09-04-2019, 05:55 PM | #18701 |
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Meanwhile, the top story on FoxNews.com is the Obamas' trademark dispute with an e-book publisher.
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09-04-2019, 06:26 PM | #18702 |
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Below is a list of construction projects that were cut from military installations to build the wall. The plan appears to be to take the money now and then go back to congress at some point in the future to ask for the money back so they can complete these projects.
Alex Moe on Twitter: "Just In: The military construction projects the Department of Defense is cutting from – totaling $3.6 billion – that will be diverted to the US-Mexico border… https://t.co/HEq0q4lzYB" |
09-04-2019, 06:38 PM | #18703 | |
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Well in the military 3.6 billion dollars is about the cost of a bowling alley.
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09-04-2019, 06:41 PM | #18704 | |
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That’s actually a pretty smart move politically. Take the money from a popular project, ask for it back later, and then blame the person voting against the popular thing. |
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09-04-2019, 07:04 PM | #18705 | |
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Definitely brilliant strategy.
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09-04-2019, 07:15 PM | #18706 | |
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It may end up backfiring. It will end up in front of the Supreme Court, which trump has stacked with pro-congressional powers justices, and may result in a clearer definition of the president's emergency powers over funding. |
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09-04-2019, 07:42 PM | #18707 | |
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I think that was true initially, but he has a history of making people bend to his "truth."
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09-04-2019, 08:03 PM | #18708 | |
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Good for him in getting a small win here. I know, I know, he could have gotten a lot more if he had been willing to deal (and he didn't get Mexico to pay for it) but we are where we are, so happy for some movement here. |
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09-04-2019, 08:28 PM | #18709 | |
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looking at where he started it is absolutely laughable to call this a win. |
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09-04-2019, 08:49 PM | #18710 |
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"We're gonna build half a wall, and the military is going to pay for it"
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09-04-2019, 09:02 PM | #18711 | |
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Liberals always did want less spending on the military, so win-win!
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09-04-2019, 09:09 PM | #18712 |
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But kneeling really was about disrespecting the military.
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09-04-2019, 09:29 PM | #18713 |
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09-04-2019, 09:37 PM | #18714 | |
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Except we'll never take money away from the development of things like that because it enriches the businesses that administration officials jump into. Instead it means no new barracks for soldiers, no new elementary schools for military children, along with other infrastructure projects being canceled. We're not taking away tanks and planes. We're taking desperately needed things away from soldiers and their families for a wall on the border that's effectiveness is at best questionable. |
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09-04-2019, 09:38 PM | #18715 |
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09-04-2019, 09:40 PM | #18716 | |
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You're certainly not going to get any argument from me there, but it does seem like we've shattered another pane of the looking glass when conservatives are willing to paint back-door cuts to defense spending as some kind of significant win for the Republican agenda.
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09-04-2019, 09:44 PM | #18717 |
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09-04-2019, 09:50 PM | #18718 | |
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I don't dispute many Trumpers (vs traditional Republicans) think this is a significant win. I'm thinking its a small win, baby steps in the right direction. I do wish he had focused more on the Wall in his first couple years vs trying to tear down Obamacare and tax cuts. Many presidents do tax cuts, only one would have built a Wall. |
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09-04-2019, 09:51 PM | #18719 | |
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Holy shit. Talk about hitting all the breitbart talking points. I thought it was about a biracial Christian, who leveraged his status to lift up a group that has been racially targeted, in an effort to raise awareness and question our ability to do a better job?
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09-04-2019, 09:51 PM | #18720 |
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09-04-2019, 09:54 PM | #18721 | |
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Nah, sticking to the rich, spoil athlete tag. I'd toss in wine sipping, west coast liberal elites in there somewhere also. |
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09-04-2019, 09:58 PM | #18722 | |
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Ahhh lets see what did dumbass do this week?
