The NBA 2010 offseason/draft thread - Page 39

Groundhog · 07-15-2010, 11:17 PM

If you haven't seen it, check the highlights of today's Clips game for Baby Shaq's very impressive rejection. Didn't know the lard-ass could get so high.

stevew · 07-15-2010, 11:19 PM

The Delonte arrest tapes are now online, but not nearly as cool as I had hoped.

whomario · 07-16-2010, 02:24 AM

Rockets resign Scola, 45/5. Bit overpaid perhaps, especially long term. Little suprise they didn´t wait on an offer, maybe heard sth about an outrageous offer to come from another Team (there also was some talk about his former team Tau Vitoria having a big offer lined up)

Good he´s back anyway

Chief Rum · 07-16-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

If you haven't seen it, check the highlights of today's Clips game for Baby Shaq's very impressive rejection. Didn't know the lard-ass could get so high.

Fat Boy can jump!

whomario · 07-16-2010, 03:02 AM

Summer Shaq !

He´s (as expected) not looking too good in summer league, the guy needs a structured role with decent teammates.

Rockets also made an offer to Brad Miller despite now being firmly in the Luxury Tax. I love it.

Chief Rum · 07-16-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by whomario

Summer Shaq !

He´s (as expected) not looking too good in summer league, the guy needs a structured role with decent teammates.

Agreed, this isn't the best forum for him to display his game, although it is obviously enough for him to show off his potential. On that alone, I think the Clips should go ahead and make that offer and bring him in, see what he can do. They have cap space to go around anyway, and not too many good options out there on which to spend it.

TroyF · 07-16-2010, 11:41 AM

Magic match the offer to J.J.

Damn, I wish my owner would pay the tax instead of trying by buy Arsenal.

Anthony · 07-16-2010, 12:21 PM

i was reading one of those ESPN.com tweets in the NBA section, and one of the writers came out of nowhere with a tweet about Baron Davis to NYK. tried searching around for a corresponding link to get some more info but found nothing. those tweets serve no purpose if there isn't a link related to it. i don't care about sources or someone's hunch, i want concrete intel.

Chief Rum · 07-16-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

i was reading one of those ESPN.com tweets in the NBA section, and one of the writers came out of nowhere with a tweet about Baron Davis to NYK. tried searching around for a corresponding link to get some more info but found nothing. those tweets serve no purpose if there isn't a link related to it. i don't care about sources or someone's hunch, i want concrete intel.

Interesting. The Clips haven't flat out said "come and get BD", but it's pretty much out there that they would be willing to move his contract if the price is right. What on Earth would the Clips take in return? And why would the Knicks bring in such a big contract when they just signed Felton? Sure, BD's better than Felton, but he's also older and goes on mystifying, unconscious shot binges and he's much more expensive.

Anthony · 07-16-2010, 12:28 PM

here's the tweet from ESPN.com from some writer named Larry Coon (never heard of him):

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@LarryCoon I like idea of Baron Davis to NY RT @NothinButWet: Let's say NYK decide to trade Curry. Who are some realistic players wed be looking into?

but here's the thing - "i like the idea of...". what do you mean by that? an idea you came up with? if so, i could care less. or do you mean someone in the know floated or leaked the idea out there and you're reporting it. i reread this a 2nd time and it seems someone was asking him a question about Curry's contract, and this Larry Coon guy pulled Baron Davis out of his ass. this is crap reporting since the lines of real concrete info is being blurred with pure speculation.

and this would never happen. NYK fans would tear MSG down if we put up with Curry's horrible contract for so long just to move him for Baron Davis. i probably would become a Nets fan if that ever happened.

Logan · 07-16-2010, 01:08 PM

Twitter exists for those types of things. Very few people have real info. Plus someone saying "I like the idea..." could be saying that because they'd like to see the Knicks go through all of this just to add another long term terrible contract.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-16-2010, 01:16 PM

Coon keeps that website that explains the CBA.

MikeVic · 07-16-2010, 01:32 PM

SLAM ONLINE | » Penny Hardaway Wants to Play for the Miami Heat

And see Durant's twitter feed today? Now that's a competitor. He questioned why everyone wants to go to Miami and LA now, they should want to go up against them and beat them.

DaddyTorgo · 07-16-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

SLAM ONLINE | » Penny Hardaway Wants to Play for the Miami Heat

And see Durant's twitter feed today? Now that's a competitor. He questioned why everyone wants to go to Miami and LA now, they should want to go up against them and beat them.

woohoo Durant!!

