If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Reminder that nurses who stopped to help injured people during the inauguration protests were charged with crimes that could put them away for 60 years.

Link for those nurses?

[kingfc22]

Inauguration Day protesters, including some rioters, swept up in police dragnet | The Free Speech Project

After a quick search I think this is what Rainmaker was referring to. Looks like all charges were eventually dropped.

[JPhillips]

Seeing a lot of this on the right,

1 Fuck you. We'll never unite with Dems after the past four years.

2 If Dems pursue impeachment it will make it impossible to unite the country.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Seeing a lot of this on the right,

1 Fuck you. We'll never unite with Dems after the past four years.

2 If Dems pursue impeachment it will make it impossible to unite the country.

There's like this weird cognitive dissonance of "I hate you" and (faux?) vulnerability that I don't entirely understand. It's like they've seen what works on them from genuinely emotional and empathetic people or those who want to have reasonable arguments and just want to weaponize it right back in completely insincere ways.

SI

[Ksyrup]

“Guess who can still tweet motherfuc-” pic.twitter.com/RPUWk5sCw7

— Chris Jackson (@ChrisCJackson) January 9, 2021

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Seeing a lot of this on the right,

1 Fuck you. We'll never unite with Dems after the past four years.

2 If Dems pursue impeachment it will make it impossible to unite the country.

#2 is the go to line right now, especially for the elected members in Congress who have been suckling Trump this entire time.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

There's like this weird cognitive dissonance of "I hate you" and (faux?) vulnerability that I don't entirely understand. It's like they've seen what works on them from genuinely emotional and empathetic people or those who want to have reasonable arguments and just want to weaponize it right back in completely insincere ways.

SI

I struggle with this too. I read a great analysis in the Reddit comments of all places that pointed out how folks conditioned by conservative media alternate strictly between RIGHTEOUS RAGE and ABSOLUTE VICTIM because that's what triggers the most powerful emotional receptors in their brain. It's comparable to a drug response, and there's literally no payoff to having anything like a moderate discussion. As much as they whine about wanting respect, or double standards, or free speech, the actual act of whining is giving them a positive emotional reward. They may genuinely & righteously desire & deserve those things, but most crucially if these folks were given every single desire they could think of, they would absolutely still find something else to whine about, because they have been conditioned to do so. The crueltywhining is the point

Of course, non-conservative media of every and any stripe is trying their best to condition everyone as well, and perhaps doing an even better job in some regards. Likewise left-leaning folks are surely just as suceptible to media manipulation as the who lean right, but those qualifications aside, it's also entirely obvious that modern conservative media is its own rabid animal.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Inauguration Day protesters, including some rioters, swept up in police dragnet | The Free Speech Project

After a quick search I think this is what Rainmaker was referring to. Looks like all charges were eventually dropped.

They were dropped after the DoJ lost their first round of cases and saw the writing on the wall. Did make their lives hell for a year by forcing them to and from DC under the threat of 60 years in prison.

Dramatically different responses from the justice department.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

That it's happening so quickly and so coordinated is chilling and does not bode well for the future. Nor does the Tweet about Biden trying to do a new Domestic Terrorism bill (if it's credible). We don't need Patriot Act II - we need to walk back huge swaths of Patriot Act I.

Agree 100%. There are laws on the books that more than cover what happened at the Capitol. They just aren't enforced for certain people.

We also don't need more surveillance. These people posted their plans openly on the internet. I can go to Parler or that Donald site and find hundreds of posts threatening people and planning to commit crimes. It was no secret. But again, they were given a pass because of who they are.

If you want to deter this activity, you have to punish people who do it. Not create more draconian laws that will only be used on minorities.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I can't imagine more charges aren't coming

You are going to be disappointed. Right-wing terrorists have been treated very lightly for decades.

[GrantDawg]

I really want to know, was he organizing a coup on Shopify?

All the platforms that have banned or restricted Donald Trump so far:

• Twitter
• Reddit
• Twitch
• Google
• YouTube
• Facebook
• Instagram
• Snapchat
• Apple
• Discord
• Pinterest
• TikTok
• Shopify

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) January 9, 2021

[cartman]

It was for selling the "I went to the Capitol for a coup and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I really want to know, was he organizing a coup on Shopify?

