The thread for images so cool that they belong in this thread

[Butter]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Did anyone else watch cartman's image from start to finish?

Absolutely, that was great.

[tucker rocky]

Originally Posted by cartman

Faster version.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Faster version.

One of the most amazing things I've ever seen.

[Desnudo]

Truly cromulent

[Danny]

Wow, that is amazing

[cuervo72]

Best SNAFU player evar.

[JeeberD]

I seem to remember the "snake" getting faster the longer it got. Once it got going as fast as the sped up gif, it got difficult to make the intricate moves this dude is making...

[britrock88]

Right.

...The sped-up version is still 3 minutes long, BTW.

[Danny]

the guy was so good the sped up version is actually the real version, the first one they slowed down for people to waste extra time watching

[RendeR]

Are we sure this was a live player? This was done a few times by a computer to test decision making by an AI.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Best SNAFU player evar.

I was wondering if I was the only one thinking SNAFU.

The music from that game gets stuck in my head even to this day.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by fantom1979

The music from that game gets stuck in my head even to this day.

Likewise.

[Pyser]

[sterlingice]

SI

[Dutch]

no kidding.

[Toddzilla]

BEN EDIT: Enough whining about the moderating from you. I think you need a month off to consider whether you want to come back and play nicely.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

One day, there will just be a bunch of moderators here wondering where everybody is. Oh, and Schmidty saying "Why the fuck can't I get boxed?"

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Ben, you seriously need a new hobby at this point. This is getting pretty ridiculous. If you don't like the post, remove it and be done with it. Don't alter people's posts with a snide comment when they have no opportunity to respond. You're an adult. Act like it.

[Dutch]

SMDH ya'll.

[lighthousekeeper]

fuck this place.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Ben, you seriously need a new hobby at this point. This is getting pretty ridiculous. If you don't like the post, remove it and be done with it. Don't alter people's posts with a snide comment when they have no opportunity to respond. You're an adult. Act like it.

Disagree. One of the recent debates started because that was exactly what they were doing. We don't need the offender to respond because they violated the rules but a moderator explaining the action gives the community not only a reason why/where it happened (and penalty thereof) but serves as a warning as well.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Disagree. One of the recent debates started because that was exactly what they were doing. We don't need the offender to respond because they violated the rules but a moderator explaining the action gives the community not only a reason why/where it happened (and penalty thereof) but serves as a warning as well.

There's a messaging service on this board. Remove the post, and send a message to him that he's got some time off. It's really as simple as that. Trust me, I've moderated multiple boards. What he did is absolutely the worst way to handle it. It only causes further problems.

[Lathum]

One of the biggest complaint people have in all this was there is rarely a reason given when someone is boxed. Ben boxed Todd and gave a reason in the post, seems like he was trying to placate the people who have had complaints by giving his reason.

You can choose to disagree with the reasoning, which I do, why does Ben care so much if people complain, but at least he gave a reason.

[MrBug708]

Isn't it a personal problem that Ben is having? Not really a board issue at all?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Isn't it a personal problem that Ben is having? Not really a board issue at all?

Moderating issues come and go. It's somewhat like being an umpire. With that said, editing a post is usually a huge no-no in moderating. It gives the implication that you are above everyone else and what he said was important enough to ban him but yet you still have the time to kick him while he's down.

If you're going to edit on the above post, just put "1 month ban for repeated personal complaints/attacks". By responding the way he did, it makes it feel more personal than just business.

[BYU 14]

Damn I blink and miss stuff, what now?

[Ben E Lou]

Dude made at least three posts after I said I'm done with hearing complaints....complaining. I have a bit more leniency for heat of the moment stuff, so I let some stuff slide, but today he came back after everything had pretty much died down to stir stuff up yet again. Easy call there.

[cmp]

Seriously what is going on with this place. I've been coming here every day for twelve years and now I'm afraid it'll cease to exist in the near future.

[jeff061]

Ben's running it like it's thriving and needs to be kept on track. I disagree. But it's not my call, so whatever.

[molson]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Isn't it a personal problem that Ben is having? Not really a board issue at all?

Maybe people were getting in trouble at work when their bosses saw that people were complaining on the message board they were on?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Isn't it a personal problem that Ben is having? Not really a board issue at all?

