Werewolf XXXIII: Animal Farm (SEE POST #4 FOR ALL UPDATES) - Page 39

Swaggs · 09-17-2006, 07:20 PM

Do we know the order of night operations?

If Grey orders to send his PM AND gets killed tonight, will his PM get sent?

Thomkal · 09-17-2006, 07:22 PM

Hey Chubby,

Why do you think Blade was chosen for the night kill over you? If you were right about Real Deal, why would the revs keep you alive?

Greyroofoo · 09-17-2006, 07:22 PM

well hoops said he was protecting me, so hopefully that won't happen

and the night order has been posted I just don't know where

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

I find that logic slightly flawed.

To me the tiebreaker could've come from ANYONE who didn't vote for me.

Maybe I got it wrong. I thought it came from someone who voted for Bek. Is this not the case?

Greyroofoo · 09-17-2006, 07:24 PM

dola

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

There have been a couple of questions PM'd to me regarding the order in which night actions are performed. Basically it comes down like this:

Views are resolved
Bodyguard is assigned
Revolutionary kill
Pilkington kill

Hope that helps clarify. Out for a bit, let me know if there are questions about this.

Alan T · 09-17-2006, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fouts

Maybe I got it wrong. I thought it came from someone who voted for Bek. Is this not the case?

Im pretty sure unless I have the wrong day in mind that BrianD came out and said he had the tiebreaker on the Bek vs Grey vote.

Swaggs · 09-17-2006, 07:28 PM

That doesn't really clarify when the PMs are sent, though.

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Im pretty sure unless I have the wrong day in mind that BrianD came out and said he had the tiebreaker on the Bek vs Grey vote.

Ok. I think I am confused about the tiebreaker. Can anyone have the tiebreaker, and if they are not involved in the vote, they have to choose between the two?

Somebody tell me why a player will push for the tie, when they know the duke has already used his switch.

GoldenEagle · 09-17-2006, 07:34 PM

Vote Chubby

A self-preservation vote.

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:34 PM

Fouts, I can't explain that. Chubby was very insistent on a tie that day, saying that the information revealed would help the village.

The information revealed could be helpful if we knew the roles of the dead, but without Clover providing this I'm not sure how to derive value from ties (after Swaggs used his Duke, that is).

Path, can you clarify when the PMs are sent, as this does appear to be unclear at the moment.

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:35 PM

One reason is, they know who has the tiebreaker and that person has already cast their vote for somebody who is not with the bad guys.

From the bek vote, I see a connection between brian, chubby and grey.

path12 · 09-17-2006, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, can the tie-breaker randomly go back to someone who has already had it or will it always move to a new person?

It will always go to a new person.

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:37 PM

Fouts, the challenge there is that you have to assume that there are three Revolutionaries at one time for them to be able to communicate like that.

At most, I think we started with three Revolutionaries plus the Sympathizer.

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:39 PM

Updated Votes as of Post #1913:

Chubby 5 -- Grey (1841), Thomkal (1844), Alan (1854), Fouts (1897), GE (1909)
GE 3 -- Pass (1838), Swaggs (1862), Hoops (1870)
Grey 1 -- Chubby (1834)

Not voted - DC

So Chubby can get a tie by moving his vote and having DC vote for GE. Or, obviously, vote switches.

Chubby won't have the tie-breaker, as he used it on Day 5. BrianD took credit for the Day 3 tie. And we still don't know who cast the tie on Day 1.

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:41 PM

GE, what are your thoughts on the game at this point? Do you trust Greyroofoo? If you didn't have to cast a self-preservation vote, then where would you go with your vote?

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Fouts, the challenge there is that you have to assume that there are three Revolutionaries at one time for them to be able to communicate like that.

At most, I think we started with three Revolutionaries plus the Sympathizer.

Yeah, it is a little weak. The realdeal lynch throws it all out of whack, if we assume that realdeal was bad.

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:43 PM

I'm thinking about tying it up. I want to hear from GE and Chubby.

