LXXVIII: Politicus Lupus (GAME OVER!! SEE POST #2593 FOR RESULTS)

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

The assumption being that the wolves prodded that one along.

Careful, Passacaglia started that ball rolling and with his initial vote on Mrs. Schmidty he has more trust in my eyes.

[Passacaglia]

1897 was to illini, 1899 was to mccollins.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by mccollins

PF was lynched by the village as a whole, he was not nightkilled.

My bad, I meant Path

[jeheinz72]

Well, any more direct questions to me about my Seer-ness before I get some work done for a bit?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Chubby got my back. By the way Chubby, I don't think I've heard your opinion on lynching mccollins?

grrr I had my response all typed up and then the board wouldn't post it and i got blank pages grrr...

I think that mccollins and another dem are the most likely dem wolves. I haven't mentioned the other guy yet here or in our thread so I'm holding onto it for now.

I have been all over the place today. I started looking at jeheinz 1st, then he comes out as seer so I swing back to my 2 dem wolf thoughts, and now i'm back on jeheinz.

I think mccollins and jeheinz are both likely wolves but i thnk heinz is more dangerous.

[Tyrith]

Well, just because he was the first vote doesn't mean others falling him weren't trying to pull something.

[Chubby]

also, if we are looking at nightkills. render getting killed went to illini but he was in between him and heinz, that district could have went to either (neither of which i'm confidant in as villagers)

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Not to mention that you replied to my ONE post saying we'd lose it Tyrith and heinz are wolves, but have completely glossed over my post (and Chubby's billion posts) about how we lose if you and heinz are wolves.

To be honest I don't really understand the victory conditions. All I understand is that someone said if heinz is a wolf, and we lynch PB and then I'm night-killed we lose because of my districts. Since we don't know if we can trust heinz or not, it was my thinking that if we lynch PB and protect myself and heinz then we'll know who's what.

If we lynch PB, and he's a villager then we know that heinz and probably Tyrith are wolves. They aren't able to get their nightkill on me to win my districts though since I was protected.

If we lynch PB, and he's a wolf then we know heinz is the seer. He's protected, and protecting me was not really needed except in the case of insurance that heinz is a wolf.

As for me being a wolf, I'm not. I'm a villager, and I thought I threw a pretty big hint out earlier.

[Tyrith]

Now is not the time for hints, illini.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Now is not the time for hints, illini.

wheeeeeeeeeeeee another fake reveal

This is just getting too rich if we really have another person come out...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

To be honest I don't really understand the victory conditions. All I understand is that someone said if heinz is a wolf, and we lynch PB and then I'm night-killed we lose because of my districts. Since we don't know if we can trust heinz or not, it was my thinking that if we lynch PB and protect myself and heinz then we'll know who's what.

If we lynch PB, and he's a villager then we know that heinz and probably Tyrith are wolves. They aren't able to get their nightkill on me to win my districts though since I was protected.

If we lynch PB, and he's a wolf then we know heinz is the seer. He's protected, and protecting me was not really needed except in the case of insurance that heinz is a wolf.

As for me being a wolf, I'm not. I'm a villager, and I thought I threw a pretty big hint out earlier.

So you understand the post where I said if you're night-killed and Tyrith is a wolf, we lose. But you don't understand the VERY next post, where I said in almost the exact same language, that if you're a wolf and Tyrith is night-killed, we lose?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So you understand the post where I said if you're night-killed and Tyrith is a wolf, we lose. But you don't understand the VERY next post, where I said in almost the exact same language, that if you're a wolf and Tyrith is night-killed, we lose?

There's a reason I suggested that the doctor would have to protect heinz and the BG would have to protect me. I'm not a wolf.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

To be honest I don't really understand the victory conditions. All I understand is that someone said if heinz is a wolf, and we lynch PB and then I'm night-killed we lose because of my districts. Since we don't know if we can trust heinz or not, it was my thinking that if we lynch PB and protect myself and heinz then we'll know who's what.

If we lynch PB, and he's a villager then we know that heinz and probably Tyrith are wolves. They aren't able to get their nightkill on me to win my districts though since I was protected.

If we lynch PB, and he's a wolf then we know heinz is the seer. He's protected, and protecting me was not really needed except in the case of insurance that heinz is a wolf.

