was an inane, dumbass statement, and deserves to be called on as such.

It is not tolerance by itself that = sin. It is the tolerance of SIN! That is the sin being committed by the acceptance that it is ok to be Gay to have premarital sex to look at porn.

[Suicane75]

I'm gay, and I love Sov.

[miked]

Originally Posted by G-Man

It is not tolerance by itself that = sin. It is the tolerance of SIN! That is the sin being committed by the acceptance that it is ok to be Gay to have premarital sex to look at porn.

Fine. Nobody is telling kids to like being gay or like the concept of homosexuality. They are merely trying to promote tolerance of people, not their actions/backgrounds....you know...hate the sin, love the sinner.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

A recent study did show that as a group, Evangelical Christians were generally the happiest group of people in the U.S. Will have to see if I can dig that one up!

Most self-delusional people are very happy. Therefore, I can't say I'm surprised at the results.
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Spongebob is gay and will sneak in the night and cornhole your children and small furry animals. Lock the doors and keep a weapon handy!

BLAM!

[Huckleberry]

Spongbob is totally violating Leviticus 18:22 by promoting tolerance of those who violate it. And 20:13.

Of course, Leviticus 18:21 is violated daily on television. 19:12, too, of course. And 20:10 is constantly violated. I'm a little confused on 21:5, though. Seems to me 99% of men on TV violate that one, but I'm no scholar.

It's all so confusing.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by G-Man

It is not tolerance by itself that = sin. It is the tolerance of SIN! That is the sin being committed by the acceptance that it is ok to be Gay to have premarital sex to look at porn.

Fine. Should I break out the Dr. Laura quotes about other "sins" that are being tolerated ?In fact, since you are a proponent of the Bible as some sort of absolute source, lets start.

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

I'll say this again. My problem is with people who don't realize the Bible is not infallible - it was collected by men, kept by men, and translated by men for 1500 years till the Printing Press was a viable alternative for mass distribution. Are you seriously of the belief that in 15 years and various translations, not a word or intent or anything was changed ?


Side Note: What was the original language ? Was it Latin or Arramaic ? Im not sure of this- it certainly isnt English, correct ?

[Raiders Army]

Slippery slope at its finest.

1. Tolerance of sin=going to Hell.
2. I allow video to be shown, thus I tolerate sin.
3. We're all going to Hell.

Every man for himself!

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Most self-delusional people are very happy. Therefore, I can't say I'm surprised at the results.
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Spongebob is gay and will sneak in the night and cornhole your children and small furry animals. Lock the doors and keep a weapon handy!

BLAM!

Is it delusional to be moral and treat people with love. To have a strong code of ethics that are uncompromised? To aspire to live for the Lord instead of one's selfish desires? If so than I am delusional as well, at least I am aspiring to be....

[rkmsuf]

Spongebob is all about love and underwater merryment.

[rkmsuf]

Ever see the way Arthur looks a DJ. That's where our attention should be focussed.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by G-Man

To aspire to live for the Lord's selfish desires instead of one's selfish desires?

Fixed it for ya.

That God sure is one conceited dude.

You must worship me. You must worship my Son.

You'd think an omnipotent guy would have a little more self-esteem.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by G-Man

It is not tolerance by itself that = sin. It is the tolerance of SIN! That is the sin being committed by the acceptance that it is ok to be Gay to have premarital sex to look at porn.

wow, Im glad you're not going to be the final judge on my life, im like 2 for 3 there, and probably depending on who's opinions maybe 3 for 3

you're not supposed to have sex while on your period:| I must have read over that part dangit.. and I'm Mexican, would I be allowed a Canadian slave

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Fine. Should I break out the Dr. Laura quotes about other "sins" that are being tolerated ?In fact, since you are a proponent of the Bible as some sort of absolute source, lets start.



I'll say this again. My problem is with people who don't realize the Bible is not infallible - it was collected by men, kept by men, and translated by men for 1500 years till the Printing Press was a viable alternative for mass distribution. Are you seriously of the belief that in 15 years and various translations, not a word or intent or anything was changed ?