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:46 PM

If I was picking between the two right now, I would go with GE at the moment. I'm more inclined to suspect a quiet player (GE) than a guy playing over-the-top aggressive (Chubby).

path12 · 09-17-2006, 07:46 PM

Current vote count:

Chubby 4 -- Thomkal (1844), Alan T (1854), Fouts (1897), GoldenEagle (1909)
GoldenEagle 4 -- Passacaglia (1838), Swaggs (1862), hoopsguy (1870), Greyroofoo (1892)
Greyroofoo 1 -- Chubby (1834)

Alan T · 09-17-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fouts

Yeah, it is a little weak. The realdeal lynch throws it all out of whack, if we assume that realdeal was bad.

Thats the big catch, we have no way to validate that.. unless Grey is telling us the truth. Its a huge catch-22

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:47 PM

Oh, it is tied. Hmm. Either of those on the block have anything to say?

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:48 PM

Path, thanks for posting that - missed Grey's vote change at Post #1892.

path12 · 09-17-2006, 07:49 PM

Regarding the question about Moses/Clover PM ability:

They submit in their night action who they would like to have PM rights with for the next day. he next They then would be able to communicate with that one person for one full day. If they did not live through the night obviously they will not be able to communicate. It's not a one PM only sort of thing.

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:49 PM

Alan T, Grey has no impact on evaluating Real Deal - RD was Day 5 lynch, not Day 5 night kill (that was Blade).

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Thats the big catch, we have no way to validate that.. unless Grey is telling us the truth. Its a huge catch-22

I'm having a very hard time believing Grey, but I will give him another day. If he doesn't PM with swaggs or somebody else (not hoops), then I say we lynch him

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:50 PM

Path, but what is the order of events? Does the PM choice go before or after views? Before or after bodyguard, etc.

Lorena · 09-17-2006, 07:51 PM

Well, I don't think I'm catching up in 10 minutes... anyone have anything really quick? Specifically for Chubby and GE

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:51 PM

Fouts, I'm OK with him not choosing me for PMs. Especially if it is Swaggs.

Lorena · 09-17-2006, 07:53 PM

Or post numbers would be cool

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Fouts, I'm OK with him not choosing me for PMs. Especially if it is Swaggs.

I just didn't get a good vibe from the conversations you two had yesterday. I only trust a couple people right now.

Alan T · 09-17-2006, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan T, Grey has no impact on evaluating Real Deal - RD was Day 5 lynch, not Day 5 night kill (that was Blade).

He would be able to tell us tommorrow though if he was telling the truth.

Alan T · 09-17-2006, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fouts

I'm having a very hard time believing Grey, but I will give him another day. If he doesn't PM with swaggs or somebody else (not hoops), then I say we lynch him

What if Swaggs dies tonight and he chooses someone else (not hoops) to PM with because he "wasnt sure about hoops" couldn't that get staged?

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:55 PM

DC, I'm not sure there is new info on either GE or Chubby today. Just the same suspicions people have held on them the whole way.

Both claimed to be villagers - no special roles.

Greyroofoo · 09-17-2006, 07:55 PM

i will request swaggs for pm ability with hoopsguy as a secondary

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

i will request swaggs for pm ability with hoopsguy as a secondary

Why Hoops???

Lorena · 09-17-2006, 07:57 PM

Was realdeal perceived to be good or evil?

Lorena · 09-17-2006, 07:57 PM

dola, I knew chubby said he was evil... but anyone else?

path12 · 09-17-2006, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, but what is the order of events? Does the PM choice go before or after views? Before or after bodyguard, etc.

Maybe I'm not understanding your question, but it really doesn't matter when the order of events is from what I see. If Moses/Clover lives through the night they would be able to PM their target, if they die during the night they can't send anything since it's a next day power. If their target dies during the night I will ask them to select another player to have rights with for the next day.

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

What if Swaggs dies tonight and he chooses someone else (not hoops) to PM with because he "wasnt sure about hoops" couldn't that get staged?

If hoops is who he says he is, swaggs won't die tonight. And yes, it could be staged.

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 07:58 PM

Fouts, I get that Grey's near-complete trust for me today would be suspicious for someone that is not a seer when I have not validated my role. I would like to be the secondary choice for tomorrow because I know it would be authentic, but there is no way for you to be 100% sure.

Greyroofoo · 09-17-2006, 07:58 PM

hoops is probably the guy i trust the most after swaggs

Lorena · 09-17-2006, 07:59 PM

Oh god, I hope I did the right thing

vote chubby

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

dola, I knew chubby said he was evil... but anyone else?