It's a personal problem in that some posters just hate Ben. Ben happens to have a strong personality, and it just doesn't mesh with everybody. At this point, I don't think it matters HOW he moderates - if he takes care of things behind the scenes, or if he states reasons - no course of action is going to suffice. Chubby for instance. It's become pretty clear that he just despises Ben, and has for some time. Didn't like how he played FOF, didn't like how he was exposing some strategies, etc. Pretty sure he's wanted him out at IHOF for a while as well. This thread was just another easy opportunity to jump on him (even if Ben wasn't the only one removing images). I doubt he really cares about CrimsonFox, or images, or whatever. He just wants Ben out.

And what OF it thriving? Why does this place need to thrive? Play by the rules and enjoy what's here, or don't. It's not like we get bitcoins for FOFC's prosperity. It's not like we have to cultivate membership. We're not in some competition with other game forums. If folks are still here that you like to interact with, do that. If there's not, go where there will be.

[Lathum]

That all makes sense Cuervo, but I think there is also a perception there are people Ben doesn't like and he abuses his mod powers because of it.

You can agree or disagree, but there is a different set of standards for certain people.

[jeff061]

It doesn't need to thrive to be an enjoyable place to visit. That wasn't my point. It needs to thrive for Ben's moderation style to have a positive impact rather than a negative one. Since it's not thriving(which is fine), the moderation style does more harm than good.

[cmp]

Originally Posted by Lathum

That all makes sense Cuervo, but I think there is also a perception there are people Ben doesn't like and he abuses his mod powers because of it.

You can agree or disagree, but there is a different set of standards for certain people.

Yeah, this seems the most likely. There seems to be a mutual dislike and it shows.

[molson]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

And what OF it thriving? Why does this place need to thrive? Play by the rules and enjoy what's here, or don't. It's not like we get bitcoins for FOFC's prosperity. It's not like we have to cultivate membership. We're not in some competition with other game forums. If folks are still here that you like to interact with, do that. If there's not, go where there will be.

The posters can do what they want and so can the mods. They just have different kinds of tools to implement what they want to do.

But as long as there's some kind of posting activity, people will post their opinions here about all kinds of stuff, board and non-board related. I have no personal dislike of anyone here, but ya, after hanging around here 13 years I think its too bad that post volume has gone off a cliff, that the discussions are less vibrant and contain fewer diverse viewpoints, that people are being boxed because of personality conflicts, that some mods have chosen to have this hostile relationship with some posters, but then other mods play pranks with certain posters to edit username settings to troll the board. I also wonder what the state of this place will be by the time Jim comes out with a new game and how all that will mesh.

But ya, after all that, of course, it's still just take it or leave it. It's too bad, because I don't have 13 years of posting anywhere else, but still, I have no stake, I get it. Nobody has a stake. We all get that (as did the many that have left). Posters can leave, mods can ban posters or shut down the site, we all get it. I don't get what that has to do with anything. People might have an opinion about an MLB's player's suspension, but its not like anybody can do anything about it, and obviously nobody has to even watch baseball if they don't want to. They can still not be a fan of a suspension length.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

BEN EDIT: Enough whining about the moderating from you. I think you need a month off to consider whether you want to come back and play nicely.

And yet no mention of the actual LEGITMATE issue Todd set out. Funny, that.

There's a pic RECENTLY posted in the child molesters thread that's still there and no boxing/bannings occurred. Someone on here was boxed for posting a pic of a FULLY CLOTHED female. Ben posted on the molesters thread, so you know he saw the pic.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

And what OF it thriving? Why does this place need to thrive? Play by the rules and enjoy what's here, or don't. It's not like we get bitcoins for FOFC's prosperity. It's not like we have to cultivate membership. We're not in some competition with other game forums. If folks are still here that you like to interact with, do that. If there's not, go where there will be.

I think that's easy to say if you belong to a ton of message boards, interact with the same folks outside the board, and assume everybody else does as well. For some folks (myself included) this is one of the very few forums they frequent (or at least have a presence on), and this is one of the only places they interact with certain people that they've come to know over years and years, and just tossing it in the trash and walking away isn't something they would do casually. You might argue that the bonds can't be that strong if they rely on the place where they take place, more than the people themselves, but I don't think the issue is that simple that it can be so simply dismissed, nor is it really a call that someone should be making for someone else.

