OOTP Preview Thread (*17-YEAR-LEAGUE UPLOADED 4/16/2K4*)

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Great work so far...

- Is there any indication at all that AI teams are trading for youth or veterans based on team situations (contending vs. rebuilding)?

This hasn't been implemented yet, but is definitely on the radar.

-Craig

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

This hasn't been implemented yet, but is definitely on the radar.

-Craig

Whoa Whoa WHOAAAAAA..

Something as important as this, and it's not implemented this close to release? This is a VERY tough feature to code right, and the fact that it's not in and getting thoroughly tested through time prior to release has cooled my enthusiasm for the release period considerably.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

This hasn't been implemented yet, but is definitely on the radar.

For the release, or for a future patch?

[CraigSca]

LOL, no not this release . Possibly future patch, possibly next rev. We've haven't really discussed implementation yet, so it's "on the list" as a future feature but the timeframe hasn't been finalized yet.

BTW - yes, I'd be in a panic if this was going into this release as well But, that's my nature...

[Suicane75]

Can anyone address wether or not the issue of having computer generated 2B & SS with 1B power and 1B & 3B with CF speed has been addressed? Seems to me that in the past the attributes were sort of random and didn't really correlate well to the basic "feel" of Baseball. I remember some people talking about that in past versions and it really turned me off.

[cincyreds]

SkyDog I appreciate you doing this bro! I have been glued to this thread since it started. Very good, very helpful.

Even the constructive feedback is great to read. It will help Markus release the best and most realistic OOTP yet.

I preordered the game about 3 weeks ago, so I am getting excited about this one as well.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Can anyone address wether or not the issue of having computer generated 2B & SS with 1B power and 1B & 3B with CF speed has been addressed? Seems to me that in the past the attributes were sort of random and didn't really correlate well to the basic "feel" of Baseball. I remember some people talking about that in past versions and it really turned me off.

Quick answer I can give to that one...

Past Outstanding Batter Winners Friday, 10/1/2019

Past Outstanding Batter Winners

2004 Winners

League 1: RF Jonathan Bush, C(, (553 AB, .373 AVG, 45 HR, 131 RBI, 138 R, 206 Hits, 1.184 OPS) League 2: RF John Frasher, HOU, (559 AB, .335 AVG, 38 HR, 122 RBI, 123 R, 187 Hits, 1.048 OPS)

2005 Winners

League 1: LF Darron Walck, TB, (540 AB, .372 AVG, 73 HR, 165 RBI, 147 R, 201 Hits, 1.323 OPS) League 2: 1B Terry Junker, NY, (557 AB, .339 AVG, 37 HR, 103 RBI, 110 R, 189 Hits, 1.058 OPS)

2006 Winners

League 1: LF Darron Walck, TB, (543 AB, .341 AVG, 52 HR, 137 RBI, 124 R, 185 Hits, 1.155 OPS) League 2: 1B Terry Junker, HOU, (543 AB, .387 AVG, 40 HR, 115 RBI, 132 R, 210 Hits, 1.191 OPS)

2007 Winners

League 1: LF Darron Walck, TB, (543 AB, .376 AVG, 57 HR, 142 RBI, 144 R, 204 Hits, 1.262 OPS) League 2: LF Markus Maston, NY, (603 AB, .300 AVG, 42 HR, 136 RBI, 122 R, 181 Hits, .959 OPS)

2008 Winners

League 1: LF Albert Lord, BOS, (601 AB, .349 AVG, 39 HR, 135 RBI, 135 R, 210 Hits, 1.003 OPS) League 2: 3B Eric Gingerich, PHI, (553 AB, .356 AVG, 39 HR, 133 RBI, 122 R, 197 Hits, 1.127 OPS)

2009 Winners

League 1: RF Thomas Pascual, CLE, (585 AB, .308 AVG, 48 HR, 132 RBI, 114 R, 180 Hits, .999 OPS) League 2: LF Jose Claudin, HOU, (585 AB, .345 AVG, 24 HR, 104 RBI, 98 R, 202 Hits, .922 OPS)