From the writeup, it looked like RD was a bad guy. GE hasn't said anything despite sitting in the thread for the last 20+ minutes.

Greyroofoo · 09-17-2006, 07:59 PM

besides, if not hoops then who?

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

besides, if not hoops then who?

I'll let swaggs answer that question.

path12 · 09-17-2006, 08:06 PM

Final vote count:

Chubby 5 -- Thomkal (1844), Alan T (1854), Fouts (1897), GoldenEagle (1909), Dodgerchick (1942)
GoldenEagle 4 -- Passacaglia (1838), Swaggs (1862), hoopsguy (1870), Greyroofoo (1892)
Greyroofoo 1 -- Chubby (1834)

A long and hectic day as hooves first pointed at Greyroofoo, until he revealed himself to have knowledge that could be of some use. Hoops and Fouts grill him, and he eventually convinces everyone to leave him alone at least for now. Suspicion then piled once again onto GoldenEagle, but finally the tide turned late and Chubby was called to the front, and was quickly killed.

You have a feeling that tonight will be pivotal. Time will tell.

CHUBBY HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE TOMORROW AT 9AM EASTERN.

Fouts · 09-17-2006, 08:09 PM

I don't like those results, plus nobody tried to save Chubby (including himself).

hoopsguy · 09-17-2006, 08:10 PM

Again no rules changes - hard to believe we have had three straight good lynches. I'm pretty sure that Squealer was responsible for the updates, which lends some credence to Grey's story ... given that he said Gram was Squealer.

Grey, are you up in the mornings before lynch is posted?

Greyroofoo · 09-17-2006, 08:12 PM

I start work at 7am Central, and visiting forums at work is frowned upon.

Greyroofoo · 09-17-2006, 08:12 PM

Anyone think that DodgerChick and GoldenEagle are in league?

09-17-2006, 07:20 PM	#1901
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Do we know the order of night operations? If Grey orders to send his PM AND gets killed tonight, will his PM get sent? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

09-17-2006, 07:28 PM	#1907
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	That doesn't really clarify when the PMs are sent, though. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

09-17-2006, 07:34 PM	#1909
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Vote Chubby A self-preservation vote. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

09-17-2006, 07:46 PM	#1919
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Current vote count: Chubby 4 -- Thomkal (1844), Alan T (1854), Fouts (1897), GoldenEagle (1909) GoldenEagle 4 -- Passacaglia (1838), Swaggs (1862), hoopsguy (1870), Greyroofoo (1892) Greyroofoo 1 -- Chubby (1834) __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

09-17-2006, 07:49 PM	#1923
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Regarding the question about Moses/Clover PM ability: They submit in their night action who they would like to have PM rights with for the next day. he next They then would be able to communicate with that one person for one full day. If they did not live through the night obviously they will not be able to communicate. It's not a one PM only sort of thing. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

09-17-2006, 07:22 PM	#1902
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Hey Chubby, Why do you think Blade was chosen for the night kill over you? If you were right about Real Deal, why would the revs keep you alive?

09-17-2006, 07:22 PM	#1903
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	well hoops said he was protecting me, so hopefully that won't happen and the night order has been posted I just don't know where

09-17-2006, 07:34 PM	#1910
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, I can't explain that. Chubby was very insistent on a tie that day, saying that the information revealed would help the village. The information revealed could be helpful if we knew the roles of the dead, but without Clover providing this I'm not sure how to derive value from ties (after Swaggs used his Duke, that is). Path, can you clarify when the PMs are sent, as this does appear to be unclear at the moment.

09-17-2006, 07:35 PM	#1911
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	One reason is, they know who has the tiebreaker and that person has already cast their vote for somebody who is not with the bad guys. From the bek vote, I see a connection between brian, chubby and grey.

09-17-2006, 07:37 PM	#1913
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, the challenge there is that you have to assume that there are three Revolutionaries at one time for them to be able to communicate like that. At most, I think we started with three Revolutionaries plus the Sympathizer.

09-17-2006, 07:39 PM	#1914
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Updated Votes as of Post #1913: Chubby 5 -- Grey (1841), Thomkal (1844), Alan (1854), Fouts (1897), GE (1909) GE 3 -- Pass (1838), Swaggs (1862), Hoops (1870) Grey 1 -- Chubby (1834) Not voted - DC So Chubby can get a tie by moving his vote and having DC vote for GE. Or, obviously, vote switches. Chubby won't have the tie-breaker, as he used it on Day 5. BrianD took credit for the Day 3 tie. And we still don't know who cast the tie on Day 1.