Frankly, if this truly is FOFC's last gasp, I'd ask why it should be at the mod's terms, rather than the users? If it's the mods party, and they're just going to knowingly and actively keep tightening up the reigns to hasten its death, it's guaranteed to be a contentious, ugly, bickering demise, as long-time users are banned, and others complain about THOSE people being banned until they are banned, rinse and repeat until finish. Conversely, If the mods and the super-secret-user-commity are already resigned to FOFC being beyond saving, then why are they now starting to police it with even greater fervor? Let it go to the dogs, and the end result would be the same, but at least they'll have fun doing it, and it wouldn't involve dramatic personal conflict on a public stage, on a daily basis. The continued implication that this place is in it's death throes and less interesting than ever is I guess a fair, if unflattering point, but that doesn't make any sort of logical case for why the rules are now being enforced more strictly. If anything it just makes it more confusing.

Lastly, at this point, I don't think anybody is arguing that FOFC needs prosperity or cultivating membership, so much as not having the long-time, quality people who are here actively driven away. That seems like a pretty critical and simple distinction to make, and it also shouldn't be painted as 'business as usual' on the internet. The mods here are especially cranky. But the users here are also especially cranky. Neither side is really acting properly, but each side continuing to assert that the other one is the only one acting in the wrong surely isn't helping this come any closer to a conclusion.

And just for the record, I couldn't care less about booby pictures, and have absolutely no issue with the moderators, either individually or collectively. I'd just like to see this place stop combusting.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by cmp

Yeah, this seems the most likely. There seems to be a mutual dislike and it shows.

Or you can like Ben and just disagree with the overall modding here. I think Ben's an awesome guy and generally done a great job with FOFC. I love the guy and his patriotic undies. If I had to pick someone to turn it over to again, I'd again pick Ben. No hesitation whatsoever.

But...

...I get the feeling that he's where I was a few years ago - frustrated with the board and everything that goes along with it - and maybe it's time for him to let go for a while. It's hard to let something go that you've invested so much time and effort into. Lord, do I know. But sometimes you have to set something free for the betterment of both sides and I believe that may be the case in this instance. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

That all makes sense Cuervo, but I think there is also a perception there are people Ben doesn't like and he abuses his mod powers because of it.

You can agree or disagree, but there is a different set of standards for certain people.

Oh, I won't disagree with that. I think there a number of posters that register with Ben that he respects, either because they made a mark on him very early in the history of the forum or because of what they contributed to the FOF community.

Most of the board, honestly, might as well be faceless. I don't think he has it out for you, because he just doesn't know who the hell you are. Which is fine, there are how many hundred people here? If you haven't made some sort of mark, you're Member 847. And if it comes to his attention that you've broken a rule, there's no bias - he just knows you broke a rule, and you may be dealt with because of that. If it happens that you followed on the heels of a few other people getting boxed, it may be that the sentence is a little harsher, because, well, you either didn't learn from the prior incidents or chose to make a point of ignoring them to act out anyway.

Then there are a few known troublemakers. Good luck to you if you work your way onto this list.

[molson]

Originally Posted by cmp

Yeah, this seems the most likely. There seems to be a mutual dislike and it shows.

When someone is boxed for bringing up a topic, that pretty much guarantees that there will be a bunch more posts on that topic. That's obvious. If Toddzilla is just ignored nobody is posting in this thread now. So what's the purpose of the boxing? It's the weird mutual dislike (maybe not of Toddzilla personally, but of the FOFC off-topic posters generally outside of the core respected posters.)

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by molson

When someone is boxed for bringing up a topic, that pretty much guarantees that there will be a bunch more posts on that topic. That's obvious. If Toddzilla is just ignored nobody is posting in this thread now. So what's the purpose of the boxing? It's the weird mutual dislike.

Did you get a chance to read what Todd wrote before Ben deleted it with a snarky comment?

[molson]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Did you get a chance to read what Todd wrote before Ben deleted it with a snarky comment?

No, I didn't, I assumed from context that it was some kind of complaining about photos or modding.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

And yet no mention of the actual LEGITMATE issue Todd set out. Funny, that.

There's a pic RECENTLY posted in the child molesters thread that's still there and no boxing/bannings occurred. Someone on here was boxed for posting a pic of a FULLY CLOTHED female. Ben posted on the molesters thread, so you know he saw the pic.

Ben has already given his reasoning why this thread has pics pulled versus others. If it is merely for the hot chick factor, it is gone. Is it consistent within this thread? Well, no. But at least people shouldn't be surprised when something is pulled.

[britrock88]

Trying to put things back on track...

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

And yet no mention of the actual LEGITMATE issue Todd set out. Funny, that.

There's a pic RECENTLY posted in the child molesters thread that's still there and no boxing/bannings occurred. Someone on here was boxed for posting a pic of a FULLY CLOTHED female. Ben posted on the molesters thread, so you know he saw the pic.

