Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally?

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

FYI for Mizzou fans. The news about Texas and A&M considering the Big Ten is good news for Mizzou. IF Texas and A&M go to the Big Ten (which isn't a given at this point), the other three teams will be Nebraska, Mizzou, and Notre Dame.

There's a reason that Deaton has talked with Texas and it has nothing to do with desperation.

So MBBF, do you actually believe Texas is going to want to bring MU with them to the Big Ten? Per Chip Brown's posts, it doesn't sound like Texas is a big fan of Missouri at this time. So why would Texas bring MU with them to the Big Ten?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

So MBBF, do you actually believe Texas is going to want to bring MU with them to the Big Ten? Per Chip Brown's posts, it doesn't sound like Texas is a big fan of Missouri at this time. So why would Texas bring MU with them to the Big Ten?

Yeah, especially since you stated yesterday that your AD was being patently insincere in his respect for DeLoss Dodds. Why trust someone like that?

[MrBug708]

KCTV5.com: Big 12 officials are saying decisions on which Big 12 schools take Big Ten invites could be finalized by the end of day Thursday

Uh oh, today's thursday and it's the end of the day in the east...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Yeah, especially since you stated yesterday that your AD was being patently insincere in his respect for DeLoss Dodds. Why trust someone like that?

There's dogs playing with cats right now. Texas is being considered because Notre Dame wants them. Nebraska is the one who wants Mizzou. We'll just have to see who ends up pulling the strings.

[digamma]

Texas "is being considered."

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by digamma

Texas "is being considered."

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha.

What's inaccurate about that? They've asked for admission and are currently talking with the conference.

[MrBug708]

The second immediately following Texas asks to be in the Big-11 will contain a simple word of "Really?"

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by cartman

So you are saying that once they get a ton of money, they are going to take a pass at making even more money?

Why has everyone been ok with the BCS over a playoff in the past when all figures show a playoff would make more money? I dont get it, but for whatever reason college presidents have already done what your asking me.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

The second immediately following Texas asks to be in the Big-11 will contain a simple word of "Really?"

Well it depends what Texas asks for in return, because the Big 10 is not taking 6 teams like the Pac 10 was willing to do for them. Dont kid yourself here, i can think of a lot of things to be talked over before the two sides agreed to it.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

What's inaccurate about that?

You answered your own question:

They've asked for admission

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

8 leagues, sounds perfect for a 8 team playoff

I have mixed feelings on a playoff, but if you went there - I'd say 4 leagues, 8 divisions seems perfect for an 8 team playoff.

[MrBug708]

Im pretty sure the Big-10 and Notre Dame would take all three Texas schools if that was the deal laid out

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Why has everyone been ok with the BCS over a playoff in the past when all figures show a playoff would make more money? I dont get it, but for whatever reason college presidents have already done what your asking me.

If you believe that article linked earlier in the thread, Beebe was the lone holdout from allowing a playoff to happen in 2007.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I have mixed feelings on a playoff, but if you went there - I'd say 4 leagues, 8 divisions seems perfect for an 8 team playoff.

Would kill the small conferences and make it hard to determine who wins the conferences

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Im pretty sure the Big-10 and Notre Dame would take all three Texas schools if that was the deal laid out

From the KCTV station article update.......

KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

If you believe that article linked earlier in the thread, Beebe was the lone holdout from allowing a playoff to happen in 2007.

Well the article said the Pac 10, Big 10, and Big 12 all said no if were thinking of the same article, the one about Delaney playing Beebe for a chump?

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's dogs playing with cats right now. Texas is being considered because Notre Dame wants them. Nebraska is the one who wants Mizzou. We'll just have to see who ends up pulling the strings.

Why would Nebraska want Missouri in the Big Ten? Are there ties that I'm not seeing? If Nebraska wants a fellow Big 12 team in the Big Ten then there's a more obvious choice and I highly doubt that even happens.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Would kill the small conferences and make it hard to determine who wins the conferences

And?

A) If we run through this scenario, I think they'd see killing the small conferences as a GOOD thing.
B) You could either have the conf championship games be round 1 or you could use those games for seeding.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

From the KCTV station article update.......

People don't actual believe that. The whole point of offering to take TTU along with TAMU and UT was so that they would want to do it. Texas supposedly WANTS to take TTU, not leave them behind. That's why people dont take that report outta KC with much more then a grain of salt. The PAC-10 doesnt want TTU but will take it to get Texas. Texas didn't care about Baylor because it's a private school. Texas Tech isn't in that same situation. The PAC-10 would rather have Utah over TTU, but agreed to TTU because that's what Texas wanted.