Neon_Chaos · 07-16-2010, 01:59 PM

Durantula!

Coffee Warlord · 07-16-2010, 02:01 PM

Durant just gained some respect points in my book.

Scoobz0202 · 07-16-2010, 02:06 PM

Durant's quickly becoming my favorite player not on my team.

Coffee Warlord · 07-16-2010, 02:06 PM

Bulls sign Ronnie Brewer for 3 years / 12.5 mill.

TroyF · 07-16-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Durant's quickly becoming my favorite player not on my team.

The second the Nuggets are eliminated each year, OKC becomes the team I will cheer for.

I love that guy.

MikeVic · 07-16-2010, 02:26 PM

Yeah, as much as I hate what happened to Seattle, one of my close friends is a big Sonics fan and so I can't really cheer for anything involving them. So one positive about the Seattle thing is that I can say Durant is my favourite player (especially now that Bosh is gone from Toronto).

Anthony · 07-16-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Durant's quickly becoming my favorite player not on my team.

he's already my favorite player. he lost points though when he signed an extension to play in purgatory, i mean OKC, for the next 5 years.

MikeVic · 07-16-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

he's already my favorite player. he lost points though when he signed an extension to play in purgatory, i mean OKC, for the next 5 years.

They seem to have a smart GM though. You just want him in New York.

DaddyTorgo · 07-16-2010, 05:01 PM

great news!!

Source: Boston Celtics bring back Nate Robinson for 2 years - ESPN Boston

Neuqua · 07-16-2010, 05:07 PM

Agreed on all the Durant talk. I liked the dude before Twitter, but reading him always tweeting about his love of just playing ball combined with his tweet earlier today, he's easily become my favorite player outside DRose.

RainMaker · 07-16-2010, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

SLAM ONLINE | » Penny Hardaway Wants to Play for the Miami Heat

And see Durant's twitter feed today? Now that's a competitor. He questioned why everyone wants to go to Miami and LA now, they should want to go up against them and beat them.

Durant is the man. Love his Twitter feed. Got to see him live last year and he's amazing. The Thunder are officially my Western Conference team and one of the reasons I'll be buying the NBA package.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-16-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Bulls sign Ronnie Brewer for 3 years / 12.5 mill.

Who?

No, I'm not kidding, the name rang zero bells to me. Closest I could come to that was Randy Breuer.

edit to add: Without Googling him, played at Florida maybe?

RainMaker · 07-16-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Who?

No, I'm not kidding, the name rang zero bells to me. Closest I could come to that was Randy Breuer.

edit to add: Without Googling him, played at Florida maybe?

You're thinking of Corey Brewer.

6'7 shooting guard who is a very good defender and solid finisher at the rim. Not much of a shooter though. Decent pickup for the Bulls that could make the Hinrich loss a wash.

Warhammer · 07-16-2010, 07:51 PM

Arkansas I believe.

Coffee Warlord · 07-16-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Who?

No, I'm not kidding, the name rang zero bells to me. Closest I could come to that was Randy Breuer.

edit to add: Without Googling him, played at Florida maybe?

S'okay, I really had no idea who he was either. Only reason I had any clue is I looked him up earlier when I was researching the list of SG's the Bulls might be interested in.

BUT...while I'm still pissed they've traded Hinrich for basically no purpose now, Brewer may not be bad - a big guard who can theoretically play defense.

Neuqua · 07-17-2010, 01:36 PM

Brad Miller to the Houston Rockets for 3/$15mil.

What a country.

Danny · 07-17-2010, 02:09 PM

I was thinking about how great point guards don't win championships. What was the last team to win a championship with a PG as their best player?

Ironhead · 07-17-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I was thinking about how great point guards don't win championships. What was the last team to win a championship with a PG as their best player?

The Pistons with Isiah Thomas (89-90)?

Chief Rum · 07-17-2010, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I was thinking about how great point guards don't win championships. What was the last team to win a championship with a PG as their best player?

Define "point guard." Is it just the starter with the position title "point guard"? Or is it the guy who brings up the ball. Does the point guard have to be a facilitator? Or do scoring guards who bring the ball up count as well?

Danny · 07-17-2010, 02:19 PM

I am referring to a true PG, Nash, Kidd, Stockton, etc...

BishopMVP · 07-17-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironhead

The Pistons with Isiah Thomas (89-90)?

You could argue the Pistons with Chauncey Billups. And D-Wade was basically the PG when Miami won.

Chief Rum · 07-17-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I am referring to a true PG, Nash, Kidd, Stockton, etc...

