Survivor: Cagayan (Spoilers ahead!)

[larrymcg421]

Here's a promo that does answer the F3 vs. F2 question. Putting it in spoiler tags in case people don't want to know.

Spoiler

Looks like it's a final 2 based on this...



In which case....

Spencer wins any of his head to head matchups. Tony beats Woo and Kass. If it's Woo vs. Kass, then it'd be a horrible ending to a great season and Woo would be one of the worst winners ever.

[korme]

Also if Tony gets Spencer out I'm pretty certain Spencer would give Tony his vote. Tony has had him on the ropes all season and he's very aware that he's played the best game

[Suicane75]

I REALLY wish they would make the rules clear to the viewer. It sucks not having any idea how many finalists there are & how long Tony has to use the Idol. I also hope they don't allow Tony to lie about how long he can use the special idol, that just seems unfair to his fellow players.

[Umbrella]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

I REALLY wish they would make the rules clear to the viewer. It sucks not having any idea how many finalists there are & how long Tony has to use the Idol. I also hope they don't allow Tony to lie about how long he can use the special idol, that just seems unfair to his fellow players.

Exactly. My wife and I were confused on the rules this season, and I'm still not 100% sure when they can't use the idols any more.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

I REALLY wish they would make the rules clear to the viewer. It sucks not having any idea how many finalists there are & how long Tony has to use the Idol. I also hope they don't allow Tony to lie about how long he can use the special idol, that just seems unfair to his fellow players.

The finalist thing is annoying, but they were pretty clear on the idol: he could only use it until the final five. He's just going to lie about it... which is actually pretty brilliant (and also another reason why this idol was a horrible idea that could have completely ruined the season).

But yeah, they're generally pretty horrible about the rules. Heck, we're almost 30 seasons in and we still have no idea what happens if the final jury ends in a tie vote.

[Maple Leafs]

Here's a question: Who's going to win the $100,000 prize for fan favorite (assuming they have it again)? It has to be Tony or Spencer, right?

[Lathum]

I would think Spencer. Given what he has had to work with he has played the best game I have seen in a long time.

[Umbrella]

I hope we get a Tony vs. Spencer final. It has been a long time since the two "best" players made it to the end.

I put "best" in quotes because I am of the belief that whoever wins is the best player for that season. Every season, the definition of "best" can be different.

[larrymcg421]

I would love to get a Tony vs. Spencer final, but I don't see how that's possible. There's no reason for either of them to take the other to the end.

[Bisbo]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Half the time I want to punch Kass in the face, and the other half of the time I'm trying very hard to suppress a boner I don't want to get. It's like 8th grade English all over again.

I agree, except change the 'punch in the face' percentage to 100, and the 'boner' percentage to 0.

[Racer]

Kass's game play reminds me quite a bit of Sandra's (the one two time winner) game play actually.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Racer

Kass's game play reminds me quite a bit of Sandra's (the one two time winner) game play actually.

Not even close. Sandra was infinitely better at making friends with a majority of the jury.

[Draft Dodger]

Maybe she's counting on her skills as a lawyer to make an effective jury plea, but there isn't one person who would vote for Kass in a 3-way final.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Here's a question: Who's going to win the $100,000 prize for fan favorite (assuming they have it again)? It has to be Tony or Spencer, right?

Without a doubt Woo.

[Dutch]

It should definitely be Woo as the most entertaining and least controversial player that lasted a long time.

[EagleFan]

Woo? Other than the show with the kids he hasn't shown anything than being Tony's lap dog.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Woo could win the $100,000 just off that one segment where he entertained the kids at the school. Most of the voters are female and could fall in love with a player doing something like that.

[larrymcg421]

1) For some reason (probably cost cutting), Survivor isn't doing the fan favorite anymore. Rob Cesternino is doing one from his blog.

2) If they were still doing it, there is no way Woo would get it. It would be either Tony or Spencer.

3) Cochran was just on Rob Cesternino's podcast and they talked about the possibility of Woo winning and made it sound more likely than I had previously considered.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Rob Cesternino is dong one

Alex, I'll take 'Typos With Some Shred Of Truth' for $1000.

[korme]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

2) If they were still doing it, there is no way Woo would get it. It would be either Tony or Spencer.

I'd be curious to see who you watch Survivor with. Both of the girls I watch it with and my mom are all infatuated with Woo. He's the clear number 1 favorite.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by korme

I'd be curious to see who you watch Survivor with. Both of the girls I watch it with and my mom are all infatuated with Woo. He's the clear number 1 favorite.

Same here. Woo's a clear #1 in my watching circles.

[Draft Dodger]

with us it's been Trish.

/not at all serious

[larrymcg421]

I'm not judging it just based on who I watch Survivor with (I realize my circle might not be representative), but the reaction each player has received online and the history of people who have won this award.

The likeable people who go on immunity runs or the strategic masterminds are the ones who've won this award. (Russell won it twice). Woo is a nice guy and I like him, but it takes much more than that to win fan favorite. As Eaglefan said, he's just been Tony's lapdog. Now I think he could win and it might be a great strategy to have been Tony's lapdog, but it's not the kind of strategy that gets the viewers to award fan favorite. For example, people HATED Natalie and the fact she beat Russell.

[Autumn]

Kass really blew it in that last tribal. She was smart to make Tony look like an ass in front of Woo and then everyone else, but then she went and made herself look like a bigger ass in council. If she could keep her mouth shut she could have helped her cause, but now she has a 0% chance of winning. I agree with what's being said: if Spencer makes it to a final three, he wins. Kass doesn't win no matter who she brings to the end. Tony and Woo still have a shot, but would have to get rid of Spencer.

