Belichick Leaving "Early" - Page 4

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Well, yeah...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02252007...an_edelman.htm

Now THAT'S character!

Pumpy Tudors · 02-04-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

No, the patriots kicked a field goal with 6 seconds left. The clock was stopped at 0:01.

OK, thanks for that.

Followup question: Did the officials demand for another play to be run?

molson · 02-04-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

So this perception of Belichick is unfair, even when he does things like he did last night to cement it even further...? What am I missing here?

It obviously wasn't thought out. Bill wasn't blessed with a handle on the social graces. Many in the public limelight are concerned a lot with what people think of them. Bellichick doesn't give a shit. I'm sure he was hurting after such a huge defeat, and he wanted to get the hell out of there. Other coaches would stay, some because they're truly "classy", others because they're concerned about that public image.

I haven't seen a transcript of any post-game press conference, but I'm sure Bellichick gave credit to the winners. He has a history with Coughlin and respects him, so those would have been genuine comments. You know they're geninue because he doesn't feel the need to put on a show.

Everybody's different, and people do make mistakes, especially in the heat of the moment. I think people here understand that, they're just baiting people like me, and then they think it's funny. I think that shows a lot about their character.

When you have someone attacking someone else's "standard of living" over this, and attacking people personally, don't you think things are getting a little carried away?

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Riiiiight

you know Belicheat personally so please expouse on his personal character and show us that unlike every other NFL team he never offered bounties.

And you seem to KNOW that no other teams taped signals, even though a bunch of other coaches have said that they did it (Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher, etc)

I don't know that he ever offered bounties, but the Packers most definitely did, and were CAUGHT, yet there was no sanction.

MJ4H · 02-04-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

yeah, I get a kick out of that. Hes a poor sport last year for not shaking hands, and this year hes a poor sport for rushing out to shake hands.

Just curious, do you really think that the issue is:

He is a poor sport for rushing out to shake hands?

[ ] yes
[ ] no

rkmsuf · 02-04-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

And you seem to KNOW that no other teams taped signals, even though a bunch of other coaches have said that they did it (Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher, etc)

I don't know that he ever offered bounties, but the Packers most definitely did, and were CAUGHT, yet there was no sanction.

We need to defer to the expert on bounties.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-04-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Isn't it a little much now? Maybe there's some history between you two I'm not aware of, but so far you've called him poor, and now this, because, god forbid, he disagrees with you.

Whoa there skippy, back the fuck up. I'm not the one who started down that road. Your little paragon of talkshit is the one who tried to introduce that.

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the only people that give a fuck about this issue are all you nerds living in your mother's basements.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...2&postcount=44

All I did (and apparently hit some sort of nerve) was point out that his claim there -- much like any defense of Belichump -- was utter horseshit.

Surely you didn't think that I just randomly conjured that allusion out of thin fucking air did you?

As for the other, given the level of sand in his vagina about this, I don't think it's out the realm of possibility to consider that he might be happy to "take one for the team" where Belicheat is concerned. Hell, I'm starting to wonder whether he & a few of the others in this thread might not be willing to pay scalper prices for the privilege.

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

It obviously wasn't thought out. Bill wasn't blessed with a handle on the social graces. Many in the public limelight are concerned a lot with what people think of them. Bellichick doesn't give a shit. I'm sure he was hurting after such a huge defeat, and he wanted to get the hell out of there. Other coaches would stay, some because they're truly "classy", others because they're concerned about that public image.

I haven't seen a transcript of any post-game press conference, but I'm sure Bellichick gave credit to the winners. He has a history with Coughlin and respects, so those would have been genuine comments. You know they're geninue because he doesn't feel the need to put on a show.

Everybody's different, and people do make mistakes, especially in the heat of the moment. I think people here understand that, they're just baiting people like me, and then they think it's funny. I think that shows a lot about their character.

Personally, I think the Pats apologists are showing their real character.

Belicheat blew off everyone when leaving the field after being told by the refs that there was one more play.

Hell, if the shoe was on the other foot Belicheat probably would have quick snapped and run it into the endzone again.