But that's just a label. If a player does what a point guard does but is not listed as a point guard, does he then not qualify? That seems silly to me.

Chief Rum · 07-17-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

You could argue the Pistons with Chauncey Billups. And D-Wade was basically the PG when Miami won.

Wade is case in point A for what I am trying to get at that, although you could broadly argue others.

And, yeah, even under the strict definition of PGs, Billups is a good call.

Danny · 07-17-2010, 02:34 PM

Yes those are good examples, but kind of disproves my train of thought to some degree. I will just choose to keep it a strict label so as to avoid contradicting what I was thinking and keeping my self confidence in tact.

miami_fan · 07-17-2010, 03:34 PM

I would ask for your definition as well. Tony Parker is as true of a PG as there has been in the league.

Danny · 07-17-2010, 03:41 PM

But Tony Parker was not the best player on those title teams, Duncan was. But yes he is a true point guard. Billups works though it's arguable who the best player on that Pistons team was. I think I would go with Billups too, but it is debatable.

Wade did handle PG duties basically, but he is not really what I had in mind. I meant more the traditional, pass first, run the offense type point guard.

chadritt · 07-17-2010, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

But Tony Parker was not the best player on those title teams, Duncan was. But yes he is a true point guard. Billups works though it's arguable who the best player on that Pistons team was. I think I would go with Billups too, but it is debatable.

Wade did handle PG duties basically, but he is not really what I had in mind. I meant more the traditional, pass first, run the offense type point guard.

So you want to know if a team won when their best player was one who didnt score points?

whomario · 07-17-2010, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neuqua

Brad Miller to the Houston Rockets for 3/$15mil.

What a country.

3rd year is basically a team option with just 1 mio guaranteed from what i read. He lost most of his athleticism roughly 20 years ago and the rest about 5 ago and still was effective, so i´d say 2 more years will be fine

i would have preferred a more athletic backup, but at the end he was the best option available and the best Center backup Yao had aside from Mutombo.
He also should be usefull on offense with Yao on the bench with his passing ability and being used to play from the high post, could be a good for a 2nd unit that is more athletic than the starters and has less outside shooting.

But as said before : Not my money, good for the owner he has the ability to pay that (and the Lux tax, but maybe they get to move a guy like Jeffries) and as a fan i´m just not worrying about the Cap situation for now as the Rockets are clearly seeing this as their window to contend. Not yet sure they can, but definitely did everything they could in the last 2 years and that´s all i can ask for.

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Budinger
Ariza/Battier
Scola/Patterson (actually i wouldn´t be shocked to see Hill or Hayes here at the start of the year)
Yao/Miller

that´s quite a fine 10 man rotation with guys like Hill, Hayes, Andersen and Jeffries behind.
Hopefully they can swing a trade or 2 to add more depth at the 1-3 in exchange for those 4 guys. That are propably the best 5th-8th best big men on any NBA roster ...

Danny · 07-17-2010, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadritt

So you want to know if a team won when their best player was one who didnt score points?

It was more just query into thinking that dominant PG's don't seem to lead teams to championships like dominate big men or scorers like Jordan/Bryant. I realize there are players who aren't PG, but play a role similar to that.

bronconick · 07-17-2010, 10:55 PM

Well, Boston was about a quarter away,and at this point, Rondo's their best player.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-17-2010, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neuqua

Brad Miller to the Houston Rockets for 3/$15mil.
What a country.

And Atlanta left at the altar, with Miller pretty much their last hope to add a starting center not named Shaq (and the local beat writer says the Marvin Williams to the Cavs for Shaq deal appears dead now).

RainMaker · 07-17-2010, 11:28 PM

I doubt Miller could start. Can give you 20-25 minutes a night though. He was one of my favorite players last year and Houston will love him.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-17-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I doubt Miller could start. Can give you 20-25 minutes a night though. He was one of my favorite players last year and Houston will love him.

Based on what I'm reading this week seems that the plan was for Miller to start (whether he played starter minutes or not) in order to move Horford to his natural PF position. Regardless, he would have been an upgrade since there really isn't a true NBA center on the roster at all.

stevew · 07-18-2010, 03:48 AM

I pity anyone who has to watch the bloated carcass of Shaq next year.

07-15-2010, 11:17 PM	#1901
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	If you haven't seen it, check the highlights of today's Clips game for Baby Shaq's very impressive rejection. Didn't know the lard-ass could get so high. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

07-16-2010, 02:24 AM	#1904
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Rockets resign Scola, 45/5. Bit overpaid perhaps, especially long term. Little suprise they didn´t wait on an offer, maybe heard sth about an outrageous offer to come from another Team (there also was some talk about his former team Tau Vitoria having a big offer lined up) Good he´s back anyway __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 07-16-2010 at 02:39 AM.