Side Note: What was the original language ? Was it Latin or Arramaic ? Im not sure of this- it certainly isnt English, correct ?

No where does God say that slavery is ok! To the contrary Jesus teaches to respect one another, to love one another as you love yourself! To treat slaves well. If we were to truly live as Jesus teaches and as the Word lays out, then their would be no slavery! Remember God allows for free choice. Slavery is of man's making not His!

Dr. Laura's statement is taking the Bible out of context. Slavery in the days of Rome was an option for those who were bankrupt for example. It was nothing like the slavery of the African Blacks. As a matter of fact it was Evangelical Christians who first put a stop to African slaves being shipped to America.

[miked]

Originally Posted by G-Man

Is it delusional to be moral and treat people with love. To have a strong code of ethics that are uncompromised? To aspire to live for the Lord instead of one's selfish desires? If so than I am delusional as well, at least I am aspiring to be....

You just summed it up. Nowhere in your little dogma does it say to force people to believe what you do...just to be moral and treat people with love. These videos aren't there to tell you to accept homosexuality, or the existence of other religions, it is merely saying treat all people with respect regardless of what YOU believe. You can hate my sin of not believing in JC, but don't hate me or beat me up because of it.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by G-Man

Dr. Laura's statement is taking the Bible out of context.

out of context..who would've thought this could be possible

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Side Note: What was the original language ? Was it Latin or Arramaic ? Im not sure of this- it certainly isnt English, correct ?

I think most of the Old Testament was originally in Hebrew. A big issue with biblical translations is that due to the nature of language, translations are never perfect and with language that old we may never know the true intent and meaning of the original with precision. Also translation mistakes fester, and many of the translations of the bible today are translations from another language (Greek or Latin) not the original Hebrew (for those books written in Hebrew). It's like that game of telephone...

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by G-Man

No where does God say that slavery is ok!

Man, you really ought to read Exodus.

Originally Posted by God

If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

If you buy one, he has to serve six years.

Originally Posted by God

If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

Originally Posted by God

Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

[sportsfan13]

So are the people against the video trying say that we should keep our children locked up at home and away from outside influence and avoid any kind of situation that could differ from the perfect life we try and make for our family??? Wow....so are children are supposed to be trained, not curious. So when our children ask us questions, we're supposed to tell them what we want them to hear instead of what they need to hear?

[sportsfan13]

I think this is hilarious that we have posted over 190 posts all debating whether or not a fictional cartoon sponge that lives in the sea in a PINEAPPLE is trying to persuade our children to be gay. Only on this forum could we do that....I love it!

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

This kind of stuff kills me. Just because you can't force your worldview on everyone doesn't mean you're being persecuted. The notion that Christians are a persecuted group in America is beyond absurd and even hinting at equating the current state Christians in the US to the plight of Jews and gays in Nazi Germany is fucking insulting.

Preach on, brotha!

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by sportsfan13

I think this is hilarious that we have posted over 190 posts all debating whether or not a fictional cartoon sponge that lives in the sea in a PINEAPPLE is trying to persuade our children to be gay. Only on this forum could we do that....I love it!

What else are we gonna do when there is still nary a peep about TCY2...

[sportsfan13]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Personally, I would have thought that the happiest group of people in the U.S. would be kids 5 and under. No school. No work. Watch Spongebob...

I'm pretty sure that I got to do that all day, you could put me on that list of happiest people in the US. The ony thing that could make me happier is maybe a plain hamburger......CraigSca!!!

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by G-Man

I do believe that without Evangelical Christians this great country of ours would not be so great. Try and figure that one out

I'm still trying to figure it out.

[sportsfan13]

I'm just curious to how many people have actually watched SpongeBob?? I personally love that show. Anyone else going to 'fess up to watching it?

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

A recent study did show that as a group, Evangelical Christians were generally the happiest group of people in the U.S. Will have to see if I can dig that one up!

Ignorance is bliss.