Oh yeah, he congratulated Poland on their great start in WW2, 80 years ago. When asked about FARC calling for the end of the peace deal in Columbia that ended the longest war in Latin America, he asked if it was Columbia they were asking about, then said that Columbia was doing great, except for Venezuela, and that we have great relations with Columbia. From the Post article; Quote:
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09-04-2019, 10:18 PM | #18723 |
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09-05-2019, 12:45 AM | #18724 |
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Military Benefits has become a real punchline.
its a fucking joke in todays military. |
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DOLA: Hell it was a fucking Joke in MY military 30 years ago....
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09-05-2019, 02:24 AM | #18726 |
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There's a disconnect there somewhere, and I'm curious where it is. Every single ex-military person I know has gotten lots of help from the military with their benefits, and I don't know a single one who isn't happy. I know this really isn't the case across the board, but the question I have is why is there the gap? Why are so many being treated well, and so many others not?
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09-05-2019, 05:59 AM | #18727 | |
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I think it depends on the categories of "ex-military" you are dealing with. A few simple ones. 1. Retirees vs Non-Retirees 2. Those who were in combat vs. those who were not in combat. 3. Those who have had access to those benefits vs. those who have not. That last one alone can drag you into a myriad of directions and includes benefits while the vet was in the military.
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09-05-2019, 08:46 AM | #18728 |
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Of all the insanity in this Presidency, the Alabama hurricane foolishness is certainly one of the more inane "controversies," but in another way, it truly captures who he is in a nutshell. If he'd just said "oops..got that wrong" or had said nothing else about it, it would have gone away in less than 12 hours. Instead, he apparently CANNOT let this go.
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09-05-2019, 08:53 AM | #18729 |
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This has gone beyond comical to being truly sad. Something is broken in this man.
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09-05-2019, 09:00 AM | #18730 |
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I agree, Ben.
It is the least consequential mistake possible. But watching his inability to let it go is like shining an X-ray into his diseased mind. I mean, there are actual American citizens still in the path of this thing, and you know that in the various briefings about it where they should be talking about Charleston and Wilmington and the like, he's taking up all of the time getting everyone to agree with him over and over that he was right about Alabama. |
09-05-2019, 09:41 AM | #18731 | |
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Some of the variables: When you served Which branch you served in Where you served How long you served If you were transitioning out of the Army pre-2006ish they were handing out VA ratings like candy. It was fairly common where I was at the time (San Antonio) for people to brag about the ridiculous rating they received for rather mundane issues. At that time it came down to knowing the system and a bit of luck. However, around 2006 they realized that because of Iraq and Afghanistan they were looking at paying a generation of soldiers a lifetime of VA benefits. Because of that, they started lowballing nearly everyone on their VA ratings. Some Army installations had great support systems to help you navigate the VA process and still get what you were entitled to. Others not so much. I transitioned from Fort Sam Houston in September of '06. I had 2 bulging and degenerative disks in my back, an MRI to prove it, and extensive documentation showing that this was something that would get worse over the course of my life rather than better. I met once with a person at the VA to help file my paperwork and received notification in the mail a few months later that my back was rated at 10% disability. That was it. An appeals process was never explained to me at any point. My wife transitioned out of the military 2 years ago and was assigned a person to help with her case throughout the process. She met with this person multiple times over the course of a month to make sure everything in her packet was as up to date and thorough as possible. She explained the process. She explained the appeal process, if it came to that. She also set her expectations. The Army has started to acknowledge the inconsistencies in the system. They're in the process of closing Physical Evaluation Boards with the plan of cutting it down to 2 locations where all packets will go. Here, Fort Lewis is one of those closing and has been notorious for low percentages. Someone my wife served with received a rating from PEB they weren't happy with, appealed, and they came back with a 0% rating. Those are rare, but are also the reason soldiers fear the appeals process and tend to take what they're given. So what it comes down to is not everyone has the same experience with benefits because not everyone has the same level of support as they transition out of the military and navigate that process. My experience is on the Army side and seeing my transition and comparing it to my wife's is interesting. Aside from what I mentioned above, she had a required week-long class to attend to help with the transition to civilian life. It covered available benefits, taught resume writing skills, and highlighted job fairs and veteran friendly corporations you can apply to. I received none of that. EDIT: My experience has obviously been Army. I do want to point out that a friend of mine was transitioning out of the Air Force a couple months after me in San Antonio. We worked the same job. Had cubicles next to each other. Since he was Air Force he went through the same process through Lackland AFB and came back with higher ratings despite no long-term or permanent issues and received a lot of the same support my wife received. Last edited by Atocep : 09-05-2019 at 09:47 AM. |
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09-05-2019, 04:49 PM | #18732 |
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We have to be pretty close to Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio saying the hurricane was a threat to Alabama.