Draft Dodger · 02-04-2008, 11:12 AM

I would like to make the following requests:

1) all trash talking from any fan of a team other than the Giants needs to stop.
2) that goes double for Dolphin fans.
3) Synovia, please put down the shovel, climb out of the hole, and go home.
4) JimGa and RKsmurf: please get a room.
5) "Belicheat" was really fresh and funny 3 months ago. Can we find a fresher comeback to use? Belicheckoutearly, perhaps?

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

And you seem to KNOW that no other teams taped signals, even though a bunch of other coaches have said that they did it (Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher, etc)

I don't know that he ever offered bounties, but the Packers most definitely did, and were CAUGHT, yet there was no sanction.

So it's all about the Packers now right?

Draft Dodger · 02-04-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Personally, I think the Pats apologists are showing their real character.

Belicheat blew off everyone when leaving the field after being told by the refs that there was one more play.

Hell, if the shoe was on the other foot Belicheat probably would have quick snapped and run it into the endzone again.

you are a moron.

Passacaglia · 02-04-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

It obviously wasn't thought out. Bill wasn't blessed with a handle on the social graces. Many in the public limelight are concerned a lot with what people think of them. Bellichick doesn't give a shit. I'm sure he was hurting after such a huge defeat, and he wanted to get the hell out of there. Other coaches would stay, some because they're truly "classy", others because they're concerned about that public image.

I haven't seen a transcript of any post-game press conference, but I'm sure Bellichick gave credit to the winners. He has a history with Coughlin and respects him, so those would have been genuine comments. You know they're geninue because he doesn't feel the need to put on a show.

Everybody's different, and people do make mistakes, especially in the heat of the moment. I think people here understand that, they're just baiting people like me, and then they think it's funny. I think that shows a lot about their character.

When you have someone attacking someone else's "standard of living" over this, and attacking people personally, don't you think things are getting a little carried away?

Bait you? All I did was tell you what happened, since your implication that Coughlin left the field early also was either wrong, or just trying to stir shit up.

molson · 02-04-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Personally, I think the Pats apologists are showing their real character.

How so? Someone who thinks this isn't a big deal is showing bad character?

You're trolling.

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

We need to defer to the expert on bounties.

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"Clubs and players are prohibited from offering or accepting bonuses to a player for his or his team's performance against a particular team, a particular opposing player or players, or a particular group of an opposing team."

The packers offense offered the defense money if they could hold A. Peterson to less than 100 yards. Its a clear violation of this rule, and the salary cap in general.

No sanctions. I guarantee you if it was the patriots, there would have been sanctions.

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

So it's all about the Packers now right?

No, Its all about the Patriots, and thats exactly my point. Thanks for making it.

Jas_lov · 02-04-2008, 11:15 AM

The Packers defensive players offered bounties for getting certain goals. I see nothing wrong with this. The Lions saw nothing wrong with it. You Patriots fans should be arguing the issue at hand, not pushing blame on others. I'm on your side on this one, but bringing up Dungy, the Packers bounties, and Mike Martz is a terrible way at arguing this.

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

No, Its all about the Patriots, and thats exactly my point. Thanks for making it.

The Patriots played in the Super Bowl and just choked away a perfect season. The thread also specifically refers to their coach?

Should we talk about cricket?

molson · 02-04-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Bait you? All I did was tell you what happened, since your implication that Coughlin left the field early also was either wrong, or just trying to stir shit up.

I don't think I was referring to you, I'd have to look back. And I'm not saying everyone who didn't like Bellichick did was necessarily baiting.

Maple Leafs · 02-04-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

We need to defer to the expert on bounties.

Alright, this was actually pretty funny.

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

The Packers defensive players offered bounties for getting certain goals. I see nothing wrong with this. .

You mean other than that its strictly prohibited by the NFL, in multiple places in the rule book?

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:18 AM

Wahhh my team just chocked away a perfect season. I need to blame all the other 31 NFL teams, the media, and the rest of the country. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Wahhh my team just chocked away a perfect season. I need to blame all the other 31 NFL teams, the media, and the rest of the country. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I don't see anyone blaming the media, etc, for the patriots losing.

Nice strawman.

cartman · 02-04-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

The packers offense offered the defense money if they could hold A. Peterson to less than 100 yards. Its a clear violation of this rule, and the salary cap in general.

No sanctions. I guarantee you if it was the patriots, there would have been sanctions.
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There are zero salary cap ramifications. That's just false. When a QB buys his O-Line watches after the season, that doesn't affect the salary cap number.