2010 Winners

League 1: RF Thomas Pascual, CLE, (517 AB, .331 AVG, 43 HR, 125 RBI, 106 R, 171 Hits, 1.055 OPS) League 2: 1B Braulio Alvarez, NY, (537 AB, .331 AVG, 47 HR, 116 RBI, 118 R, 178 Hits, 1.089 OPS)

2011 Winners

League 1: LF Alvin Caperton, C(, (628 AB, .331 AVG, 53 HR, 135 RBI, 131 R, 208 Hits, 1.023 OPS) League 2: LF Brian Kunimatsu, ATL, (579 AB, .311 AVG, 44 HR, 114 RBI, 120 R, 180 Hits, 1.021 OPS)

2012 Winners

League 1: RF John Frasher, NY, (561 AB, .339 AVG, 42 HR, 139 RBI, 124 R, 190 Hits, 1.052 OPS) League 2: RF Jerome Paquette, NY, (562 AB, .324 AVG, 43 HR, 116 RBI, 102 R, 182 Hits, 1.034 OPS)

2013 Winners

League 1: CF Juan Ramirez, DET, (609 AB, .292 AVG, 59 HR, 168 RBI, 125 R, 178 Hits, 1.007 OPS) League 2: RF Jerome Paquette, NY, (544 AB, .338 AVG, 45 HR, 137 RBI, 125 R, 184 Hits, 1.110 OPS)

2014 Winners

League 1: 2B Hipolito Castro, DET, (599 AB, .332 AVG, 57 HR, 161 RBI, 133 R, 199 Hits, 1.113 OPS) League 2: 1B Braulio Alvarez, NY, (576 AB, .309 AVG, 37 HR, 124 RBI, 122 R, 178 Hits, .985 OPS)

2015 Winners

League 1: LF Brian Kunimatsu, BOS, (606 AB, .320 AVG, 44 HR, 157 RBI, 118 R, 194 Hits, .998 OPS) League 2: 1B Jack Dekker, FLO, (540 AB, .348 AVG, 30 HR, 113 RBI, 116 R, 188 Hits, 1.098 OPS)

2016 Winners

League 1: 1B Timothy Pankey, CLE, (613 AB, .330 AVG, 48 HR, 136 RBI, 141 R, 202 Hits, 1.038 OPS) League 2: 2B Christopher Mooney, C(, (562 AB, .317 AVG, 46 HR, 127 RBI, 118 R, 178 Hits, 1.040 OPS)

2017 Winners

League 1: RF Thomas Aparicio, TB, (597 AB, .325 AVG, 48 HR, 134 RBI, 120 R, 194 Hits, 1.046 OPS) League 2: CF Juan Ramirez, MON, (614 AB, .331 AVG, 51 HR, 144 RBI, 122 R, 203 Hits, 1.055 OPS)

2018 Winners

League 1: 1B Timothy Pankey, CLE, (594 AB, .318 AVG, 43 HR, 130 RBI, 141 R, 189 Hits, 1.009 OPS) League 2: CF Juan Ramirez, MON, (612 AB, .309 AVG, 56 HR, 127 RBI, 121 R, 189 Hits, 1.021 OPS)

Out of the Park Developments - The place for baseball and boxing simulation games
Out of the Park Baseball Homepage - The home of the Out of the Park Baseball SeriesI'll check more later on, but notice that the big boppers are virtually all corner infielders and outfielders.

[SirFozzie]

And my desire for the game has now died. Oh well. So much for a improved realistic trading system.

[Suicane75]

SkyDog, I like the look of that list, although 2 48+ HR 2B worries me just a tad bit, I can live with it. Just one further question, and no need to go out and do it right away, what do the whole of the 2B & SS's in the league look like? Do the majority of them have alot of power or are there just a few with the majority being prototypical speed/defense kind of guys?

[Ben E Lou]

Little more...

In my top 10 all-time SB list, all are 2B or OF, except one 1B, and he never was a big SB guy. Never has had more than 43 in a season, and hits for decent power (20-25 HR's). In the top 10 all-time HR list, 9 of the 10 are OF/corner IF. There is a 2B at #9, but that's it. That sounds pretty good to me.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

SkyDog, I like the look of that list, although 2 48+ HR 2B worries me just a tad bit, I can live with it. Just one further question, and no need to go out and do it right away, what do the whole of the 2B & SS's in the league look like? Do the majority of them have alot of power or are there just a few with the majority being prototypical speed/defense kind of guys?