As for me being a wolf, I'm not. I'm a villager, and I thought I threw a pretty big hint out earlier.

If we lynch PB and he's a villager then I think it's game over tonight.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So you understand the post where I said if you're night-killed and Tyrith is a wolf, we lose. But you don't understand the VERY next post, where I said in almost the exact same language, that if you're a wolf and Tyrith is night-killed, we lose?

To clarify, you're telling me you understood post 1880, but not 1881.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

wheeeeeeeeeeeee another fake reveal

This is just getting too rich if we really have another person come out...

Chubby, you're hilarious. I'm hoping now you're not the 2nd Dem wolf. If so, you've made it FAR too easy on us.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chubby

If we lynch PB and he's a villager then I think it's game over tonight.

Do you mean the end of the night, or the end of the day? I don't see how wolves can win at the end of the day. If heinz, IF, and mickey c are wolves, they only get 8.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

To clarify, you're telling me you understood post 1880, but not 1881.

I understand both. Post 1881 only applies if I'm a wolf, which I'm not.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

If we lynch PB and he's a villager then I think it's game over tonight.

How so?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Do you mean the end of the night, or the end of the day? I don't see how wolves can win at the end of the day. If heinz, IF, and mickey c are wolves, they only get 8.

Not to mention that even that scenario would require a 3-1 start which let's be real, is a well below 50/50 shot in it's own right.

[Tyrith]

There are a LOT of scenarios where it is game over tonight. So let's just lynch a darn wolf and get it over with instead of obsessing in paranoia over what might be. We have to take the steps that give us the chance to win. If we lose, we lose.

[jeheinz72]

If you want to lynch a wolf, vote PB.

If you want to make this harder then it has to be, then explore other scenarios.

Work time, I'll be back later.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

I understand both. Post 1881 only applies if I'm a wolf, which I'm not.

Then why did you say:

To be honest I don't really understand the victory conditions. All I understand is that someone said if heinz is a wolf, and we lynch PB and then I'm night-killed we lose because of my districts.

And by the way, you are racking up so many PassPoints right now!

(FTR, PassPoints are little thing I came up with last game, where I basically give people points if they say "I'm not a wolf" like they're expecting everyone to believe them)

[Tyrith]

For my stress level.

VOTE YES ON BILLS BE GONE OVERRIDE

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Not to mention that even that scenario would require a 3-1 start which let's be real, is a well below 50/50 shot in it's own right.

I think I've already said I'm not going to rely on that.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Do you mean the end of the night, or the end of the day? I don't see how wolves can win at the end of the day. If heinz, IF, and mickey c are wolves, they only get 8.

tonight.

heinz - do i need to bring up all the shit that there's no way i would have done if i was a wolf?

I'll spell it out for you.

I think heinz, illini and mccollins are the remaining wolves. I think they nightkilled render last night knowing one of the two repub wolves would get the district. This gives them 7 districts. Taking out PurdueBrad (who of course isn't around) gives them at least 8. Nightkill the right guy tonight (whomever we don't protect that nets them a district) and game over.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Then why did you say:



And by the way, you are racking up so many PassPoints right now!

(FTR, PassPoints are little thing I came up with last game, where I basically give people points if they say "I'm not a wolf" like they're expecting everyone to believe them)

I don't really understand the whole districts thing and who gets lynched what goes where and that stuff.

I understand that if heinz is a wolf, and we lynch PB and I'm night-killed we lose. I also understand that if i'm a wolf and heinz is a wolf then we lose.

However since I know what I am in game, I think my suggestion about BG protecting me, and the doctor protecting heinz gives us the best chance to find out who's lying. If you think I'm lying, then you're obviously going to have a problem with my solution.

[Chubby]

If I'm wrong on my analysis then I'm wrong but damnit the last post by me is how I think this game is playing out...

Censure jeheinz72

of course he has work to do...

[illinifan999]

well since I like my suggestion and think it's the best way to win.

vote lynch PurdueBrad

[Tyrith]

BTW, Chubby, that last comment seems like a real jerk thing to say towards someone that, wolf or not wolf, has been around for two hours this morning.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chubby

heinz - do i need to bring up all the shit that there's no way i would have done if i was a wolf?

I'd like to hear about that.

