The Trump Presidency – 2016

[Ben E Lou]

Ok...Reading a little more. This may be a simple case of piss-poor wording of a footnote.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Ok...Reading a little more. This may be a simple case of piss-poor wording of a footnote.

I hope so. If it is then it's another example of this administration not having someone qualified and capable of writing actual policy.

I'm guessing the intended target of this is US citizens and service members marrying local foreigners and having a child in that country that's automatically a US citizen. I'm sure the thought of that happening sends chills down Stephen Miller's spine.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Dola...


And what about adopting a child from outside the U.S.???

That's a good question. When we adopted we did all the paperwork at the consulate in China and when we landed on U.S. soil she became a citizen. There's nothing in this order specifically changing that, but it's clear the plan is to greatly limit immigration and citizenship.

[miami_fan]

TrumpÂ*officials sayÂ*children of some service members overseas will not get automatic citizenship | TheHill

USCIS issued a clarification to the rule later Wednesday, explaining that the new rule would only affect three categories of people: Children of non-U.S. citizens adopted by U.S. citizen government employees or service members; children of non-U.S. citizen government employees or service members who were naturalized after the child's birth; and children of U.S. citizens who do not meet residency requirements.

Thanks for the clarification. It is still BS. I guess this is the point that I am accused about not really caring about these families right? About THOSE people.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Why doesn't PR just stop having hurricanes?

Tell Florida to get the hell out of the way once in a while too while you're at it.

[QuikSand]

I'm just taking a pass, I'm exhausted trying to figure out WTF they're doing...

[QuikSand]

Uhhhhh...welcome to the board?

[Atocep]

5 years ago was a much simpler time.

Obama's Tan Suit Controversy Is Five Years Old

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Atocep

5 years ago was a much simpler time.

Obama's Tan Suit Controversy Is Five Years Old

What better tan suit or swinging bull nuts?


(At the 21-second mark)

Thank you for the support as we MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! pic.twitter.com/qKgwRMSgcf

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 28, 2019

[molson]

Originally Posted by Atocep

5 years ago was a much simpler time.

Obama's Tan Suit Controversy Is Five Years Old

There was also the time he put his feet up on the desk.

(Though on the other hand, there was some un-ironic outrage directed towards Kellyanne Conway sitting with her feet up on the oval office sofa once).

[RainMaker]

National debt is now 110% to GDP. Closing in on the largest ever which was during World War 2. And this is during a good economy. Should easily surpass it during a recession.

[NobodyHere]

"I'm not worried about the deficit -- it's big enough to take care of itself."

[JPhillips]

Trump is now tweeting images from his intelligence briefing.

But her emails...

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump is now tweeting images from his intelligence briefing.

But her emails...

So the President posted on twitter what is very likely highly classified IMINT to taunt another country.

It doesn't appear to be a satellite image either. Which makes this way worse than it seems on the surface and on the surface this looks pretty bad.

If anyone other than the President does this they probably get 10 years.

[RainMaker]

Yeah that's a drone image.

Actually looks like a KH11 was in the area at the time. A lot of their tech is kept quiet so it would be insane to let the world know what your satellites can do. They've only released images a few times in history of it and usually at a low resolution so that other countries don't know what it does.

[JPhillips]

WaPo is reporting that Bolton isn't being allowed to see the draft agreement with the Taliban. Best team ever.

[QuikSand]

For those among us who were (stupidly) wondering what the Trump strategy would be if the economy started to dip before the election:

Daniel Dale on Twitter: "The most notable thing to me about Trump's dishonesty this summer: immigration, usually by far his #1 subject of false claims, has been only #5. #1 has been the economy -- mostly trade-related claims. https://t.co/AUApkQ5r1q… https://t.co/8wcrHcEzRz"

Answer: Lie. (duh)

[miked]

Meanwhile in Boston:

“Straight people are an oppressed majority. We will fight for the right of straights everywhere to express pride in themselves without fear of judgement and hate. The day will come when straights will finally be included as equals among all of the other orientations.” – John Hugo, President of Super Happy Fun America

A straight pride parade to support the troops and defend the wall building. Oh, and to celebrate straight culture.

