Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

If I live today I will be trying to assemble a case for tomorrow as I don't think USFL is our best bet.

Vote USFL Lynch

Who would you consider our best bet Barkeep, just out of curiousity?

[path12]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

From people that are dead, no less. Don't require us to keep you entertained.

I actually had a second rant written up about those who feel that all they need to do is show up and post once or twice a day, because that pisses me off just as much.

Then I decided that I didn't need to spread my foul mood all over the thread.

[path12]

BK, I ask also because I'm not totally sold on USFL either.

Going into today, I would have had you, RendeR and squirrel as my top three. RendeR and squirrel (sorry, I'm too old to learn to spell backwards) have done things that have mollified me slightly.

[Schmidty]

It feels like I've been out of this game for weeks.

Pick up the pace, people!!!!

[path12]

So. 13 minutes to deadline and looks like 5-4 Techmo over Barkeep.

And just me and RendeR here.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by path12

So. 13 minutes to deadline and looks like 5-4 Techmo over Barkeep.

And just me and RendeR here.

Deadline is 11p fyi.

[path12]

Oh yeah. I keep forgetting that. Plus I guess it's 5-5 instead of 5-4.

Back in awhile then.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Tie is no lynch, dubb said at some point.

This is not correct. From the rules:

Originally Posted by The Rules

The king breaks all tie votes

This is from the public rules. The king will know how this works.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by dubb93

This is not correct. From the rules:



This is from the public rules. The king will know how this works.

Was that the case if there was no king, or am I just going nuts?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Was that the case if there was no king, or am I just going nuts?

If the king is unable to break the tie for whatever reason there will be no lynch.

[dubb93]

Day 7 Vote Count (11p Deadline):

Barkeep Lynch - 5 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFLTecmo (1867), Path12 (1883), Autumn (1900)

USFLTecmo Lynch - 5 - Lerriuqs (1856), RendeR (1874), Abe Sargent (1882), The Jackal (1895), Barkeep (1899)

[USFLTecmo]

Looks like this is getting rather interesting.

[RendeR]

So, who will Abe choose?

[path12]

I'm willing to let Abe break the tie.

I'd feel better about it if I saw him around though.

[USFLTecmo]

Probably me. I add less value than BK if he's good and I am too. On the other hand, I have a sinking feeling he's not good, I am, I'll go anyway, and he'll get away scot-free.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm willing to let Abe break the tie.

I'd feel better about it if I saw him around though.

I was thinking the same thing. We can't let this go to a tie with no Abe.

[path12]

Originally Posted by path12

BK, I ask also because I'm not totally sold on USFL either.

Going into today, I would have had you, RendeR and squirrel as my top three. RendeR and squirrel (sorry, I'm too old to learn to spell backwards) have done things that have mollified me slightly.

On the other hand I have to note that all of these three are on USFLTecmo. I'd expect that of Barkeep though.

[path12]

Dubb, can you say if a conditional tiebreak has been received? (or whatever the procedure is)

[USFLTecmo]

Squirrel still hasn't answered me about why he targeted me, other than "UTR," which is about par for the course for me. Keep that in mind after I die, please.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

Squirrel still hasn't answered me about why he targeted me, other than "UTR," which is about par for the course for me. Keep that in mind after I die, please.

We have not much else to go on, though there were some posts that I questioned from a day or two ago...

[lerriuqs]

UNVOTE LYNCH USFL

VOTE LYNCH BARKEEP

I don't want to risk a tie with no Abe. Abe can still change it back if he shows in the first 10 minutes.

[USFLTecmo]

And you didn't bring them up earlier in the day why? Even when I asked you to? That smells, IMO.

[path12]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

Squirrel still hasn't answered me about why he targeted me, other than "UTR," which is about par for the course for me. Keep that in mind after I die, please.

Someone on the list had to go up. Other than the wolves none of us have any info so while if your good those who vote for you will come under some suspicion, it's a reasonable guess given the participation level. Nothing personal.

[RendeR]

Veeeeellly interrlllesting

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

And you didn't bring them up earlier in the day why? Even when I asked you to? That smells, IMO.

Missed it actually. Been busy at work.

