The Trump Presidency – 2016

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's probably also worth mentioning here that apparently Barr has been traveling the world trying to get dirt to discredit his own agencies and our country's intelligence agency.

And Gorka and Pompeo are travelling tonight together to Italy where Barr is...

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

This. I think revrew's opinion provides too much moral equivalence to groups that would be seen as immoral to most people, i.e. Nazi's and Nazi opposition would have to be presented as morally neutral.

Should it be the reporter's job to cast judgement on who's moral though? Reporters should present facts and leave judgement up to the readers.

[JPhillips]

Yes. The job of journalism isn't neutrality or balance, but truth. Saying, Some see Nazis as evil, but others disagree, provides misinformation to readers in the guise of objectivity.

I grant that things get much more challenging with examples not as extreme, but always being neutral produces a bias of its own.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I grant that things get much more challenging with examples not as extreme, but always being neutral produces a bias of its own.

And normalizes bad behavior, such as white supremacy marches.

[Ben E Lou]

Yay 70 years of murderous regime!

pic.twitter.com/9JX0kknSdC

— Haley Britzky (@halbritz) October 1, 2019

[PilotMan]

Can you imagine if any D president congratulated a Communist leader on the anniversary of the Communist takeover?

[Edward64]

I'm pro-Wall (with holistic immigration reform) but this is going too far. When I read the headlines I thought he was making a joke but it doesn't sound that way in the article.

Trump suggested shooting migrants in the legs: NYT | TheHill

President Trump suggested having migrants shot in their legs during a March meeting with White House advisers in the Oval Office, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

The Times’ report is based on interviews with more than a dozen White House administration officials involved in the events the week of the meeting. The article is adapted from a forthcoming book by reporters Mike Shear and Julie Hirschfield Davis, titled “Border Wars: Inside Trump’s Assault on Immigration.” It will be published Oct. 8.

The aides told the Times Trump suggested to advisors during the Oval Office meeting that they should shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down.

The suggestion came after Trump had publicly suggested shooting migrants if they threw rocks, the Times reports. Trump had made the suggestion about shooting migrants that threw rocks during a speech in November.

Officials who spoke to the Times also recall Trump often suggesting fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators.

Trump also “wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh,” the Times reports.

When advisors told Trump some of his suggestions were not allowed, he reportedly became frustrated.

“You are making me look like an idiot!” Trump shouted, according to the Times, citing multiple officials in the room’s description. “I ran on this. It’s my issue.”

The meeting was set for 30-minutes and the Times reports it lasted more than an hour. Officials in the room included then Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

A White House spokesperson was not immediately available for comment.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm pro-Wall (with holistic immigration reform) but this is going too far. When I read the headlines I thought he was making a joke but it doesn't sound that way in the article.

Trump suggested shooting migrants in the legs: NYT | TheHill

I read the whole article earlier and it shows a staggering level of dysfunction in the White House. Problem is Trump supporters will just yell fake news!

[Atocep]

I have no idea how someone so obviously dense and repeatedly displays his stupidity world the world to see has people that believe he's one of the smartest people on the planet.

The mental gymnastics people go through in order to believe this man is actually intelligent is astounding.

[Flasch186]

yet still the frog's bones continue to boil and no one does shit.

Watch the movie Us. This is it. The worst of people has been allowed to be shown (which is good because now we see the truth beneath many people's facades) but once out it'll be very hard to hide them again.

I keep thinking if the Right saw an article where Trump's name was replaced with Kim Jong Un or Turkey's PM they'd be like fuck that guy!! 'Merica but since it's Trump and its here they're like yeah so fuck the rest of the world. This is our guy!! and fuck you and fuck you! He didn't say "though" he didnt say shoot them, you can't believe google or news, fuck news and almost fuck Fox cuz a few hours are not my narrative, fuck them shoot the whistleblower!! TREASON.

It's exhausting for me but they seem to never get exhausted.

[Atocep]

And here we go:

On Tuesday night, Mr Trump tweeted: “As I learn more and more each day, I am coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP, intended to take away the Power of the People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America!”

Trump calls impeachment probe ‘a coup’ designed to strip citizens of rights in furious Twitter thread | The Independent

[thesloppy]

Psst, the people didn't vote for your ass.

[Atocep]

This is probably what sparked that outburst:

Two members of the Trump administration have agreed to testify to Congress’ impeachment investigations into the president’s allegedly inappropriate outreach to the leader of Ukraine – apparently rejecting Mike Pompeo’s demand that they not cooperate.

As Mr Trump used Twitter to denounce the whistleblower who has claimed the president asked Ukraine’s president to dig up dirt on Joe Biden, and as the secretary of state accused Democrats of seeking to “intimidate and bully” his employees, two senior members of the state department’s diplomatic staff said they would provide information.