I don't understand why Tony didn't play the idol on Trish. That seemed an obvious move once he saw Woo plotting.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't understand why Tony didn't play the idol on Trish. That seemed an obvious move once he saw Woo plotting.

In Rob C's podcast with Cochran, they mention the idea that Tony might've been thinking jury votes and not only wanted Trish to be there to vote for him, but also to be an advocate for him back at Ponderosa.

[Umbrella]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't understand why Tony didn't play the idol on Trish. That seemed an obvious move once he saw Woo plotting.

This. I figured he could play the normal idol on Trish, and hold the special one in case something went wrong. Unless he wanted Trish on the jury for a vote. But even then, he could have still voted for Kass, and honestly be able to say that he didn't vote Trish out, to insure her vote. He obviously knew she was on the outs. I don't get what his thinking was there.

[Autumn]

It's so interesting how even players who get the game intellectually can get drawn into very emotional reactions. I think that's what make the show still interesting after all these years--once they're there, forced to live with these people for a month, it becomes difficult to not get sucked into it I think.

[Umbrella]

Plus, when you're starving and tired, it's a lot tougher to put your emotions aside and make the smart play. It's easy for us to see things, but we're not the ones out there dealing with it 24/7.

[Draft Dodger]

and we're also seeing 3 days compressed into 40 minutes. you never know all the stuff going on that doesn't make it into the final cut

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow (back on 04/09/2014)

I'm seriously rooting for a final of:

Kass
Tony
Woo

Quoted a while ago...re-posting so that I'll jinx it.

[EagleFan]

Thought he was going to be the first person to pass out during a vote.

[EagleFan]

Interesting final tribal.

[EagleFan]

A little surprising based on how final seemed to go. Maybe Spencer swung the tide.

[Lathum]

I think people were always voting tony. They just want to take their shots.

[korme]

Funny that Kass is a lawyer because I feel that Spencer would make a hell of one.

[bhlloy]

Wow, what a terrible decision

[Suicane75]

It's a decision that's come up more than a few times when it gets down to the final 4 or 3 and as much as you want to rail on Woo, I don't think I even know for sure what I would do in that situation. Is the very definition of your character worth losing out on a million bucks.

[EagleFan]

But it's not a definition of your character. It's a game. To use another example, would the betrayal of an ally in a game like werewolf be considered the definition of character?

[B & B]

Was there a $100K fan favorite this season and did I miss it somehow?

[Kodos]

What happens in Survivor stays in Survivor.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by B & B

Was there a $100K fan favorite this season and did I miss it somehow?

No there was not

[Maple Leafs]

In about five years, Woo's life is going to be either really fantastic or completely awful. I really don't see any middle ground.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

It's a decision that's come up more than a few times when it gets down to the final 4 or 3 and as much as you want to rail on Woo, I don't think I even know for sure what I would do in that situation. Is the very definition of your character worth losing out on a million bucks.

How is it about your character? Everyone agreed to play a game where the goal is to vote out someone else to win a million dollars. What Woo did is like falling down at the 1 yard line because you think the other team deserved to win more. And what's stupid about his whole "deserves to be there" is that it didn't pop up until three people were left. I mean, he was perfectly happy with carrying Kass further than people like Spencer and Tasha. He was happy with blindsiding LJ. His "character" in this game was doing whatever Tony told him to do, including the final tribal council.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by B & B

Was there a $100K fan favorite this season and did I miss it somehow?

Nope, but Rob Cesternino did a fan favorite vote on his podcast and Spencer won.

[Suicane75]

No, I completely get what ya'll are saying and I agree. I'm just saying that for whatever reason, at that moment, Woo feels like it's a choice between the easy way and the hard way. He obviously made the wrong decision but I sincerely believe, that he sincerely believes, that he wouldn't have been happy with himself if he had taken Kass.

And not that I think this factors at all into last nights finale because I don't think Woo was thinking about it all, but we've seen where someone perceived as a complete villain, who deserved to win the game by a landslide, lost.

And I don't think Woo lost the game by taking Tony, I think Woo lost the game by doing at final tribal exactly what he did all game long, nothing. When it came time to state his case he brought nothing except the honor stuff, and he clearly needed more.

On a completely different rant. Is it me or are the final tribals getting worse and worse? Seems to me that in the early seasons there were some real thought out discussions and debate, now it's just a myriad of unintelligent sound bites. I don't know if it's the editing or how it really goes down, but I usually expect a ton more from the final tribal than we get.

[Lathum]

I was a little surprised the let Spencer make that speech at the end endorsing Tony.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I was a little surprised the let Spencer make that speech at the end endorsing Tony.

There was precedent for it. David made a similar speech for Boston Rob. And then in Russell's first season, Erik made that speech for Natalie, although he was arguing the opposite point.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

There was precedent for it. David made a similar speech for Boston Rob. And then in Russell's first season, Erik made that speech for Natalie, although he was arguing the opposite point.

Really? I have watched every season, I don't ever remember something so blatently endorsing another candidate, but I have killed a lot of brain cells over the years.

[Kodos]

I hope Spencer appears in a future show.

I think they should do a season with different final four groups from four seasons. People who really know how to play the game.

[larrymcg421]

Bad quality, but this is David's speech....



Look back on Erik's, it's not quite the same as he is addressing the players and not the jury, but his intent is the same.