[path12]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

UNVOTE LYNCH USFL

VOTE LYNCH BARKEEP

I don't want to risk a tie with no Abe. Abe can still change it back if he shows in the first 10 minutes.

Now THAT makes it interesting.

[path12]

I was ready to switch but not now.

[USFLTecmo]

Originally Posted by path12

Someone on the list had to go up. Other than the wolves none of us have any info so while if your good those who vote for you will come under some suspicion, it's a reasonable guess given the participation level. Nothing personal.

It wouldn't bother me so much, except this is par for the course for any lynch vote involving me late. Someone popping in with a new thought, or a new question, a long time after I asked them to bring it to the table earlier. Given it's a pattern, it's very frustrating.

[path12]

Well squirrel, you're either a hero or you just painted a target on yourself.

[dubb93]

Deadline

[dubb93]

Day 7 Final Vote Count:

Barkeep Lynch - 6 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFLTecmo (1867), Path12 (1883), Autumn (1900), Lerriuqs (1921)

USFLTecmo Lynch - 4 - RendeR (1874), Abe Sargent (1882), The Jackal (1895), Barkeep (1899)

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by path12

I was ready to switch but not now.

The way I was reading this - the King has to make a decision or there'd be no lynch. Therefore, in case Abe didn't show, we can't afford a no lynch today.

[path12]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

It wouldn't bother me so much, except this is par for the course for any lynch vote involving me late. Someone popping in with a new thought, or a new question, a long time after I asked them to bring it to the table earlier. Given it's a pattern, it's very frustrating.

Yeah, I get that. But some games you just don't have a lot to go on, y'know? This is my first game with you but I've got absolutely no handle on how you think because you haven't said much.

If you put your thoughts out there with reasoning as the game goes along, then the other players get an idea of where you're coming from and can then judge you more fairly.

Or.....you can also keep in mind that there are at least three players left in this game who WANT the good guys to die. That's frustrating when you're one of the good guys and get targeted.....

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by path12

Well squirrel, you're either a hero or you just painted a target on yourself.

So be it. I have nothing but the best interests of the village at heart here.

[path12]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

The way I was reading this - the King has to make a decision or there'd be no lynch. Therefore, in case Abe didn't show, we can't afford a no lynch today.

I agree with you about needing to lynch here. I didn't expect Dubb to answer my question but had to put it out there anyways.

[path12]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

So be it. I have nothing but the best interests of the village at heart here.

I'd be interested to see your trust list after the lynch. I'd be interested to see everyone's, as a matter of fact.

[path12]

Just as an aside while we're waiting, that unclear seer vision really put us behind the 8-ball, especially after Lathum's stunt.

[USFLTecmo]

Originally Posted by path12

Yeah, I get that. But some games you just don't have a lot to go on, y'know? This is my first game with you but I've got absolutely no handle on how you think because you haven't said much.

If you put your thoughts out there with reasoning as the game goes along, then the other players get an idea of where you're coming from and can then judge you more fairly.

Or.....you can also keep in mind that there are at least three players left in this game who WANT the good guys to die. That's frustrating when you're one of the good guys and get targeted.....

I understand I'm fair game to be targeted at any time. It is the game, after all. Like I pointed out earlier, though, I'm usually targeted for the quiet reason. I have a hard time posting in games where I don't fully understand the rules, what with the hidden ball tricks going on in this game so far, with the Abe hidden role, and especially the saldana scan. The saldana scan pretty much shut me up for the day, because now I'm leery about just about everyone knowing something I don't, especially a wolf making a play that makes something I might have just said look very suspect.

Anyway, I then ask if they have anything more, and the person finally gets back to me way too late to do any good with any explanation I have. If I'd know earlier why the "other" reason I'm being targeted is, I'd have half a chance. Tonight, I was saved because Squirrel was on me and didn't want the game mechanics to screw us over. Usually doesn't happen that way.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by path12

Just as an aside while we're waiting, that unclear seer vision really put us behind the 8-ball, especially after Lathum's stunt.

Yes it did - no idea what happened there...

[path12]

But dude, you can't just not talk because you might be wrong. Hell, you're gonna be wrong way more often than not in this game.