Marie Yovanovitch, the former US ambassador to Ukraine, who was brought back to Washington several months early, will provide a deposition on 11 October.

Meanwhile, Kurt Volker, the former special envoy to Ukraine who resigned from his position last Friday, will appear before the intelligence committee of the House of Representatives on Thursday, committee sources told the US media.

Trump administration officials agree to testify about Ukraine call for impeachment investigation | The Independent

[Thomkal]

Yeah Atocep and a Inspector-General of the State Dept I believe asked for an emergency briefing with House committees tomorrow on something urgent.

[stevew]

So it’s not enough simply to impeach and remove. You also have to disqualify as well. Good job, good effort framers.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The job of journalism isn't neutrality or balance, but truth. Saying, Some see Nazis as evil, but others disagree, provides misinformation to readers in the guise of objectivity.

I agree with the first sentence, but the second does not follow from that starting point. If your job is to report truth, then it's about what Nazis stand for and facts about various Nazi groups, not whether they are evil or not. There's a big difference between truth and making value judgements. Similarly, reporting facts about how many people support Nazi ideology is the job of the journalist; saying whether or not those people are correct in doing so is not.

[GrantDawg]

Poll: 40 percent of Republicans say Trump 'probably' mentioned Biden on Ukraine call | TheHill


This. This is why this is such an uphill battle. The President has openly admitted to bringing up Biden in the phone call, and the White House released the transcript. Yet, most Republicans believe he didn't bring up Biden. How? Because most Republicans no longer care about the truth in any form. Just "own then libs."

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I agree with the first sentence, but the second does not follow from that starting point. If your job is to report truth, then it's about what Nazis stand for and facts about various Nazi groups, not whether they are evil or not. There's a big difference between truth and making value judgements. Similarly, reporting facts about how many people support Nazi ideology is the job of the journalist; saying whether or not those people are correct in doing so is not.

I disagree, simply put journalism has to have some sort of value system built into it. It can't be a black and white line, it never has been. I don't think humans are even capable of it. The first papers in this country were basically 100% editorial, and they helped shape attitudes of the day. You cannot remove the value judgements away, but they shouldn't be the end all, be all, of it either.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I disagree, simply put journalism has to have some sort of value system built into it. It can't be a black and white line, it never has been. I don't think humans are even capable of it. The first papers in this country were basically 100% editorial, and they helped shape attitudes of the day. You cannot remove the value judgements away, but they shouldn't be the end all, be all, of it either.

Before my wife ran her school paper, she wrote a lot of articles on the sports teams. The professor that over saw everything kept on telling her she had to have an angle. My wife would get frustrated because she was covering XYZ game, her angle was providing a game recap. As she put it, if she was writing an editorial, you have an angle or argument you promoting, if you are recounting an event, you recount the event minimizing your personal bias about the event.

[stevew]

Moat filled with alligators and snakes?

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by stevew

Moat filled with alligators and snakes?

It's like Cartman from South Park is now the president*.

[JPhillips]

From a real Trump tweet:

Now the press is trying to sell the fact that I wanted a Moot stuffed with alligators and snakes, with an electrified fence and sharp spikes on top, at our Southern Border. I may be tough on Border Security, but not that tough. The press has gone Crazy. Fake News!

[Thomkal]

Ah I see no Moot, but a Moat...

[Kodos]

It may be a Moot point.

[JediKooter]

Maybe he's secretly Canadian?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

It's like Cartman is now the president*.

I will serve with humility and distinction

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by cartman

I will serve with humility and distinction

But do you like hamberders?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yeah Atocep and a Inspector-General of the State Dept I believe asked for an emergency briefing with House committees tomorrow on something urgent.

Early reporting on this is that it may be in part Pompeo threatening discipline if State Dept employees cooperated with Congress.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

But do you like hamberders?

don't you put that covfefe on me

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by cartman

don't you put that covfefe on me

Well, you know what they say...where's there's smock, there's covfefe.

[JPhillips]

You guys can't carry Trump's blankstrap.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Before my wife ran her school paper, she wrote a lot of articles on the sports teams. The professor that over saw everything kept on telling her she had to have an angle. My wife would get frustrated because she was covering XYZ game, her angle was providing a game recap. As she put it, if she was writing an editorial, you have an angle or argument you promoting, if you are recounting an event, you recount the event minimizing your personal bias about the event.

Like for example, the "Boston Massacre"?

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You guys can't carry Trump's blankstrap.

Gives new meaning to, 'Drain the swamp'.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ya know, whether there was actual removal from office level wrongdoing here, or if this is just another attempt from the left to remove Trump by any means necessary is becoming rapidly irrelevant. His descent into total crazy is far more concerning than a phone call.

How has this guy not been medically diagnosed with some sort of mental instability? You could make an easier case than this whole Ukraine mess by arguing his mental competency to hold office.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Ya know, whether there was actual removal from office level wrongdoing here, or if this is just another attempt from the left to remove Trump by any means necessary is becoming rapidly irrelevant. His descent into total crazy is far more concerning than a phone call.

