Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!!

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hmmm, nm, looks like we'll get to vote out either Pass or Jets tomorrow. Any chance that the wolves accomplish some sort of victory for offing the collector and that's why they made this play?

So you think Pass, a wolf, posed as the Arcane Collector because he knew the real one could be tempted to come out and say it (He got me, then ). Then they could knock me out, knowing I was the real AC.

If that was your plan Pass....well played.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

So you think Pass, a wolf, posed as the Arcane Collector because he knew the real one could be tempted to come out and say it (He got me, then ). Then they could knock me out, knowing I was the real AC.

If that was your plan Pass....well played.

Jets, my guess is if you are the Arcane Collector, you made the right play. The only other thing you could have done tomorrow is put a quick and obvious vote on him but that would basically out you to Pass but not to the village. I'll be curious to see how this plays out.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I know my play was badly off last game but looking at how strongly Pass has come on in the last day and a half, I strongly, strongly feel like he is likely the fake reveal, although I'm still not sure for what purpose (and this does concern me). Tomorrow, barring something odd, I'll be putting my vote there.

Exactly why he pinged my wolfdar.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

(laid out my schedule so I'm not UTR) :-)

Thanks PB

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

Thanks PB

NP, wasn't trying to be a big smartass either, so I hope you didn't take it as such. I know I got caught up with Political Machine (had never played it before and am really enjoying it) and so I kind of allowed myself to get lost in the shuffle.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

NP, wasn't trying to be a big smartass either, so I hope you didn't take it as such. I know I got caught up with Political Machine (had never played it before and am really enjoying it) and so I kind of allowed myself to get lost in the shuffle.

Is there a demo out do you know?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Is there a demo out do you know?

No demo, so I bought it outright for the $20 and am really, really impressed. It's fun, challenging, and interesting. My wife is a teacher also and she might use it for her government class next year.

[Passacaglia]

Blah...I hate it when I refresh, and don't realize that I was at the end of the page, and people are posting on the next page.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

No demo, so I bought it outright for the $20 and am really, really impressed. It's fun, challenging, and interesting. My wife is a teacher also and she might use it for her government class next year.

You should let barkeep know. He usually is really into that type of game.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You should let barkeep know. He usually is really into that type of game.

I thought about it but he already had commented in the thread up in Off-Topic. That's actually how I found it.

[PurdueBrad]

Didn't mean to thread hijack either guys, sorry!

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You should let barkeep know. He usually is really into that type of game.

Me too but I vaguely remember not being too happy with the first one so I really want to demo this one as people say it's very similar. I can't remember what I didn't like about it though.

For some reason I was thinking it was real time like the corporate machine but this one is turn based.

[Passacaglia]

What I don't get is why the wolves would want to counter my almost meaningless reveal. I must be really on to them, if they're willing to do a 1-for-1 trade to get rid of me. Or maybe there's more wolves then we know.

[PurdueBrad]

Now, one big question, what does the book do? My fear is that maybe it can keep Pass from being lynched or dying or something? Jets' role might be important here if he has to steal the book from Pass so we can lynch him. I know it is the book of the dead, just wondering what powers it might provide in this game that both sides have a player that is after it.

[PurdueBrad]

My guesses on the possible powers of the book:

*Summon Ctulu (not sure who/what that would do, but throwing that out there)
*Protect in the case of a lynch or a night kill
*Allow for conversions

[Passacaglia]

Jets, weren't you in the thread at the time I revealed that I was the Arcane Collector?

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Now, one big question, what does the book do? My fear is that maybe it can keep Pass from being lynched or dying or something? Jets' role might be important here if he has to steal the book from Pass so we can lynch him. I know it is the book of the dead, just wondering what powers it might provide in this game that both sides have a player that is after it.

The book does nothing for me. It's just my goal.

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Jets, weren't you in the thread at the time I revealed that I was the Arcane Collector?

I leave my browser open all day, so technically yes but I was playing Rome: Total War.

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

The book does nothing for me. It's just my goal.

Edit: I don't know of the book doing anything for me.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Now, one big question, what does the book do? My fear is that maybe it can keep Pass from being lynched or dying or something? Jets' role might be important here if he has to steal the book from Pass so we can lynch him. I know it is the book of the dead, just wondering what powers it might provide in this game that both sides have a player that is after it.