They aren't trying to ditch TTU

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

Why would Nebraska want Missouri in the Big Ten? Are there ties that I'm not seeing? If Nebraska wants a fellow Big 12 team in the Big Ten then there's a more obvious choice and I highly doubt that even happens.

Well NU people say Osborne is pulling that string, and it has to do with Big 8 ties and what is "right"

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

People don't actual believe that. The whole point of offering to take TTU along with TAMU and UT was so that they would want to do it. Texas supposedly WANTS to take TTU, not leave them behind. That's why people dont take that report outta KC with much more then a grain of salt. The PAC-10 doesnt want TTU but will take it to get Texas. Texas didn't care about Baylor because it's a private school. Texas Tech isn't in that same situation. The PAC-10 would rather have Utah over TTU, but agreed to TTU because that's what Texas wanted.

They aren't trying to ditch TTU

They are not trying to ditch them, but the Big 10 is a better offer. I dont think anyone is arguing that point. So you have to weigh the options, stick with your friends or do whats best for you

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well NU people say Osborne is pulling that string, and it has to do with Big 8 ties and what is "right"

Yeah, but you see why I suggest there's a program with much closer ties to Osborne in the Big 12 right? That's why I don't buy the Nebraska lobbying for Missouri idea.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

They are not trying to ditch them, but the Big 10 is a better offer. I dont think anyone is arguing that point. So you have to weigh the options, stick with your friends or do whats best for you

Im don't think that is a decision Texas can make on its own.

btw - Chip is saying he is breaking another story 6-620 CDT.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

btw - Chip is saying Texas is breaking another story 6-620 CDT.

Fixed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well NU people say Osborne is pulling that string, and it has to do with Big 8 ties and what is "right"

Didn't I read somewhere last night that the decision to go to the B10 was made elsewhere & Osborn was basically notified of the decision?

If I didn't dream that, could letting him influence who they lobby for might be a bone thrown his way?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Fixed.

I take that as you know something bad is about to happen to something you believe?

[MJ4H]

Apparently the SEC told Texas they could form their own TV network and that perked Texas's interest. That was in the A&M+Texas meeting this morning, which had the SEC video-conferenced in on.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I take that as you know something bad is about to happen to something you believe?

Or that UT has their hand up his ass and is just using him as a PR feed. He's getting all his 'stories' from one spot.

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Didn't I read somewhere last night that the decision to go to the B10 was made elsewhere & Osborn was basically notified of the decision?

If I didn't dream that, could letting him influence who they lobby for might be a bone thrown his way?

There is a rumor that Osborn started backing away from the idea of leaving the Big 12, but nobody knows if that's true or not.

[MrBug708]

It really makes no difference, his tweets have usually been spot on.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

Yeah, but you see why I suggest there's a program with much closer ties to Osborne in the Big 12 right? That's why I don't buy the Nebraska lobbying for Missouri idea.

Ya, but Mizzou was already a prospect for expansion. The big 10 isnt going to add someone just because Osborne wants them too, their in a much stronger position then the Pac 10. So all of the lobbying for who gets spots is dealing with teams already under consideration for those spots. That is unlike the Pac 10 where all the lobbying is over who the Pac 10 is going to be forced to take by the teams it actually wants.

[wade moore]

Put me in the camp of someone not all that directly impacted (Tennessee fan, but moreso W&M in the FCS), but that has become fascinated by refreshing this thread and watching it play out.

Oh - and periodically pointing out MBBF's Hypocrisy and completely false claims that he'll swear is true, then prove false, and then he attempts to explain away.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

It really makes no difference, his tweets have usually been spot on.

Well to be fair what news did he break that has officially happened? He didnt break the CU story, and thats all that has been officially confirmed...He has a lot of eggs in the Pac 16 story, so we will see what happens and how quickly his story changes if the breeze blows the way it seems to be blowing right now.

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ya, but Mizzou was already a prospect for expansion. The big 10 isnt going to add someone just because Osborne wants them too, their in a much stronger position then the Pac 10. So all of the lobbying for who gets spots is dealing with teams already under consideration for those spots. That is unlike the Pac 10 where all the lobbying is over who the Pac 10 is going to be forced to take by the teams it actually wants.

Yeah, but why lobby for Missouri? I just don't think Osborn would care one way or another if Missouri joins the Big Ten with them. There are no ties that I'm aware of. Maybe there is a tie there that I'm not aware of and he is lobbying for Missouri. But I just don't buy that story right now.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

What's inaccurate about that? They've asked for admission and are currently talking with the conference.