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

When a QB buys his O-Line watches after the season, that doesn't affect the salary cap number.

Yes, it does. Its a transfer of wealth. Its a way to get guaranteed money off of a player, which the cap is specifically designed to not allow.

Theres a reason its BANNED by the nfl.

molson · 02-04-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Wahhh my team just chocked away a perfect season. I need to blame all the other 31 NFL teams, the media, and the rest of the country. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

And where did any of that happen?

You're a bigger asshole than Belichick, which as I've read here, is really saying something.

Logan · 02-04-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

This thread is the FOFC equivalent of a baseball brawl. As a spectator, I'm loving it.

Same here. Fantastic entertainment.

Jas_lov · 02-04-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

You mean other than that its strictly prohibited by the NFL, in multiple places in the rule book?

The league performed an investigation and decided that they wouldn't take any action against the Packers. The bounties were discontinued. You can't possibly put this in the class of taping another team illegally multiple times.

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Because its relevant. Its perspective. The media makes Bellichick into a bad guy because he won't give them what they want. Its got absolutely NOTHING to do with his actual character.

You're right Synovia, nobody blaming the media.

The poor poor Patriots...

jbergey22 · 02-04-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

It obviously wasn't thought out. Bill wasn't blessed with a handle on the social graces. Many in the public limelight are concerned a lot with what people think of them. Bellichick doesn't give a shit. I'm sure he was hurting after such a huge defeat, and he wanted to get the hell out of there. Other coaches would stay, some because they're truly "classy", others because they're concerned about that public image.

I haven't seen a transcript of any post-game press conference, but I'm sure Bellichick gave credit to the winners. He has a history with Coughlin and respects him, so those would have been genuine comments. You know they're geninue because he doesn't feel the need to put on a show.

Everybody's different, and people do make mistakes, especially in the heat of the moment. I think people here understand that, they're just baiting people like me, and then they think it's funny. I think that shows a lot about their character.

When you have someone attacking someone else's "standard of living" over this, and attacking people personally, don't you think things are getting a little carried away?

Well said.

Huckleberry · 02-04-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Really????

A crime????

Wow.

Dude, the rest of the post is kind of important to put what you parsed in context. I was mocking him for saying that making them run the last play was a crime.

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

And where did any of that happen?

You're a bigger asshole than Belichick, which as I've read here, is really saying something.

You'd have to ask Mr I Personally Know Belicheat's Character.

cartman · 02-04-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Yes, it does. Its a transfer of wealth. Its a way to get guaranteed money off of a player, which the cap is specifically designed to not allow.

Theres a reason its BANNED by the nfl.

No, no it's not. The salary cap applies to the funds paid to the players by the organization. If the players are using those same funds to buy gifts for their fellow players, it is the individual using their own private funds, not the unallocated funds of the organization.

FrogMan · 02-04-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Yes, it does. Its a transfer of wealth. Its a way to get guaranteed money off of a player, which the cap is specifically designed to not allow.

Theres a reason its BANNED by the nfl.

dude, you're talking all sorts of nonsense, shut up already. And I'm a Pats fan.

I don't understand why Belichick did what he did, only know that he did it. Was it a big deal? To me, personally, it sort of was, cause it's not something I would have done. I was almost talking to the TV, telling him to go back and wait that damn second with class. But it's Belichick we're talking about here. No defending what he did. No reason to beat down to the ground either though. I am thankful to him for bringing me/us as fans the 3 SB wins and the season he just gave us.

This thread makes me sadder than I already was... Backing out now.

FM

Deattribution · 02-04-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

My god you guys are pathetic. Take your loss like a man.

+1

But this has been the same story all season, they just don't have the 'well we're undefeated' stuff to fall back on now. It's fascinating to read/watch though and makes the outcome all the more enjoyable.

JetsIn06 · 02-04-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Yes, it does. Its a transfer of wealth. Its a way to get guaranteed money off of a player, which the cap is specifically designed to not allow.

Theres a reason its BANNED by the nfl.

In no way at all does that affect the cap number. So your telling me that if a Quarterback tells his offensive line "dinner is on me" after a good game, it effects the salary cap?