[jeheinz72]

Agree to disagree then Pass. I think this game would have set up impossibly for the wolves at 3:1. I mean think about it. CR does that and let's say be sheer blind-ass luck we lynch that 1. Then at that point, the wolves only realistic shot at winning is a near sweep of all of the districts on the side of the 3.

The 3 would then have to had been Mrs. S, me and either illini or Tyrith.

So let's look at the 2 cases then

3rd Repub Wolf is illini

If that's the case, then we as wolves are fucked. We'd have been better off night killing PB to hope to make some in-roads at the low end (closer to 1st dist) to have a chance at making headway that direction to get districts. It'd have been smarter then to night-kill PB and pin RendeR as a fake-Seer kill

3rd Repub Wolf is Tyrith

It'd make more sense to just night kill you (long long ago) as Tyrith could have easily picked up your districts without much cause for alarm.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think it's just that he was talking about the path kill.

Ah, that'd make more sense. I've got no explanation for that unless chesapeake is a wolf and they knew they'd pick up path's seat later when they off me (while putting suspicion on me in the mean time).

However, chesapeake has been really helpful in our party thread.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

BTW, Chubby, that last comment seems like a real jerk thing to say towards someone that, wolf or not wolf, has been around for two hours this morning.

well I'm heated and i apologize. Just frustrating that at the point im fed up and will vote for him he's leaving.

pass - you de realize the shit we took for me vetoing that bill. If i'm a wolf I would have not vetoed or "forgot to act" so it passed. It not only hurt me but the party a good deal. I'm also not going to swing the last and deciding vote onto a wolf (Mrs S) I would have left my vote where it was.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I think heinz, illini and mccollins are the remaining wolves. I think they nightkilled render last night knowing one of the two repub wolves would get the district. This gives them 7 districts. Taking out PurdueBrad (who of course isn't around) gives them at least 8. Nightkill the right guy tonight (whomever we don't protect that nets them a district) and game over.

If that's the case though, why even fuck around with the fake reveal? Why not just bide our time? It'd be a poor play.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

If I'm wrong on my analysis then I'm wrong but damnit the last post by me is how I think this game is playing out...

Censure jeheinz72

of course he has work to do...

1st off, might want to wait and see if my party believes me enough to see if I'm the pres candidate. In which case, you can't censure me.

Secondly, that last comment is classless. I've been here for 3 hours debating this. Excuse me for not having the day off like you do.

Good day sir.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Agree to disagree then Pass. I think this game would have set up impossibly for the wolves at 3:1. I mean think about it. CR does that and let's say be sheer blind-ass luck we lynch that 1. Then at that point, the wolves only realistic shot at winning is a near sweep of all of the districts on the side of the 3.

The 3 would then have to had been Mrs. S, me and either illini or Tyrith.

So let's look at the 2 cases then

3rd Repub Wolf is illini

If that's the case, then we as wolves are fucked. We'd have been better off night killing PB to hope to make some in-roads at the low end (closer to 1st dist) to have a chance at making headway that direction to get districts. It'd have been smarter then to night-kill PB and pin RendeR as a fake-Seer kill

3rd Repub Wolf is Tyrith

It'd make more sense to just night kill you (long long ago) as Tyrith could have easily picked up your districts without much cause for alarm.

How are you fucked if it's you and illini?

You come out as seer, bonus for the person you accuse as wolf not being online, let slip you haven't scanned the prez (why would you), get PB lynched and make a nightkill tonight to win.

far from being fucked in my eyes

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chubby

well I'm heated and i apologize. Just frustrating that at the point im fed up and will vote for him he's leaving.

pass - you de realize the shit we took for me vetoing that bill. If i'm a wolf I would have not vetoed or "forgot to act" so it passed. It not only hurt me but the party a good deal. I'm also not going to swing the last and deciding vote onto a wolf (Mrs S) I would have left my vote where it was.

If you didn't veto, you would have been lynched the next day without question. When CR accidentally screwed up which bill you vetoed, I recall asking if you were trying to act like a supervillain.

I'll look at the Mrs. S vote, though.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

If that's the case though, why even fuck around with the fake reveal? Why not just bide our time? It'd be a poor play.

