2013-14 NBA Offseason/Draft Thread

[nol]

The problem is KG's no-trade clause. If Boston really wanted to maximize its return the move would be to wait until the trade deadline and deal Garnett and Pierce on separate deals to teams looking to make a push for the playoffs/championship. You could probably command an expiring and a pick for each of them. Trading the two of them together greatly limits the number of teams they can deal with since a team has to have enough salary to match the two contracts and be good enough for KG to potentially want to go there.

[Lathum]

I think Oladipo ends up being the best player in this draft

[Izulde]

Not sure where the thread went, but I told you all! I told you AB15 had the best upside in the draft and I mentioned a couple palces (though don't recall if here was one) that he could legitimately go #1 overall!

[cuervo72]

Let's see how Ernie fucks this up.

/really has no idea what the Wiz should do - don't pay that much attention - but expect them to screw it up nonetheless

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Not sure where the thread went, but I told you all! I told you AB15 had the best upside in the draft and I mentioned a couple palces (though don't recall if here was one) that he could legitimately go #1 overall!

You mean what you said about 5 posts back?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Not sure where the thread went, but I told you all! I told you AB15 had the best upside in the draft and I mentioned a couple palces (though don't recall if here was one) that he could legitimately go #1 overall!

Again.

No.

[Izulde]

There was a separate 2013 draft thread. They must have been merged.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Again.

No.

No what?

[bulletsponge]

here comes the annual michael jordan bust pick

[MrBug708]

He doesnt have the best upside. He has upside though

[Young Drachma]

Wacky draft. Dunno what HR did to the AI this year.

[Groundhog]

3 ballsy drafts in a row for the Cavs. I like it. Didn't feel good about Noel or Len to be honest, and Bennett is a risk, but at the same time he's a possible Rookie of the Year candidate too. We were in desperate need of some scoring inside, and he can do that out of the gates.

[Groundhog]

lol @ Kelly Dwyer: "TAKE IT EASY MICHAEL JORDAN HAS A GREAT HISTORY OF DRAFT WHITE DUDES WITH BANGS"

Certainly didn't expect Zeller to be the first pivot off the board. Wow.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

here comes the annual michael jordan bust pick

good call sir

[Groundhog]

I think #5 is actually not a bad spot for Zeller - last I saw yesterday he was sitting at around #10-#15 which is too low I think. Hard to justify him over Noel though.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by oykib

I think that trade is garbage for Boston. You don't trade for a pick that could be useful five years from now. How does Ainge not hold out for Lopez?

Because there's no way NJ does that deal. End of story. Getting 3 1sts for Pierce/Garnett is pretty damn good. You're not getting a young superstar in return. Or even a young star like Lopez. NJ laughs at you and hangs up the phone.

And in fact, if you're in full rebuild mode, that's exactly what you do. You stockpile picks and young assets hoping something with turn up or someone develops into that next superstar. That's how they won their championship - got one guy internally (Pierce), got Jesus with the #5 pick, got KG because the team was suddenly attractive for a host of young potential guys (including Al Jefferson and Gerald Green) and then got lucky with Rondo ($3m in cash to Phoenix for their pick, I believe).

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by nol

The problem is KG's no-trade clause. If Boston really wanted to maximize its return the move would be to wait until the trade deadline and deal Garnett and Pierce on separate deals to teams looking to make a push for the playoffs/championship. You could probably command an expiring and a pick for each of them. Trading the two of them together greatly limits the number of teams they can deal with since a team has to have enough salary to match the two contracts and be good enough for KG to potentially want to go there.

Maybe, but then you're also taking the risk of injuries, decline in performance and a host of other issues. Not to mention the fact that neither Pierce nor Garnett are going to want to play for a team in rebuilding mode. Plus, you've got to get KG to agree to a trade (as you pointed out), something he's more likely to do if Pierce is going with him.

Finally, a rebuilding team should prefer to start the young guys and just tank the season for a better 2014 pick. The Cs would win more games with Pierce and Garnett this year - even if just until the trade deadline - but they're really better off without either of them if they really are truly rebuilding (and they are).

[MrBug708]

Suns fail

[Scarecrow]

Thank god the suns didn't take MacLemore.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This shit with booing Stern pisses me off. The growth the NBA saw under his leadership has been amazing

I get the Bettman boing but the Stern booing is silly. Then again, this is MSG, right? Just saying "New York" explains it.