I've gone full-bore attack on people on nothing more than gut. If you're vanilla I think you have to play the game very aggressively like that for two reasons -- you've got nothing to go on besides what is said in thread; and if you are wrong and end up getting lynched the village doesn't lose a role.

[dubb93]

As the day comes to an end the mob turns on one of the men who was instrumental in forming the lynch mob in the beginning. When battle lines were drawn and the kingdom of Metou split on lynching or jailing Barkeep never wavered in his support for spilling blood.

That was a long time ago. There is no question that Barkeep has blood on his hands. Blood of innocent men on his hands. One could argue that had Barkeep not been so adamant in pushing for lynches such a long time ago there would be no mob to turn on him today. Nevertheless here we are. Barkeep has a look of terror on his face. He is now forced to feel the terror he helped descend onto Metou.

Mob mentality has taken over and Barkeep must sense it as he doesn't even put up a fight. In the chaos someone decides to throw a rock that strikes Barkeep in the head. As it turns out this is a blessing in disguise as Barkeep is not conscious for what comes next.

In the end the mob falls upon the home of Barkeep. Barkeep lies motionless in a pile of blood in the yard. The mob searches the home for hours tearing it apart all for not. You find nothing. Barkeep was a simple man with a simple life. You have murdered an innocent today.

Barkeep was a Vanilla Villager.

Day 7 has come to and end. Night 7 has started. Night 7 ends 10a EST Wednesday.

1. Barkeep49 - Lynched Day 7, Vanilla Villager
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe - Elected King Day 6
5. MartinD
6. hoopsguy - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. Passacaglia - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. Telle - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. Danny - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. Lathum - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum - Killed Night 6, Crystal Oculo
16. saldana - Lynched Day 6, Vanilla Villager
17. DaddyTorgo - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. Tyrith - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. KWhit - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. Schmidty - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[path12]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Yes it did - no idea what happened there...

I know when designing a game sometimes a mechanic doesn't turn out as you had originally planned. I have a feeling that is the case here, because for whatever reason that ended up being really unbalancing IMO.

[lerriuqs]

Bah...though I didn't see Abe here - a no lynch was worse...

[path12]

Aw fuck.

Sorry. Do we swear in games anymore?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by path12

I know when designing a game sometimes a mechanic doesn't turn out as you had originally planned. I have a feeling that is the case here, because for whatever reason that ended up being really unbalancing IMO.

Whatever caused the view CR had when he scanned that night worked exactly as I intended. Lets keep the discussion here in game. We can discuss the balance after the game.

[path12]

Trust:
Abe
Autumn
myself

All the rest are neutral as far as I can tell now, in my order from most neutral to least:

squirrel
USFLTecmo
RendeR
MartinD
The Jackal
SnDvls

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by path12

Aw fuck.

Sorry. Do we swear in games anymore?

Yes we do.

[path12]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Whatever caused the view CR had when he scanned that night worked exactly as I intended. Lets keep the discussion here in game. We can discuss the balance after the game.

That's cool. Just passin' the time.

[path12]

Originally Posted by path12

Trust:
Abe
Autumn
myself

All the rest are neutral as far as I can tell now, in my order from most neutral to least:

squirrel
USFLTecmo
RendeR
MartinD
The Jackal
SnDvls

Just to go a bit deeper (I want to get this out in case I'm offed tonight).

squirrel made the vote shift and put himself on the line. Since Barkeep was a villager that is bad....except that his reasonings seemed sound. If it turns out USFL is a wolf, then odds are that squirrel is bad as well.

USFL also is just gut based on his responses.

I have no idea what to think about MartinD.

SnDvls is being helpful. This can be a ploy.

Jackal is quiet, and RendeR is RendeR dialed back a bit. I would bet the car that one of Jackal, SnDvls and RendeR are bad.

But I don't have a great car. Come and get me you wolfy bastards, because I got nothin.

[lerriuqs]

Trust:
Abe
Autumn
path

My list - from most neutral to least:
squirrel
RendeR
SnDvls
USFLTecmo
The Jackal
MartinD

This is off the top of my head - but I won't have time to do what I want to do which is go through posts to find something more before tomorrow's lynch.

FTR, I'll be out at a conference all day and not back till after 7 ET.

Night all.