[Galaril]

The tariffs we have put on China goods is going to cost the average household $1k. What a fucking moron this guy is.
Tariffs will now cost American households $1,000 per year: J.P. Morgan

[QuikSand]

Listen, the power of lying to your own voter base and having them buy all of it is rather immense. This is merely a small example, but a powerful one. Trump can declare his trade war citing numbers that he clearly does not understand, impose ever-increasing tariffs that are paid by Americans, and then go to virtually everyone who support him and tell them 2+2=5. And they buy it.

When all your weaknesses are immediately and successfully dismissed as "fake news" and "media bias" and the like, then by definition you have no weaknesses.

Listen to the last week or two, Administration officials and media mouthpieces will say, with a straight face, that Trump does not lie and never has. What explanation can there possibly be? It's a deeply sinister and dangerous way to seize and retain power. And once he loses an election, why would they cease the operation then?

[molson]

When exactly did the parties swap platforms on free trade/tariffs/globalization?

[NobodyHere]

November 2016 apparently

[molson]

I don't know who hates the WTO more, Trump, 90's far-left protesters, or Sanders until he started running for president.

[AlexB]

Watching a Vietnam war documentary, there was an interesting line in a 1968 Nixon speech, which i tracked down to his Republican nomination acceptance speech

“... and when the president of the United States cannot travel abroad or to any major city at home without fear of a hostile demonstration, then it’s time for new leadership for the United States of America”

Ok, not the greatest person to deliver the message, but if even Nixon, from whom Trump stole much of his playbook, and with whom Trump may well share a legacy in history books of the future, recognises this...

At 2:24 if anyone’s interested
Richard Nixon Accepts the 1968 Republican Presidential Nomination - Highlights - YouTube

[AlexB]

Dola, the next thing that struck me: Nixon contacted a foreign power (in this case South Vietnam) to thwart the peace negotiations 3 days before the 1968 election, as the talks were giving the Dems a political boost for the elections.

The Dems deliberated whether to reveal this, but ultimately didn’t as they didn’t want to reveal how they knew, and it cost them.

Sounds familiar, using a foreign country to sabotage the opponent just days before an election...

[AlexB]

Next case of history repeating itself: The New York Times reported that Nixon had ordered the illegal bombing of Cambodia for weeks in 1969 (unknown to Congress and the public) - the government response was Fake News, and illegal wire taps placed on reporters and politicians to find the source of the leak.

[JPhillips]

If the Dems had the run of scandals from Nixon to Bush2, the GOP would bury them for a generation. Too bad the Dems can't even manage to investigate Trump.

[NobodyHere]

Trump hasn't been investigated? Then what the hell was Mueller doing all this time?

[JPhillips]

Dems.

[NobodyHere]

How bout that impeachment inquiry that Jerry Nadler is conducting?

[JPhillips]

lol

That's really making hay.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by AlexB

Dola, the next thing that struck me: Nixon contacted a foreign power (in this case South Vietnam) to thwart the peace negotiations 3 days before the 1968 election, as the talks were giving the Dems a political boost for the elections.

Odd how this doesn't get brought up as much as it should when talking history. Nixon committed treason.

[Dreghorn2]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Odd how this doesn't get brought up as much as it should when talking history. Nixon committed treason.

Yes he did and Johnson found out about it.

For the sake of the country (his point of view) he didn't expose it.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Actually looks like a KH11 was in the area at the time. A lot of their tech is kept quiet so it would be insane to let the world know what your satellites can do. They've only released images a few times in history of it and usually at a low resolution so that other countries don't know what it does.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...tellite-2019-9

Pretty much confirmed. I wonder how many investigations this would have spawned from Republicans if Clinton was President and did this?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Atocep

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...tellite-2019-9

Michael Thompson, a Perdue University graduate student studying astrodynamics and spacecraft navigation

C'mon, Business Insider!

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Atocep

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...tellite-2019-9

Pretty much confirmed. I wonder how many investigations this would have spawned from Republicans if Clinton was President and did this?

I have a friend I caught up with yesterday in the intelligence community. He said that they all know the president has the right to declassify whatever he wants, so there is nothing technically illegal in what he did. Yet, he can't see how even the President was allowed to have a phone near something with this level of classification. Also, from his perspective, most of the people he works with have been long time Republicans and they severely dislike and distrust Trump.

[thesloppy]

https://www.businessinsider.com/spie...n-asset-2019-8

Business Insider laying down the smack recently.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I have a friend I caught up with yesterday in the intelligence community. He said that they all know the president has the right to declassify whatever he wants, so there is nothing technically illegal in what he did. Yet, he can't see how even the President was allowed to have a phone near something with this level of classification. Also, from his perspective, most of the people he works with have been long time Republicans and they severely dislike and distrust Trump.