SI

[JPhillips]

I guess the rumors that teams were put off by Noel's attitude and entourage were true.

[nol]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Maybe, but then you're also taking the risk of injuries, decline in performance and a host of other issues. Not to mention the fact that neither Pierce nor Garnett are going to want to play for a team in rebuilding mode. Plus, you've got to get KG to agree to a trade (as you pointed out), something he's more likely to do if Pierce is going with him.

Yes. That is why I was saying that the Nets deal is probably as good as it's going to get since you have to trade both of them together. Plus they can tank the entire season rather than half of it.

[sterlingice]

Who knows if they can score but that will be pretty good D in New Orleans

SI

[MrBug708]

@AndyGlockner: There will be zero points in the paint on either end in NOpe games next season

[Izulde]

That Noel/AD post combo is going to be sick as a ho defensively

[MrBug708]

Noel to Philly?

[MrBug708]

@WojYahooNBA: Philadelphia sends Jrue Holiday and a first-round pick in 2014 to New Orleans for Noel, league source says.

[oykib]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Because there's no way NJ does that deal. End of story. Getting 3 1sts for Pierce/Garnett is pretty damn good. You're not getting a young superstar in return. Or even a young star like Lopez. NJ laughs at you and hangs up the phone.

And in fact, if you're in full rebuild mode, that's exactly what you do. You stockpile picks and young assets hoping something with turn up or someone develops into that next superstar. That's how they won their championship - got one guy internally (Pierce), got Jesus with the #5 pick, got KG because the team was suddenly attractive for a host of young potential guys (including Al Jefferson and Gerald Green) and then got lucky with Rondo ($3m in cash to Phoenix for their pick, I believe).

You don't get something for nothing. Boston just got taken. Not only did they get basically nothing for all the frontline talent on their team besides Rondo, they actively took back Gerald Wallace's terrible contract. There's no rule that said that they had to trade these guys. NJ either gives you something useful or you don't make a deal. The only useful trade piece NJ has is Lopez. Mid-to-late first rounders are not worth much in the NBA. There's no reason to take back fifteen cents on the dollar.

[MrBug708]

My mock draft is perfect through 8, how about yours?

[mckerney]

Would love to see Trey Burke go now, but since I don't see that happening hoping for McCollum.

[Young Drachma]

NJ = BKN

[Honolulu_Blue]

California Pizza Kitchen instead of Trey Burke? Come on, Joe D!!!

[korme]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

@WojYahooNBA: Philadelphia sends Jrue Holiday and a first-round pick in 2014 to New Orleans for Noel, league source says.

He corrected it. It's Holiday for Noel and the Pelicans' 14 1st rounder. Is Vazquez a FA? Who starts at PG in Philly? I'm confused.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

@WojYahooNBA: Philadelphia sends Jrue Holiday and a first-round pick in 2014 to New Orleans for Noel, league source says.

Massive overpay by Philly IMO.

[Young Drachma]

Giannis from Greece doesn't want to be stashed in Europe, wants to come to the states immediately. Teams shying away, but I think it's good for him. He probably wants that guaranteed money but also just good for him to learn in NBA system and play D-League on a NBA salary with NbA trainers and stuff.

[mckerney]

Woooo!

Please don't trade him now like last time we took a good PG...

[Izulde]

Y'all have Rubio, though. So I'd trade Burke

[mckerney]

I'd rather Rubio be the one to get traded.

[Groundhog]

Shocked the Sixers traded Holiday. Guess they like a PG at 11 too.

[korme]

Hearing Burke will be traded from Minny to Utah

[Izulde]

I've heard Portland as a Burke destination too.

[Lathum]

LOL at Rose saying Utah needs a point guard since Stockton retired. That Williams guy they had was a real hack

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by korme

Hearing Burke will be traded from Minny to Utah

Per ESPN log, to Utah for #14/#21 picks.

[Groundhog]

It's Utah, don't know what for.

[Groundhog]

Sixers to grab Schroeder is my guess.

[mckerney]

Damn.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

California Pizza Kitchen instead of Trey Burke? Come on, Joe D!!!

Third year in a row the Pistons have drafted a SG.

[Galaxy]

They are Pelicans, not the Hornets.

[cartman]

This has been the craziest pro draft in a while.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by cartman

This has been the craziest pro draft in a while.

100%. I love it.