Yeah, by and large. The only reason is that you expected mccollins to be the lynch today and needed to get it off him before the bandwagon started. Which honestly makes Pass's way of going about things today more attractive in my eyes.

[jeheinz72]

I guess what I'm saying Pass is that if you're going to open up the possibility of a 3-1 start, then you'd have to look at how the wolves would play if given that slant. And the wolves haven't acting in conjunction with that.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

1st off, might want to wait and see if my party believes me enough to see if I'm the pres candidate. In which case, you can't censure me.

Secondly, that last comment is classless. I've been here for 3 hours debating this. Excuse me for not having the day off like you do.

Good day sir.

Anyone can be censured I'm pretty sure just like prez can be censured despite you saying he can't.

I already apologized for that. I'm pissed at what's going on and nobody else from the party is online and I"m home all day.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

How are you fucked if it's you and illini?

You come out as seer, bonus for the person you accuse as wolf not being online, let slip you haven't scanned the prez (why would you), get PB lynched and make a nightkill tonight to win.

far from being fucked in my eyes

Maybe not fucked, but we'd be playing a poor game. If illini and I were the wolves it'd make a *lot* more sense to have then night-killed PB and done this fake reveal with RendeR instead.

[mccollins]

So, to refresh myself, the case against me is (a) general suspicion, and (b) my late vote to try to 'save' Mrs. S when really I had 5 minutes to figure things out and just followed Lathum?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you didn't veto, you would have been lynched the next day without question. When CR accidentally screwed up which bill you vetoed, I recall asking if you were trying to act like a supervillain.

I'll look at the Mrs. S vote, though.

IF I hadn't vetoed I could have claimed I overslept or whatever. I pretty much knew how bad that veto would hurt my district and our party and i did it anyways to hurt the wolves because that came 1st.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Anyone can be censured I'm pretty sure just like prez can be censured despite you saying he can't.

I already apologized for that. I'm pissed at what's going on and nobody else from the party is online and I"m home all day.

From the rules:

Presidential candidates cannot be voted on as wolves during their candidacy. Votes for them during the presidential election day cycle will be ignored.

And I hadn't seen the apology yet.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Chubby

IF I hadn't vetoed I could have claimed I overslept or whatever. I pretty much knew how bad that veto would hurt my district and our party and i did it anyways to hurt the wolves because that came 1st.

The day you start lying about RL things in order to get ahead in WW is the day I stop playing WW with you, QED.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by mccollins

So, to refresh myself, the case against me is (a) general suspicion, and (b) my late vote to try to 'save' Mrs. S when really I had 5 minutes to figure things out and just followed Lathum?

B isn't an issue for me, frankly.

The bigger issue for me is I don't believe path's killing to be essentially random. I think the wolves would know they need districts and if PF wasn't the beneficiary from that, you likely were.

A is a small tick too, but frankly, I"m not even looking to vote you today. You would classify under "Tomorrow's Problem"

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

From the rules:

Presidential candidates cannot be voted on as wolves during their candidacy. Votes for them during the presidential election day cycle will be ignored.

And I hadn't seen the apology yet.

Since you aren't the nominee yet I am still free to vote for you as you are wolf #1 in my eyes.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

B isn't an issue for me, frankly.

The bigger issue for me is I don't believe path's killing to be essentially random. I think the wolves would know they need districts and if PF wasn't the beneficiary from that, you likely were.

A is a small tick too, but frankly, I"m not even looking to vote you today. You would classify under "Tomorrow's Problem"

Yet you don't mention how render's killing helped you and illini...

[jeheinz72]

FTR, for me, today isn't even about Chubby being a wolf either. I could care less about that for today. That would also classify under "Tomorrow's Problem"


For me, today is about my being the Seer and PB being a wolf. Nothing more, nothing less. You either buy it, or you don't. But frankly, I'm done giving two shits.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Since you aren't the nominee yet I am still free to vote for you as you are wolf #1 in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Chubby

Yet you don't mention how render's killing helped you and illini...

A) Yes, I was just heeded warning that you'll have to change your vote if I'm the nominee. You're free to vote for me for now, just sayin is all.

B) You're not understanding me. By doing it the other way around, it would've been a more beneficial wolf play. I'm not saying the night-kill wouldn't benefit us in this conjured up untrue scenario, I'm saying that it was LESS beneficial, so why do it?