All the platforms that have banned or restricted Donald Trump so far:

• Twitter
• Reddit
• Twitch
• Google
• YouTube
• Facebook
• Instagram
• Snapchat
• Apple
• Discord
• Pinterest
• TikTok
• Shopify

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) January 9, 2021

I don't see FOFC on that list!

[thesloppy]

Sportsdigs banned him two weeks ago.

[RainMaker]

I believe his store that sold the MAGA hats was on Shopify.

[GrantDawg]

Who was it on here that was saying this resignation was going to be about nothing?

More: A senior Justice Department official, at the behest of the White House, called Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney Byung J. Pak and told him he needed to step down because he wasn’t pursuing vote-fraud allegations to Trump’s satisfaction. w/ @aviswanatha https://t.co/Rc5qdMzBXI

— Sadie Gurman (@sgurman) January 9, 2021

[Ben E Lou]

So....can they add "abuse of power" to them thar articles?

[GrantDawg]

There are some (though I haven't seen the argument) suggesting that they would only need a simple majority to convict if they had the trial after Trump is out of office. The only historical reference we have on this doesn't support that (a Secretary of War that was impeached after he resigned, but didn't get a conviction with 2/3 majority). I wonder what their legal argument is. I am also wishing I went to law school because I enjoy this stuff too much.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

There are some (though I haven't seen the argument) suggesting that they would only need a simple majority to convict if they had the trial after Trump is out of office. The only historical reference we have on this doesn't support that (a Secretary of War that was impeached after he resigned, but didn't get a conviction with 2/3 majority). I wonder what their legal argument is. I am also wishing I went to law school because I enjoy this stuff too much.

It’s never too late...

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by AlexB

It’s never too late...

You probably already know more than some who have...Josh Hawley...

[ISiddiqui]

May I also mention that law school is not necessarily what you may expect. It's a lot of case reading and learning the tools to use precedent to argue for almost anything .

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[RainMaker]

Utah BLM protesters could get life in prison for splashing paint | Utah | The Guardian

[GrantDawg]

Thanks, Alexb. My brain mush says it is much too late.

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[Ksyrup]

Meanwhile, on Jupiter...

This is what we are fighting. This is a delusional post from the Chairman of a county GOP in Nevada. Read it all. @tedlieu @RepRaskin @SpeakerPelosi @HouseDemocrats - if reality does not crash down on these people with an impeachment, this country is lost. https://t.co/OdYxiltJ6f

— Kurt "Masks Save Lives" Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) January 9, 2021

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Utah BLM protesters could get life in prison for splashing paint | Utah | The Guardian

The headline seems clickbaitey when the article contains this paragraph:

The Utah demonstrators are unlikely to serve prison time, said the Salt Lake county district attorney, Sim Gill. Though they would get at least five years if convicted as charged, criminal cases often end with a plea to lesser counts.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Meanwhile, on Jupiter...

This is what we are fighting. This is a delusional post from the Chairman of a county GOP in Nevada. Read it all. @tedlieu @RepRaskin @SpeakerPelosi @HouseDemocrats - if reality does not crash down on these people with an impeachment, this country is lost. https://t.co/OdYxiltJ6f

— Kurt "Masks Save Lives" Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) January 9, 2021

Is this a private entity?

[Ksyrup]

It's a non-profit political organization according to the website.

[Ksyrup]

HAHAHAHA! Bright future in acting.

I just died. I’m tweeting while dead. pic.twitter.com/5tuhIdZfXG

— Anita, not from Knoxville (@anita1956) January 9, 2021

[ISiddiqui]

https://twitter.com/SenSherrodBrown/...050878467?s=19

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[Flasch186]

So when that shit doesn’t come true by the 20th where do they go then?


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[bhlloy]

Preparing to drain the swamp in 2024

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

So when that shit doesn’t come true by the 20th where do they go then?

It is like those doomsday cults that say the world will end on X date. They'll come up with some story and pick a new date.

[ISiddiqui]

This is fantastic, lol!!

https://twitter.com/parlertakes/stat...623310336?s=19

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[kingfc22]

So the bar for the 25th Amendment according to Pence is “more unstable”.

And here I was thinking just plain old unstable would be enough.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

There are some (though I haven't seen the argument) suggesting that they would only need a simple majority to convict if they had the trial after Trump is out of office. The only historical reference we have on this doesn't support that (a Secretary of War that was impeached after he resigned, but didn't get a conviction with 2/3 majority). I wonder what their legal argument is. I am also wishing I went to law school because I enjoy this stuff too much.