07-16-2010, 03:02 AM	#1906
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Summer Shaq ! He´s (as expected) not looking too good in summer league, the guy needs a structured role with decent teammates. Rockets also made an offer to Brad Miller despite now being firmly in the Luxury Tax. I love it. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

07-16-2010, 01:16 PM	#1913
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Coon keeps that website that explains the CBA. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

07-16-2010, 01:59 PM	#1916
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Durantula! __________________ Come and see.

07-15-2010, 11:19 PM	#1902
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The Delonte arrest tapes are now online, but not nearly as cool as I had hoped.

07-16-2010, 11:41 AM	#1908
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Magic match the offer to J.J. Damn, I wish my owner would pay the tax instead of trying by buy Arsenal.

07-16-2010, 12:21 PM	#1909
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i was reading one of those ESPN.com tweets in the NBA section, and one of the writers came out of nowhere with a tweet about Baron Davis to NYK. tried searching around for a corresponding link to get some more info but found nothing. those tweets serve no purpose if there isn't a link related to it. i don't care about sources or someone's hunch, i want concrete intel.

07-16-2010, 01:08 PM	#1912
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Twitter exists for those types of things. Very few people have real info. Plus someone saying "I like the idea..." could be saying that because they'd like to see the Knicks go through all of this just to add another long term terrible contract.

07-16-2010, 01:32 PM	#1914
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	SLAM ONLINE \| » Penny Hardaway Wants to Play for the Miami Heat And see Durant's twitter feed today? Now that's a competitor. He questioned why everyone wants to go to Miami and LA now, they should want to go up against them and beat them.

07-16-2010, 02:01 PM	#1917
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Durant just gained some respect points in my book.

07-16-2010, 02:06 PM	#1918
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Durant's quickly becoming my favorite player not on my team.

07-16-2010, 02:06 PM	#1919
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Bulls sign Ronnie Brewer for 3 years / 12.5 mill. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 07-16-2010 at 02:06 PM.

07-16-2010, 02:26 PM	#1921
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Yeah, as much as I hate what happened to Seattle, one of my close friends is a big Sonics fan and so I can't really cheer for anything involving them. So one positive about the Seattle thing is that I can say Durant is my favourite player (especially now that Bosh is gone from Toronto).

07-16-2010, 05:01 PM	#1924
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	great news!! Source: Boston Celtics bring back Nate Robinson for 2 years - ESPN Boston __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-16-2010, 05:07 PM	#1925
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Agreed on all the Durant talk. I liked the dude before Twitter, but reading him always tweeting about his love of just playing ball combined with his tweet earlier today, he's easily become my favorite player outside DRose. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

07-16-2010, 07:51 PM	#1929
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Arkansas I believe.

07-17-2010, 01:36 PM	#1932
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Brad Miller to the Houston Rockets for 3/$15mil. What a country. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

07-17-2010, 02:09 PM	#1933
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I was thinking about how great point guards don't win championships. What was the last team to win a championship with a PG as their best player?

07-17-2010, 02:19 PM	#1936
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I am referring to a true PG, Nash, Kidd, Stockton, etc...

07-17-2010, 02:34 PM	#1940
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Yes those are good examples, but kind of disproves my train of thought to some degree. I will just choose to keep it a strict label so as to avoid contradicting what I was thinking and keeping my self confidence in tact.

07-17-2010, 03:34 PM	#1941
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I would ask for your definition as well. Tony Parker is as true of a PG as there has been in the league. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

07-17-2010, 03:41 PM	#1942
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	But Tony Parker was not the best player on those title teams, Duncan was. But yes he is a true point guard. Billups works though it's arguable who the best player on that Pistons team was. I think I would go with Billups too, but it is debatable. Wade did handle PG duties basically, but he is not really what I had in mind. I meant more the traditional, pass first, run the offense type point guard.

07-17-2010, 10:55 PM	#1946
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Well, Boston was about a quarter away,and at this point, Rondo's their best player.

07-17-2010, 11:28 PM	#1948
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I doubt Miller could start. Can give you 20-25 minutes a night though. He was one of my favorite players last year and Houston will love him.

07-18-2010, 03:48 AM	#1950
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I pity anyone who has to watch the bloated carcass of Shaq next year.

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