That's not hard to check at all. I just did a quick look. There are some speed/defense, and some power, but definitely a variance. At first look, I'd say there are too many middle infielders with better home run power than contact hitting/speed/defense, but not to an alarming degree, either.

[Suicane75]

Cool, thank you very much.

[Terps]

Nice impressions so far, thanks. I have a question about the Rule 5 draft when you mess around with that. I'll give a real MLB example here.

The Orioles took 3B Jose Bautista in the recent Rule 5 draft, from the Pirates. Now, if the Orioles don't want to keep him on the 25 man roster for the whole season (which is the rule when claiming someone from Rule 5), they either have to give him back to the Pirates, or make a trade with the Pirates for the rights to Bautista so that they can send him down to the minors. Is that in there?

[Upstate J]

I haven't read any different (or if I had, I have forgotten) but, Does OOTP6 still include detailed manager profiles for the solo player. My question is focused more on the inclution of marrage status, kids, etc. This is an addition to the game that I enjoyed, despite complaints from many others.

Is there any word that? Any changes?

[Ben E Lou]

I'm going to be busy with some work stuff for the next several hours, so don't expect any new info. I'll be at my desk most of the time, though, so I'll be able to answer *some* questions. At this point, I'm thinking that the preview will continue with a complete HTML upload from 20ish seasons with the new build, which would be 10-12 hours after whenever I receive it.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by Terps

Nice impressions so far, thanks. I have a question about the Rule 5 draft when you mess around with that. I'll give a real MLB example here.

The Orioles took 3B Jose Bautista in the recent Rule 5 draft, from the Pirates. Now, if the Orioles don't want to keep him on the 25 man roster for the whole season (which is the rule when claiming someone from Rule 5), they either have to give him back to the Pirates, or make a trade with the Pirates for the rights to Bautista so that they can send him down to the minors. Is that in there?

Due to complexity issues on the AI side, this isn't implemented. As it stands now, if you want to take him off the 25-man roster, he must clear waivers. If he does not, and is claimed by another team, they need to keep him on the active roster for the entire year.

It was our intent to mimic the actual rules here, but it's my understanding that the additional complexity would have been overwhleming in the timeframe allowed.

-Craig

[Cap Ologist]

Nice preview so far. I have never been into baseball, but I'm definitely getting excited about this game.

I have a couple of questions.

1. What kind of instruction manual comes with this game? I'm really hoping that this game comes with a decent manual/strategy guide of some sort. From looking at the html stuff, I have lots of questions.

If the rest of these can be found in the manual, then don't worry about answering them (unless you are just bored and feel like helping a newbie out)

2. What exactly is the Rule 5 draft?

3. What does arbitration mean?

4. How does the minor league system work?

Ok, I have lots more, but I need to go eat before class.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I like that, it's getting there.

I would HATE to see draft picks included in the game as a standard option. But if it was a toggle option I guess I could live with it. But for a "true" MLB league they don't fit into the game.

[korme]

Seems Markus didn't take any of the OOTP News code many of us tried to add to the game for even a OOTP5 update .. it got it's own forum, c'mon, add some of it!!

[korme]

Originally Posted by dangarion

I would HATE to see draft picks included in the game as a standard option. But if it was a toggle option I guess I could live with it. But for a "true" MLB league they don't fit into the game.

Consider, however, all of the online leagues. Of course it should be toggleable, but if it doesn't make it in, dan, you get to run the next JBL draft and get to have fun changing around all those draft orders manually. Lucky you dan!!

[mauchow]

SkyDog.... I caught this in the OOTP Forums.

Could you take one of your old OOTP5 leagues and convert it into the OOTP6 and let us know how they turn out..?

Thanks

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Stop kissing my ass, you homo.

You both suck... OOTP is gud!

[Treches]

One thing to remember, guys, is that Ben does not have the final build. So there might be some stuff that's still to pop up.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Treches

One thing to remember, guys, is that Ben does not have the final build. So there might be some stuff that's still to pop up.