Trust me, I don't have the book. Like I said, I'm looking for it.

Speaking of trust, look back at my posts in the Alan/Telle run-off. Alan was trying to muck stuff up, but you can see that I was interested in getting to the bottom of it all, and finding the book.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Now, one big question, what does the book do? My fear is that maybe it can keep Pass from being lynched or dying or something? Jets' role might be important here if he has to steal the book from Pass so we can lynch him. I know it is the book of the dead, just wondering what powers it might provide in this game that both sides have a player that is after it.

That'd be too powerful a book unless it only works once in which case Pass is doomed either way. Still, could be. The book is very powerful.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

My guesses on the possible powers of the book:

*Summon Ctulu (not sure who/what that would do, but throwing that out there)
*Protect in the case of a lynch or a night kill
*Allow for conversions

Mrs Schmidty leads us to believe it's at least the last one.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

I leave my browser open all day, so technically yes but I was playing Rome: Total War.

I think if you leave the browser open, but you don't click around, the board figures out you're gone after a while. I don't know how long that takes -- it's probably that you had just left, but weren't considered 'gone' as far as the board was concerned.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Axxon

That'd be too powerful a book unless it only works once in which case Pass is doomed either way. Still, could be. The book is very powerful.

I'll quickly, leaving in a minute, try to see if I can get any clues from that wiki-thing that people were using for Lovecraft.

[Passacaglia]

Man. When this is over, I'll be expecting apologies from all of you!

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think if you leave the browser open, but you don't click around, the board figures out you're gone after a while. I don't know how long that takes -- it's probably that you had just left, but weren't considered 'gone' as far as the board was concerned.

Maybe. Why does it matter? Whether I was around or not, I saw today that you said you were the arcane collector. Being a new player, I was somewhat dumbfounded but I eventually figured that I think the only reason you would lie is if you were a wolf. If the wolves get a reward of some kind for killing me, then I screwed up but if not, your a wolf trying to gain trust.

[PurdueBrad]

Here's a link to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon

There was discussion of summoning or perhaps even bringing back the dead, although that wouldn't be helpful unless we weren't informed that somebody was brought back (maybe something to keep an eye on as well).

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

Maybe. Why does it matter? Whether I was around or not, I saw today that you said you were the arcane collector. Being a new player, I was somewhat dumbfounded but I eventually figured that I think the only reason you would lie is if you were a wolf. If the wolves get a reward of some kind for killing me, then I screwed up but if not, your a wolf trying to gain trust.

It doesn't matter. If you had seen it back then, and waited until now to say something, it might look like you were a wolf consulting with other wolves. But from what I remember, you left shortly after, and I don't remember seeing you back until you spoke up about this.

[PurdueBrad]

Actually, looking at the player list, we need to be careful. Somebody (Pass I believe) is trying to narrow down roles to find the bearer of the necronomicon. If you have it, do NOT reveal. IF the wolves get the book, I think we have a problem.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Here's a link to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon

There was discussion of summoning or perhaps even bringing back the dead, although that wouldn't be helpful unless we weren't informed that somebody was brought back (maybe something to keep an eye on as well).

I just skimmed it, but I don't see either mine or Jets's name mentioned there. Thanks for nothing!

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I just skimmed it, but I don't see either mine or Jets's name mentioned there. Thanks for nothing!

Hehe, I guess I could try to edit them in if you would like!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Actually, looking at the player list, we need to be careful. Somebody (Pass I believe) is trying to narrow down roles to find the bearer of the necronomicon. If you have it, do NOT reveal. IF the wolves get the book, I think we have a problem.

Wait...so now you DO think I'm the Arcane Collector?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Wait...so now you DO think I'm the Arcane Collector?

No, I think the wolves want that book just as much as the Arcane Collector does.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Actually, looking at the player list, we need to be careful. Somebody (Pass I believe) is trying to narrow down roles to find the bearer of the necronomicon. If you have it, do NOT reveal. IF the wolves get the book, I think we have a problem.

Nope, I checked a few minutes ago. The kill list verified Telle was the Bearer.