edit: lol Counter terrorism adviser releases a statement saying the hurricane was indeed a threat to Alabama.
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Trump is the best at keeping people occupied with stupid crap.
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09-05-2019, 05:09 PM | #18734 | |
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I think this stuff hurts Trump. When he's a super villain, that can play to people's admiration for strength, but this ridiculous crap makes him look like a clown. Every time a voter decides Trump is a fraud, he's that much further from re-election.
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09-05-2019, 07:56 PM | #18735 |
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So it's looking more and more likely that Trump will need a pardon at some point.
If he loses in 2020 and the dems get their hands on his taxes, which I believe is inevitable, I actually believe he ends up indicted. https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...r-jones-2019-9 |
09-05-2019, 11:43 PM | #18736 | |
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This would require the Dems to have a spine. |
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09-06-2019, 05:19 AM | #18737 | |
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Don't buy it. His followers blame the media and totally believe him. If he said God actually drew on the map with a sharpie, they would believe him. |
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09-06-2019, 06:15 AM | #18738 | |
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If push came to shove, Trump leaves during the lame duck period in winter 2020 because he wouldn't want to talk to whoever beat him anyway and he can go to Mar-a- Lago. Pence then gives him a blanket pardon. |
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09-06-2019, 07:06 AM | #18739 | |
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Doesn't the IRS already have access to his taxes? Wouldn't they report any potential crimes? I think releasing his taxes will be embarrassing but I don't think there will be any criminal prosecutions.
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09-06-2019, 07:49 AM | #18740 |
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I just can't quite believe that the GOP really seems to want to run on cuts to Social Security and Medicare. This is one area where Trump is far more politically attuned than the other party leaders.
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They do have access to his returns but if there's no auditing then there's no discovery of crimes. House Democrats say whistleblower bolsters case for getting Trump's tax returns - POLITICO Quote:
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They've been auditing his returns for over 3 years now
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09-06-2019, 08:11 AM | #18743 | |
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On a macro level, hard to say who is "winning" (or losing less) in this trade dispute. Hope the October talks are productive ... and good the markets are somewhat optimistic for now. Definitely more unpredictability and swings to come in this grand game of chicken.
FWIW, Trump is up 31% vs Obama at 51% same time at presidency. https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/econo...cut/index.html Quote:
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09-06-2019, 08:13 AM | #18744 |
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09-06-2019, 01:55 PM | #18745 | |
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Pence is too ambitious for that, I think. I'm not saying there's no circumstance under which he'd ever pardon Trump, but a three-week lame duck Presidency? He wants to be President for realsies. I can't see him being bold enough to risk that to cover Trump's ass in that scenario. |
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09-06-2019, 02:23 PM | #18746 |
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Yeah, during a potential lame duck period, the only people cozying up to Trump are those that want pardons before he leaves.
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09-06-2019, 02:39 PM | #18747 |
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How many primaries will the GOP cancel so that Trump doesn't have to face any opposition? SC, NV, AZ and KS are all expected to cancel theirs this weekend.
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09-06-2019, 03:56 PM | #18748 |
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It's a gutless move by the GOP, sure. That said, there are SO many reasons that I'd love to see both major Parties just ditch the primary process altogether and go back to determining their nominees in smoke-filled rooms.
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If you make it weed filled rooms, I'd be for it.
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