09-17-2006, 07:41 PM	#1915
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	GE, what are your thoughts on the game at this point? Do you trust Greyroofoo? If you didn't have to cast a self-preservation vote, then where would you go with your vote?

09-17-2006, 07:43 PM	#1917
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I'm thinking about tying it up. I want to hear from GE and Chubby.

09-17-2006, 07:46 PM	#1918
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If I was picking between the two right now, I would go with GE at the moment. I'm more inclined to suspect a quiet player (GE) than a guy playing over-the-top aggressive (Chubby).

09-17-2006, 07:47 PM	#1921
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Oh, it is tied. Hmm. Either of those on the block have anything to say?

09-17-2006, 07:48 PM	#1922
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, thanks for posting that - missed Grey's vote change at Post #1892.

09-17-2006, 07:49 PM	#1924
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Alan T, Grey has no impact on evaluating Real Deal - RD was Day 5 lynch, not Day 5 night kill (that was Blade).

09-17-2006, 07:50 PM	#1926
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, but what is the order of events? Does the PM choice go before or after views? Before or after bodyguard, etc.

09-17-2006, 07:51 PM	#1927
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Well, I don't think I'm catching up in 10 minutes... anyone have anything really quick? Specifically for Chubby and GE

09-17-2006, 07:51 PM	#1928
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, I'm OK with him not choosing me for PMs. Especially if it is Swaggs.

09-17-2006, 07:53 PM	#1929
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Or post numbers would be cool

09-17-2006, 07:55 PM	#1933
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	DC, I'm not sure there is new info on either GE or Chubby today. Just the same suspicions people have held on them the whole way. Both claimed to be villagers - no special roles.

09-17-2006, 07:55 PM	#1934
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	i will request swaggs for pm ability with hoopsguy as a secondary

09-17-2006, 07:57 PM	#1936
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Was realdeal perceived to be good or evil?

09-17-2006, 07:57 PM	#1937
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	dola, I knew chubby said he was evil... but anyone else?

09-17-2006, 07:58 PM	#1940
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, I get that Grey's near-complete trust for me today would be suspicious for someone that is not a seer when I have not validated my role. I would like to be the secondary choice for tomorrow because I know it would be authentic, but there is no way for you to be 100% sure.

09-17-2006, 07:58 PM	#1941
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	hoops is probably the guy i trust the most after swaggs

09-17-2006, 07:59 PM	#1942
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Oh god, I hope I did the right thing vote chubby

09-17-2006, 07:59 PM	#1944
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	besides, if not hoops then who?

09-17-2006, 08:06 PM	#1946
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Final vote count: Chubby 5 -- Thomkal (1844), Alan T (1854), Fouts (1897), GoldenEagle (1909), Dodgerchick (1942) GoldenEagle 4 -- Passacaglia (1838), Swaggs (1862), hoopsguy (1870), Greyroofoo (1892) Greyroofoo 1 -- Chubby (1834) A long and hectic day as hooves first pointed at Greyroofoo, until he revealed himself to have knowledge that could be of some use. Hoops and Fouts grill him, and he eventually convinces everyone to leave him alone at least for now. Suspicion then piled once again onto GoldenEagle, but finally the tide turned late and Chubby was called to the front, and was quickly killed. You have a feeling that tonight will be pivotal. Time will tell. CHUBBY HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE TOMORROW AT 9AM EASTERN. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

09-17-2006, 08:09 PM	#1947
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I don't like those results, plus nobody tried to save Chubby (including himself).

09-17-2006, 08:10 PM	#1948
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Again no rules changes - hard to believe we have had three straight good lynches. I'm pretty sure that Squealer was responsible for the updates, which lends some credence to Grey's story ... given that he said Gram was Squealer. Grey, are you up in the mornings before lynch is posted?

09-17-2006, 08:12 PM	#1949
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	I start work at 7am Central, and visiting forums at work is frowned upon.

09-17-2006, 08:12 PM	#1950
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Anyone think that DodgerChick and GoldenEagle are in league?

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)