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It doesn't matter. If you had seen it back then, and waited until now to say something, it might look like you were a wolf consulting with other wolves. But from what I remember, you left shortly after, and I don't remember seeing you back until you spoke up about this.

I definitely waited, only because I was trying to figure out why the hell you would lie about it (And am trying to conquer Europe ). I didn't think about Wolves killing me if they knew I was the AC, so if that's why you are lying, I made a mistake.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Nope, I checked a few minutes ago. The kill list verified Telle was the Bearer.

That I missed, thanks Axxon. I'm out for awhile but I think Pass is the place to look for a wolf.

[Racer]

So umm, I 'm guessing the bodyguard should protect Jets tonight?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

And am trying to conquer Europe

Well, you conquer Europe, I'll become the U.S. President and we'll solve all the world's problems (although I am a Steelers fan).

Anyway, I'm out till late.

[Axxon]

The wolves have the book now, we know that, either that or there's no role for the book anymore. Why would Pass reveal if he gained a better role if he got the book? There was no point in revealing. No one at that point was pointing a finger at him.

[Racer]

Wait a minute. If the Bearer of the Necronomicon is protected tonight by the bodyguard, is it possible for the wolves to steal it from that person?

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Axxon

The wolves have the book now, we know that, either that or there's no role for the book anymore. Why would Pass reveal if he gained a better role if he got the book? There was no point in revealing. No one at that point was pointing a finger at him.

He said he "wanted to make things interesting." There definitely was no point to reveal...he definitely wanted to. I really don't know why but it still doesn't make much sense to me.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Racer

Wait a minute. If the Bearer of the Necronomicon is protected tonight by the bodyguard, is it possible for the wolves to steal it from that person?

The bodyguard would have to protect the dead Telle. Schmidty confirmed she was the Bearer of the Necronomicon.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Well, you conquer Europe, I'll become the U.S. President and we'll solve all the world's problems (although I am a Steelers fan).

Anyway, I'm out till late.

Well, you guys can have the US and Europe -- I'll focus on Oceania and South America. Those are easier to defend anyway, since they have less border countries.

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Well, you guys can have the US and Europe -- I'll focus on Oceania and South America. Those are easier to defend anyway, since they have less border countries.

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

1. claphamsa - Lunched Day 2 (Mathematics Major)
2. hoops - Murdered Night 3 (Psychic)
3. The Jackal - Murdered Night 1 (Pre-Med Student)
4. PurdueBrad
5. Telle - Killed by henry296 Day 4 (Former Bearer of the Necronomicon/ Order of R'lyeh Convert)
6. mccollins - Lynched Day 1 (Student of English Literature)
7. path
8. KWhit - Murdered Night 4 (Manipulator)
9. JetsIn06
10. Chief Rum
11. RendeR
12. Eaglefan - Lynched Day 3 (Order of R'lyeh)
13. Axxon
14. LoneStarGirl
15. Racer
16. henry296 Sacrificed himself Day 4 (Rageaholic)
17. AlanT - Lyched Day 4 (Order of R'lyeh)
18. Pass
19. oliegirl
20. Mrs. Schmidty

This says Telle is the FORMER bearer. That means someone else has it now.

[Passacaglia]

Good call on Telle being the Bearer of the Necronomicon -- I hadn't noticed that. Maybe that role made it so that when attacked, she converted, instead of died? And now the wolves have the book? Then hopefully lynching LSG destroys it -- unless she passes it to someone else?

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

This says Telle is the FORMER bearer. That means someone else has it now.

Right. Which is why I said that the wolves have it now.

Unless the Arcane Collector already stole it back.

[Passacaglia]

Anyway, who's the one who said that if Telle is the Bearer of the Necronomicon, we need to kill her?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

He said he "wanted to make things interesting." There definitely was no point to reveal...he definitely wanted to. I really don't know why but it still doesn't make much sense to me.

At least I accomplished that much. Although, I guess it's probably more true to say that you were the one that made things interesting. No one seemed to care whether or not I was the Arcane Collector until you showed up.

[Passacaglia]

Where's olie at? She should know that I'm usually pretty forthright about this stuff, after last time.