Where is the pic? I'm not seeing it on the last page. And was the pic reported? (wait...do you mean the one from October? - edit: which I just httpx'd out)

[molson]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Ben has already given his reasoning why this thread has pics pulled versus others. If it is merely for the hot chick factor, it is gone. Is it consistent within this thread? Well, no. But at least people shouldn't be surprised when something is pulled.

Ya, I think what he's made clear is that if you're doing it as some kind of statement, you're getting boxed. (unless you're Subby). If you go just a little over the line and a judgment call is made, the photo is deleted but you probably won't get boxed.

Which is pretty much the definition of a personal conflict issue. The photos themselves aren't the big no-no, the intent in posting them and/or your previous relationship with the mods is. The boxings are personal in that way, they're not aimed at keeping anyone safe at work, or making the board better. It's just mutual dislike and personality conflicts. Which is what makes the board feel like a sad, doomed place.

[Ben E Lou]

Eh, there are very few people I just fundamentally dislike, and none of them (to my knowledge) post at FOFC. As is the case with the names of my players in my MP leagues, I don't pay terribly close attention to screen names at forums until the person either does something that impresses me or strikes me as being a particular jerk. There are six people in the box put there by me. Three of them (CrimsonFox, gkb, and Toddzilla,) were completely blank slates to me prior to their suspensions. (To be perfectly honest, gkb still is. All I put under the suspension reason is "inappropriate image." I have no idea what image he posted and don't recall any other interaction with him.) I had neither a positive nor negative impression of any of those three prior to their boxings, and if I weren't typing their names now, would probably forget that they'd ever been boxed if they behaved for the next few months. A fourth, sidthelid, is a long-time troll in the FOF2K7 forum. My mistake there was not giving him a long-term suspension before I finally did. I gave him way too many chances, even allowing him to re-invent himself in the eyes of the community with a new user name and a promise to be good. My fault there for thinking he'd change. I know the fifth, MacroGuru, because he is in the WOOF. I can't recall any conflict he has had with anyone there. I consider him to be a good owner. When we rebooted the league, I'm pretty sure he was on the "A" list of owners invited to return in the first go-around, even though there had been other owners of the franchise he was running. The sixth is Chubby. Yes, I've had conflict with Chubby before. I don't harbor any particular ill will toward him but because I'm aware that he has a grudge against me, I typically just try to avoid interacting with him unless he strikes first. But as cuervo has stated, the fact is that he can't stand me and for a very long time has gone out of his way to try to antagonize me.

That said, of *course* someone who for whatever reason has made a positive impression in the past is likely going to get more benefit of the doubt than a blank slate. I try not to let it happen, but I'm human, and that's just human nature. *shurg*

[Logan]

Ben, you should read this post again.

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Or you can like Ben and just disagree with the overall modding here. I think Ben's an awesome guy and generally done a great job with FOFC. I love the guy and his patriotic undies. If I had to pick someone to turn it over to again, I'd again pick Ben. No hesitation whatsoever.

But...

...I get the feeling that he's where I was a few years ago - frustrated with the board and everything that goes along with it - and maybe it's time for him to let go for a while. It's hard to let something go that you've invested so much time and effort into. Lord, do I know. But sometimes you have to set something free for the betterment of both sides and I believe that may be the case in this instance. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

You're on record as not liking this board. So why keep control of it? I legitimately don't understand that and many others question this as well.

[britrock88]

Ooh, top of the page.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Or you can like Ben and just disagree with the overall modding here. I think Ben's an awesome guy and generally done a great job with FOFC. I love the guy and his patriotic undies. If I had to pick someone to turn it over to again, I'd again pick Ben. No hesitation whatsoever.

But...

...I get the feeling that he's where I was a few years ago - frustrated with the board and everything that goes along with it - and maybe it's time for him to let go for a while. It's hard to let something go that you've invested so much time and effort into. Lord, do I know. But sometimes you have to set something free for the betterment of both sides and I believe that may be the case in this instance. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

100% transparency:

I told some folks a very short time ago (either this week or last, not sure exactly when,) that I would leave FOF MP and FOFC for good probably this fall if there was no white smoke from Ann Arbor by then. And then Jim announced this week that there would be a new FOF. Go figure. (I have no idea if my comments got back to him, but I seriously doubt it. Just a crazy coincidence.) Anyway, that announcement has very much re-invigorated my interest in both FOFC and FOF MP. I even posted in a couple of OT threads the last few days.