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

No, no it's not. The salary cap applies to the funds paid to the players by the organization. If the players are using those same funds to buy gifts for their fellow players, it is the individual using their own private funds, not the unallocated funds of the organization.

No, its not. Players aren't allowed to give each other money because it allows the team to pay players off the books. It allows them to transfer money in ways that are specifically prohibited.

Lineman A isn't playing well, so you tell him to give Lineman B $100K or hes getting cut. Lineman B doesnt leave in free agency because hes making more money now, and the team doesn't have to live with the mistake they made on A.

Draft Dodger · 02-04-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FrogMan

dude, you're talking all sorts of nonsense, shut up already. And I'm a Pats fan.

seconded.

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

In no way at all does that affect the cap number. So your telling me that if a Quarterback tells his offensive line "dinner is on me" after a good game, it effects the salary cap?

Taking your line to dinner isn't specifically prohibited in the rulebook. Bounties are.

Chubby · 02-04-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

No, its not. Players aren't allowed to give each other money because it allows the team to pay players off the books. It allows them to transfer money in ways that are specifically prohibited.

Lineman A isn't playing well, so you tell him to give Lineman B $100K or hes getting cut. Lineman B doesnt leave in free agency because hes making more money now, and the team doesn't have to live with the mistake they made on A.

Hahahahahahahaha

Pumpy Tudors · 02-04-2008, 11:37 AM

STOP TALKING ABOUT STUFF

Maple Leafs · 02-04-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Taking your line to dinner isn't specifically prohibited in the rulebook. Bounties are.

So is holding. Is there a point anywhere here?

cartman · 02-04-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

No, its not. Players aren't allowed to give each other money because it allows the team to pay players off the books. It allows them to transfer money in ways that are specifically prohibited.

Lineman A isn't playing well, so you tell him to give Lineman B $100K or hes getting cut. Lineman B doesnt leave in free agency because hes making more money now, and the team doesn't have to live with the mistake they made on A.

If the team told Player A to give Player B $100K, and then the team gave Player A a $100K bonus, that has salary cap implications. But if Player A just gifts $100K to Player B, the only group that would care would be the IRS.

Maple Leafs · 02-04-2008, 11:50 AM

The handful of Pats fans who think "If you've already lost, it's OK to just leave" should probably consider applying that line of thought to this argument.

rkmsuf · 02-04-2008, 11:52 AM

Look man, it's not my fault jon lives in his mother's basement.

Synovia · 02-04-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

If the team told Player A to give Player B $100K, and then the team gave Player A a $100K bonus, that has salary cap implications. But if Player A just gifts $100K to Player B, the only group that would care would be the IRS.

And the NFL. The broncos were fined for exactly this same thing about 10 years ago.

molson · 02-04-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

The handful of Pats fans who think "If you've already lost, it's OK to just leave" should probably consider applying that line of thought to this argument.

Good line, though I don't think it applies here. The argument seems to be over how big a deal this is, though I lost track a little bit when bounties came up.

Pumpy Tudors · 02-04-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Good line, though I don't think it applies here. The argument seems to be over how big a deal this is, though I lost track a little bit when bounties came up.

It became a bigger deal on this board once an entire thread was devoted to it. I guess I should've known that the thread was bait, considering that the word "early" was in quotes in the thread title.

Big Fo · 02-04-2008, 12:00 PM

Awful stuff from Belichick at the end, the team should be contracted IMO.

cartman · 02-04-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

And the NFL. The broncos were fined for exactly this same thing about 10 years ago.

Is this what you are referring to?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep17.html

If so, it was because the team was doing things to circumvent the cap. It had nothing to do with players exchanging money.

Logan · 02-04-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

And the NFL. The broncos were fined for exactly this same thing about 10 years ago.

The NFL also much more frequently fines guys for not wearing their socks high enough.

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02-04-2008, 11:15 AM	#166
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The Packers defensive players offered bounties for getting certain goals. I see nothing wrong with this. The Lions saw nothing wrong with it. You Patriots fans should be arguing the issue at hand, not pushing blame on others. I'm on your side on this one, but bringing up Dungy, the Packers bounties, and Mike Martz is a terrible way at arguing this.

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Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Wahhh my team just chocked away a perfect season. I need to blame all the other 31 NFL teams, the media, and the rest of the country. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Awful stuff from Belichick at the end, the team should be contracted IMO.

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