I worked intel for nearly a decade in the Army. I prepared and gave briefs at a much lower level than the White House at one point. Yes, technically Trump didn't do anything wrong, but but being able to collect good intel is all about making your enemies guess your capabilities as much as possible. I'm sure Russia and China knew we had incredible satellite capabilities, but it's unlikely they knew just how accurate and detailed that imagery was. Now that they have an example it's a hell of a lot easier for them to plan ways to hide what they're doing.

It's difficult to overstate the damage that tweet will cause. I'm sure the intel folks around DC lost their minds over it. It's going to damage collection efforts for years.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's difficult to overstate the damage that tweet will cause. I'm sure the intel folks around DC lost their minds over it. It's going to damage collection efforts for years.

Everything he is doing is going to damage us as a nation for years, and I suspect the closer we get to election time and the worse the polls show him doing he is going to go scorched earth.

[RainMaker]

The President of the United States altered a National Hurricane Center map with a sharpie to falsely extend the official forecast toward Alabama so he didn't have to admit he was wrong in a tweet. https://t.co/i0CJcYV4yq pic.twitter.com/pR57IL6WfT

— Dennis Mersereau (@wxdam) September 4, 2019

[Thomkal]

I mean they didn't even do a good job of faking it-trying to make it look like Alabama was included-at least use a white marker.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I mean they didn't even do a good job of faking it-trying to make it look like Alabama was included-at least use a white marker.

It's a federal offense to falsify NWS forecasts. So I highly doubt they were willing to help him break the law.

[PilotMan]

The dumbest thing about all this is that who the fuck prints this shit out on a display board to brief? You can't tell me that they don't use power point and IPads for this, like every other person on the planet does? How dumb is this?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It's a federal offense to falsify NWS forecasts. So I highly doubt they were willing to help him break the law.

They could care less about breaking the law/ethics violations. They all expect to be pardoned by Trump.

[albionmoonlight]

Also, that forecast is from well before he tweeted about Alabama. By the time he made that tweet, the forecast had already turned.

Everyone shoots themselves in the foot sometimes. This WH has the special quality of reminding us about when it has shot itself in the foot because it has to let the Dear Leader remind us that he never shot himself in the foot.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Also, that forecast is from well before he tweeted about Alabama. By the time he made that tweet, the forecast had already turned.

Everyone shoots themselves in the foot sometimes. This WH has the special quality of reminding us about when it has shot itself in the foot because it has to let the Dear Leader remind us that he never shot himself in the foot.

I'll admit, I haven't really read the article, but is there a reason for having a white house brief with the original projected path of the hurricane rather than the updated one?

Meanwhile 20-25% of the country will believe Trump on this and see it as the media jumping to conclusions while desperate to show that he was wrong, but owning themselves in the process. Another 10-15% don't care that he was wrong because he's a Republican. The rest of the country rolls their eyes, laughs about the sharpie, and waits for the next controversy that would have sunk any other President.

EDIT: Imagining the reaction Obama would get for things Trump has done got old about 12,000 controversies ago, but imaging how the GOP would have ripped Obama for this is entertaining. "Obama is clearly working with demonic forces and attempting to redirect the path of the hurricane to maximize the damage to red states" would have been a fairly realistic reaction from the right.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I'll admit, I haven't really read the article, but is there a reason for having a white house brief with the original projected path of the hurricane rather than the updated one?

It was done because he was embarrassed about tweeting erroneous information a couple days ago.

[JPhillips]

It's a dominance play. He says something and sees who is willing to back him up. If asked, I bet at least 75% of the GOP electeds will support him or weasel out of the question in a way that can be taken for support.

If you think the hurricane would hit Alabama, you're in the club, if not, fuck you the next time you need something.

[thesloppy]

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It's a dominance play. He says something and sees who is willing to back him up. If asked, I bet at least 75% of the GOP electeds will support him or weasel out of the question in a way that can be taken for support.

If you think the hurricane would hit Alabama, you're in the club, if not, fuck you the next time you need something.

Eh I just think he repeated the wrong thing. A normal human would have just clarified that it was a mistake and made sure the proper information was out there. But he can't admit to ever making a mistake so we have to go through this whole weird charade.