How has this guy not been medically diagnosed with some sort of mental instability? You could make an easier case than this whole Ukraine mess by arguing his mental competency to hold office.

His multiple attempts at obstructing justice should have been enough, but, when you have a complicit senate, a staff that are nothing but 'yes men', an attorney general that's nothing more than a consigliere and have stacked the courts, well, here we are...I highly doubt that they are concerned with the mental competency of President* Big Brain.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

His multiple attempts at obstructing justice should have been enough, but, when you have a complicit senate, a staff that are nothing but 'yes men', an attorney general that's nothing more than a consigliere and have stacked the courts, well, here we are...I highly doubt that they are concerned with the mental competency of President* Big Brain.

I have had my brain checked by doctors. Good respected doctors. The BEST doctors. The doctors tell me my brain is fine. Its better than fine. In fact the doctors tell me I have the best brain they have ever seen. It will last at least another 100 years they tell me. My brain is great. Its perfect. Its better than it was when I was 25.

[Kodos]

My visit with the doctor was perfect. That's what everybody said.

[NobodyHere]

Let's say Trump went to the doctor and major brain trauma was found, would anyone here actually start feeling sorry for him?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Let's say Trump went to the doctor and major brain trauma was found, would anyone here actually start feeling sorry for him?

Maybe I would for him, but his staff and medical team who had to know by now that something was wrong with him and did nothing? I'd feel sorry for the firestorm about to be unleashed on them, but they would deserve it.

[Thomkal]

Now a Dem Representative had a press conference saying the IG briefed them on an attempt by Trump and Pompeo to spread misinformation and conspiracy theories about the Ambassador to Ukraine due to testify next week and political opponemts-there were envelopes from the Trump Hotel in the packet supposedly.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I have had my brain checked by doctors. Good respected doctors. The BEST doctors. The doctors tell me my brain is fine. Its better than fine. In fact the doctors tell me I have the best brain they have ever seen. It will last at least another 100 years they tell me. My brain is great. Its perfect. Its better than it was when I was 25.

If the punctuation wasn't so good, it would be like I was reading this from the horses mouth.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Let's say Trump went to the doctor and major brain trauma was found, would anyone here actually start feeling sorry for him?

Easily. I already knew who Trump was, be it due to brain damage or just being utterly reprobate and a dummy. It’s those with the power to have stopped this who stood by and watched with whom I have beef. I knew he was a snake.

[Atocep]

You assume everyone in Trump's orbit is dirty, but Pompeo somehow stayed under the radar as far as just how dirty he is.

Also, Pence is doing his best to position himself as President Pence. He's admitted he had some involvement in the Ukraine plot, but didn't have any knowledge of what was actually going on. If you're forced to claim you didn't know what was going on you're kind of admitting something wrong was happening.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Let's say Trump went to the doctor and major brain trauma was found, would anyone here actually start feeling sorry for him?

Absolutely. I don't like how we so easily cheer when things happen to people we don't like. I know how terrifying the idea of dementia is to me, so being happy that someone else is suffering from it just sounds like a truly horrible thing.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Let's say Trump went to the doctor and major brain trauma was found, would anyone here actually start feeling sorry for him?

No.

He was always a POS. From rent discrimination to the central park 5 to what he pulled with the Taj Mahal he has ruined countless lives and never once even acted contrite. A close family friend was screwed by him, losing tens of thousands of dollars in pianos at the Taj, and there are several others like him. He is also a shitty husband and father.

I hope when he dies it is painful for him and his family of shitbags.

[JPhillips]

Trump just told the press that Ukraine and China should investigate the Bidens.

I guess we're past all of the "he didn't do it" takes?

[PilotMan]

We're quickly blanching into the "I can do it, it's fine, it's only to protect myself and all the attacks I'm under, and I'm going to do it, and it's legal and by saying it's fine, people will believe it's completely fine" line of defense where others will be blamed and that makes it ok for him to 'fight back' yet again. In fact, that's really the only defense I hear now (OMG, He's just being treated to badly, and omg, it's so not fair, and this has never happened before, and those people are just awful), besides the brainwashed few who believe him to be the best leader since Washington.

[stevew]

If everything comes in 3s, what is #3?

1. Snake and Alligator filled most
2. Retweeting Nickelback Photoshopped meme of the Bidens

#3 almost has to involve OJ Simpson ?

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by stevew

If everything comes in 3s, what is #3?

1. Snake and Alligator filled most
2. Retweeting Nickelback Photoshopped meme of the Bidens

#3 almost has to involve OJ Simpson ?

soldiers with bayonets all along the border?

[cartman]

Remember, he publicly stated that he thinks Article II of the Constitution says he can do whatever he wants.