I believe Lawrence Tribe mentioned that since "removal from office" is the penalty for conviction in the Senate, once Trump leaves office the penalty becomes moot and therefore a trial would not take place.

[cuervo72]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...555_story.html

Getting the feeling that nothing short of a second - or continued - attacks are going to budge Republicans. If then, even.

[GrantDawg]

Parler has been kicked off Google Play and Apple Store, is now being removed from Amazon's servers. They have to find new servers by tomorrow or they go dark.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Parler has been kicked off Google Play and Apple Store, is now being removed from Amazon's servers. They have to find new servers by tomorrow or they go dark.

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awesome

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Parler has been kicked off Google Play and Apple Store, is now being removed from Amazon's servers. They have to find new servers by tomorrow or they go dark.

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I'm torn on this. The idea that you funnel the herd into one pen so you can watch them is a valid point versus dissipating them as sleeper cells all around.

[RainMaker]

Losing AWS is probably worse for them than being booted from the app stores.

[ISiddiqui]

Parler reportedly removed posts by Trump affiliate Lin Wood calling for execution of VP Mike Pence – TechCrunch

Censorship!!!

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Parler reportedly removed posts by Trump affiliate Lin Wood calling for execution of VP Mike Pence – TechCrunch

Censorship!!!

Isn't this a crime?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Losing AWS is probably worse for them than being booted from the app stores.

Uh, yeah - hard to have a platform without host servers.

SI

[GrantDawg]

There is only a handful of companies that can handle the server load/bandwidth. None are likely to be willing to work with them. The funny thing is there is one that might...based in China.

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[Edward64]

Guns & ammo were already in short supply. I would have thought anyone inclined to have a weapon would have bought one already but apparently not.

LA Gun Stores See Spike In Business After Capitol Riot – CBS Los Angeles

BURBANK (CBSLA) – Gun stores in the Los Angeles area were seeing a drastic increase in sales following Wednesday’s violent breach of the U.S. Capitol building.

Several area gun stores were seeing an uptick in first-time buyers. Redstone Firearms in Burbank told CBSLA it saw a sudden 40% increase in people looking to purchase a gun, take safety classes and shoot at their range.

“All of a sudden the text messages and the phone calls and the emails began to skyrocket,” Redstone Firearms co-owner Geneva Solomon told CBSLA Thursday “We woke up and just had a lot of different sales online, and today we’ve had an influx of business that we typically wouldn’t see on a Thursday.”

[GrantDawg]

So, which reason do you think wins out? They bought up guns to be ready for more violence, or they bought them up expecting Biden to immediately outlaw guns now that they know he will be president? Gun and ammo sales skyrocketed in the Obama years because they were always afraid that guns were going to be band.

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[Edward64]

MSNBC talking head said VPs don't get the lifetime Secret Service protection. And considering Pelosi's and McConnell's houses were vandalized a week ago, I'm okay they they want to spend some tax payer money to provide additional protection to the higher risk folks.

I assume Pence and McConnell already own and know how to use firearms. I would suggest Pelosi get and learn how to use a weapon for a just in case.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

So, which reason do you think wins out? They bought up guns to be ready for more violence, or they bought them up expecting Biden to immediately outlaw guns now that they know he will be president? Gun and ammo sales skyrocketed in the Obama years because they were always afraid that guns were going to be band.

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I posted Biden's gun policies from his site about 2-3 weeks ago. What I remember is he does want to ban assault weapons, have additional checks etc. He also wants "smart guns", I'm okay with the option but wouldn't want it to be compulsory.

There was already a run up on gun buying last year. I think much of that was because of Biden's policies and early unknowns about the flu. But this latest article indicates the latest surge (at least in LA area) is because of the thugs rioting in DC.

So my guess is buying guns in case of more violence due to Wed not because of Biden's policies.

FWIW, low odds there will be shootouts. But good chance there will be violence here and there.

[Edward64]

My wife's BIL is a big Trump supporter. One of those FB posting guys.

I don't do FB so asked the wife. She said not a peep from him re: Wed but he did post a picture of new puppies.

[RainMaker]

I am guessing some might be anticipating an uptick in right wing terrorism and law enforcement not particularly interested in stopping it.