It may be the formalities of the situation that would technically require Texas to "apply" for membership, but if that were the case (who knows if it is) there would be not a single second that it was "under consideration" by the Big Ten. The Big Ten isn't the one doing the considering.

[Blade6119]

And Mr. Bug, after calling out Mizzou for not keeping secrets(based off no facts whatsoever), shouldnt you make assumptions about Texas not being able to keep secrets when it is their rivals reporter with so much information?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

Yeah, but why lobby for Missouri? I just don't think Osborn would care one way or another if Missouri joins the Big Ten with them. There are no ties that I'm aware of. Maybe there is a tie there that I'm not aware of and he is lobbying for Missouri. But I just don't buy that story right now.

I dont really buy it either, but NU people are the ones pushing it and not mizzou people, so i cant say how credible the various people are.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

And Mr. Bug, after calling out Mizzou for not keeping secrets(based off no facts whatsoever), shouldnt you make assumptions about Texas not being able to keep secrets when it is their rivals reporter with so much information?

Huh? Which secrets is texas leaking?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The problem with Missouri is that it's decent in every category you can use to measure value, but always a distant second to someone else. Missouri is the plain girl you keep smiling at just in case while you ask others to the prom.

I think you're spot on. Texas Tech will get asked before Missouri because she's the sister of the most popular guy at school (Texas).

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Huh? Which secrets is texas leaking?

Everything Chip Brown has reported?

[MrBug708]

Apparently the TTU chancellor spoke with both presidents of UT and TAMU and they told him there was no deal to the big10

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Everything Chip Brown has reported?

I don't think anything has been much of a secret nor has Texas cared that its out?

[MJ4H]

Latest from CB:

There is no truth to reports that Texas and Texas A&M are considering the Big Ten. But A&M is still considering the SEC.

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech appear to be in lock step to the Pac-10 but will wait til next week to announce anything.

I'm still hoping for A&M. Would love to see something like VT, Clemson, FSU come with them.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I don't think anything has been much of a secret nor has Texas cared that its out?

I dont think anything that is out there from any school has really been a big secret, im just wondering what were these secrets mizzou leaked that led you to bag on their athletic department compared to schools like Texas where most of the news and breaking stories seem to be coming from...just seems hypocritical unless im missing some secrets the mizzou athletic department let slip, and if so please tell me because I would love to hear something from them.

[MrBug708]

If TAMU goes SEC the PAC should take kansas but will probably take Utah. TAMU is certainly being provincial

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Latest from CB:

There is no truth to reports that Texas and Texas A&M are considering the Big Ten. But A&M is still considering the SEC.

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech appear to be in lock step to the Pac-10 but will wait til next week to announce anything.

I'm still hoping for A&M. Would love to see something like VT, Clemson, FSU come with them.

Here's the link to the Dodds, errrr, Chip Brown article.

Orangebloods.com - A&M could throw off Big 12 six targeted by Pac-10

[Arles]

Latest rumor in the "conferences of our lives" soap opera is that this is the most likely scenario:
Texas, TTU, Utah and the OKlahoma schools to the Pac-16
A&M to the SEC
Nebraska to the Big Ten

This makes a lot of sense to the Pac-10 as you keep the "geographical rivalry" thing in tact with OK/OK St, UT/TT and CU/Utah. The ND thing is still up in the air, seems like they could go big east or big ten at this point (or stay independent).

To another point:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I have seen this discussed on the UofA boards and its a valid argument. I bet they each get one home game in california, one in the south and one in the north. The Zona schools get hosed with having to play both Ok and Texas

Arizona has around 25 kids from Texas and in the mid-30s from California. Stoops has a much bigger footprint in Texas from his OK days and adding Texas would probably help UofA's recruiting because players passed over by the long horns could now be guaranteed to play UT if they joined Arizona.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

If TAMU goes SEC the PAC should take kansas but will probably take Utah. TAMU is certainly being provincial

I bet that happens too. It's another TV market for them as Texas had pretty universal appeal in the state.

[Eaglesfan27]

It was good to get the good news of Colorado joining the Pac-10 today. Hopefully, Nebraska declares for the Big 10 tomorrow and all of the dominoes can fall into place for Texas, Oklahoma, etc joining the Pac-10.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

It was good to get the good news of Colorado joining the Pac-10 today. Hopefully, Nebraska declares for the Big 10 tomorrow and all of the dominoes can fall into place for Texas, Oklahoma, etc joining the Pac-10.

I'm not sure we'll hear much outside of Nebraska moving tomorrow.