True, but if the final verison is coming out as early as this weekend, it's (hopefully) safe to assume that just about everything is in there.

[Ben E Lou]

I can't really help with OOTP5 to 6 conversion. I've been playing so much FBCB and FOF2K4 that I knew there was no chance that I'd be playing any more OOTP5 before OOTP6 came out, so I took it off of my hard drive.

[ISiddiqui]

Skydog, NICE preview . My hat is off to you; you are giving us some golden info. I'm drooling at the prospect of getting this game now .

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I can't really help with OOTP5 to 6 conversion. I've been playing so much FBCB and FOF2K4 that I knew there was no chance that I'd be playing any more OOTP5 before OOTP6 came out, so I took it off of my hard drive.

Ben...you could just send me your OOTP6 Beta and I could test the OOTP5 league conversion if you like??

[miked]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I can't really help with OOTP5 to 6 conversion. I've been playing so much FBCB and FOF2K4 that I knew there was no chance that I'd be playing any more OOTP5 before OOTP6 came out, so I took it off of my hard drive.

But all somebody would have to do is send you their league file for a v5 game and you could just import it into v6 right? I don't think you actually need the game. If you want, you can go to our league website (plenty of FOFers on there) and download the league file and convert it. I'm sure cuckoo, mckerney, cartman, rex, lynchy, and many others from here would be glad to see how their crappy players convert.

Oh yeah, shameless self-promotion. www.ootp5league.org/index2.html You can download files from menu.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by miked

Oh yeah, shameless self-promotion. www.ootp5league.org/index2.html You can download files from menu.

(Lightbulb goes off)

Um, Mike's web site has a virus on it. Use the RWBL instead!

[miked]

Nice. But I think yours places some weird tracking cookie that keeps grabbing my credit card info. What's that about?

[CraigSca]

Ben,

Check your inbox - there's a new build there. Oh, and one of the new features is the ability for multiplayer leagues to "broadcast" a game on the internet. Meaning, the users of the league can log in and watch the game being played over the internet in realtime (kind of like watching the game on ESPN.com).

It's the first iteration, so it's not the most beautiful thing (yet), but it's kinda neat, especially when you think of how this could be taken further in releases down the line.

-Craig

[GoSeahawks]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

Ben,

Check your inbox - there's a new build there. Oh, and one of the new features is the ability for multiplayer leagues to "broadcast" a game on the internet. Meaning, the users of the league can log in and watch the game being played over the internet in realtime (kind of like watching the game on ESPN.com).

It's the first iteration, so it's not the most beautiful thing (yet), but it's kinda neat, especially when you think of how this could be taken further in releases down the line.

-Craig

Very cool!

[Ben E Lou]

Craig:

If I am at home or in the office, Outlook is *always* open and I receive sound notification of received e-mails. It is already installed and simming. I've posted the starting financials for the person who was asking how the merchandising plays out over time.

Here is that link: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/f...715#post441715

[Fonzie]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Craig:

If I am at home or in the office, Outlook is *always* open and I receive sound notification of received e-mails. It is already installed and simming.

Have to like a man who's on top of things.

Unless those things include The Afoci.

[kingnebwsu]

Good stuff dude, keep it comin'

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Fonzie

Have to like a man who's on top of things.

Unless those things include The Afoci.

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

[portnoise]

I have another question about financial flexibility-- I'd like to be able to play with a shorter schedule than 162 games. Will the game be able to scale finances and salaries to make that work?

[Tasan]

Could you stickie this to the top? I keep forgetting its around. Its okay SD, someone else asked for it, so you won't have to feel like you are promoting yourself ;- )

[Ben E Lou]

Actually, Tasan, that makes a lot of sense. I always sticky major announcements/patches/screenies/developer chats/info about other text sims for a day or so. Not doing so for this is technically inconsistent.

[ISiddiqui]

That's right! Show all these heathens that baseball deserves to be on top .

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

LOL, no not this release . Possibly future patch, possibly next rev. We've haven't really discussed implementation yet, so it's "on the list" as a future feature but the timeframe hasn't been finalized yet.

BTW - yes, I'd be in a panic if this was going into this release as well But, that's my nature...

Sorry, Craig, I gotta agree with the Foz here. That should absolutely have been in the primary release. Rule V draft and a waiver system? That's cool, and all, but that should have been a secondary concern to making sure that the trade engine especially on the sixth version is context-sensitive.

That's just sloppy planning, IMO.

[Draft Dodger]

no wonder this thread is so damn hard to find - someone stickied the dang thing.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Sorry, Craig, I gotta agree with the Foz here. That should absolutely have been in the primary release. Rule V draft and a waiver system? That's cool, and all, but that should have been a secondary concern to making sure that the trade engine especially on the sixth version is context-sensitive.

That's just sloppy planning, IMO.

That's fine. I only came on to the scene in December, and when Markus and I finally hooked up I mentioned to him the fact that it would be nice if the AI for opposing GM's took the team's current position into account. He mentioned to me that he had trouble with it before, quantifying exactly when a team was rebuilding, when a team was making a push for the pennant and all the variables that effect this (in modern MLB, it's all about money - the Orioles, until a couple years ago absolutely refused to rebuild - and look where it got them). When we started talking about the scope of incorporating the majority of rules in the CBA that were missing in the game, one of the things that "fell out" was this piece. So...rather than risk doing something that wasn't going to accomplish everything we wanted, he decided to take it out.

Now, when I say this could be implemented in a patch next version, etc. - it's obviously not my call. However, I do know that he and I will be meeting in the June timeframe to actually sit down and discuss some of these issues and map out the plan where he hopes to take OOTP. Again, it's his application, it's his call where he ultimately takes it.

I understand your frustration since this is the 6th release, and something as nice as this doesn't exist in the game. We're going to get there -- unfortunately it's not going to be there tomorrow -- but it will be there.

-Craig

[korme]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

I understand your frustration since this is the 6th release, and something as nice as this doesn't exist in the game. We're going to get there -- unfortunately it's not going to be there tomorrow -- but it will be there.

-Craig

CRAIG SAID IT!! THE RELEASE IS TOMORROW!! TOMORROW!!

[GoSeahawks]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

CRAIG SAID IT!! THE RELEASE IS TOMORROW!! TOMORROW!!

Good eye

[MizzouRah]

Nice to get home and read some ootp6 info!

Thanks SD!!

I am a bit disturbed by this: it would be nice if the AI for opposing GM's took the team's current position into account

Besides some more rules incorporated, is the solo CPU AI going to be more of a challenge than v5? ..and I don't mean difficulty levels.


Todd

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Sorry, Craig, I gotta agree with the Foz here. That should absolutely have been in the primary release. Rule V draft and a waiver system? That's cool, and all, but that should have been a secondary concern to making sure that the trade engine especially on the sixth version is context-sensitive.

That's just sloppy planning, IMO.

You can't teach the AI common sense or to think like a human. It seems the best that can be done is to be predictable. For something like this, it's best to be done right or not at all.

Ben, thanks for the subtitle.

[SackAttack]

I dunno, it would seem like a simple IF/AND statement to me.

IF the average team age > X (where X is, I dunno, 32 years old, for the sake of argument), AND team winning % < .500, then the team goes into rebuilding mode. You might set a minimum number of games played (81, perhaps?), too, just to make sure teams don't tank after, say, a 2-4 start. It's basic mathematics, and should be easily quantifiable by the AI.

The only part of it up for debate that I can see would be what that average team age threshold should be.

Just my two cents, though.

[The Afoci]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Hey, I can read. I am a sexy man. Dogs like me.

[McSweeny]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

I dunno, it would seem like a simple IF/AND statement to me.

IF the average team age > X (where X is, I dunno, 32 years old, for the sake of argument), AND team winning % < .500, then the team goes into rebuilding mode. You might set a minimum number of games played (81, perhaps?), too, just to make sure teams don't tank after, say, a 2-4 start. It's basic mathematics, and should be easily quantifiable by the AI.

The only part of it up for debate that I can see would be what that average team age threshold should be.

Just my two cents, though.

that seems incredibly over simplified. an issue like this is far more complex and would take something more than a 'simple if/then statment' to be doen properly. There are an endless number of exceptions to the rule you just posted. I'd much rather have features be done properly and work correctly than be done halfassed just to have them in the game