Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Keep in mind I still have the power to smite, although it's probably too late after last night's DEBACLE.

Yeah, you may be right. This really stings, to go from thinking I would be cleared, to this.

So...are you saying this was a debacle for you, too?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, you may be right. This really stings, to go from thinking I would be cleared, to this.

So...are you saying this was a debacle for you, too?

It was actually a GREAT night for me. Went exactly the way I predicted.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

What debacle occured last night outside of hoops dying? You know the warlock, so if you could win with the humans you would have done it last night and ended this game

I repeat this

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

What debacle occured last night outside of hoops dying? You know the warlock, so if you could win with the humans you would have done it last night and ended this game

read what happened again

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I repeat this

Missed it the first time, thanks. Isn't hoopsguy dying a debacle enough? Or was that question directed at cronin?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

read what happened again

Hoops died, you stopped getting sacrifice...its thats the debacle, i feel better about it already

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Missed it the first time, thanks. Isn't hoopsguy dying a debacle enough? Or was that question directed at cronin?

It was at cronin who said a debacal went on last night...i see a normal night kill, not much more

[Passacaglia]

Well, I've got to get to work in a bit. I'll be back in the evening. For the record, I'm wavering between st.cronin, saldana, and king for my vote.

[Blade6119]

In case anyone missed it on the bottom of last page, i voted for Pass...making sure whoever starts reading on this page knows that

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

In case anyone missed it on the bottom of last page, i voted for Pass...making sure whoever starts reading on this page knows that

I hate when my post ends up on the bottom of the page!

Anyway, yeah, I saw it.

[dubb93]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we should steer clear of lynching King today and test out his "role." If what I expect to happen tonight doesn't happen then King will be my vote tomorrow.

[dubb93]

And with that being said, if Hoops really did scan Pass it may be a good idea to give Hoops a chance to clear him tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by dubb93

And with that being said, if Hoops really did scan Pass it may be a good idea to give Hoops a chance to clear him tomorrow.

HOOPS IS DEAD

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

HOOPS IS DEAD

But according to king's role, he can bring him back. Partly why I don't trust him -- I'd like to see that happen.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But according to king's role, he can bring him back. Partly why I don't trust him -- I'd like to see that happen.

DOHHH I forgot...SORRY DUBB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

HOOPS IS DEAD

Yea, but prehaps not for long if you believe King.

post 1714

Ok, I was waiting for the seer to share his info and I did not want to give out my role until after the night action.

I am the Oracle and I can bring one person back from the dead for one day. That person can not vote, but they can post freely. If Hoops had been killed last night I would have chosen to bring him back so that he could share.

The reason I slightly lied about my role was to see if the seer would start asking me questions and I figured hoops was the real seer since he was the most interested about my fake reveal.

Now it could be smart to lynch saldana tonight, protect king, and see if he comes through.

[Poli]

Vote saldana

By the way, I left the note for the elementals.

[dubb93]

I'm holding off my vote untill King comes in and decides to change his story again as I really believe his role doesn't exist, but if he comes and claims he'll bring back Hoops I'll give him a chance.

[dubb93]

Path has been lurking for a long time now without saying anything. What do we make of the no lynch yesterday?

While I feel it makes neither of them liars, I find it hard to believe the humans would have 2 secondary tie breakers of equal value. I think 1 of them has to be demon, which makes me feel we could be barking up the wrong tree here with pass/saldana/king.

[path12]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Path has been lurking for a long time now without saying anything. What do we make of the no lynch yesterday?

While I feel it makes neither of them liars, I find it hard to believe the humans would have 2 secondary tie breakers of equal value. I think 1 of them has to be demon, which makes me feel we could be barking up the wrong tree here with pass/saldana/king.

I'm actually just popping in and out instead of focusing on the giant stack of work I have in front of me.

As far as the no lynch last night goes, it's what I had suspected in my post right after the prior night action after realizing that the tie break was weighted instead of absolute.

I suppose it's possible that there could be a dual role with a common soldier, but I know that my description gave no other impression except what I've already stated before.

As for my vote at this point, I'm inclined to agree with you about the idea of seeing if King comes through and then see if Pass can be vouched for. If you really don't trust Taz or I, well so be it, but I think either Saldana or Cronin is more of a sure thing.

So for now:
VOTE SALDANA

[Poli]

Attention: Elementals

Smite a demon and I'll sacrifice whatever you desire.

[dubb93]

but I think either Saldana or Cronin is more of a sure thing.

I tend to believe Cronin is elemental, so as long as the sacrifices stop I don't worry about him anymore. I believe he is b/c of statements from Hoops, Ardent, as well as something I personally know. Saldana could very well be bad, he's probably a good bet, but if he comes up clean and King brings back Hoops I'll be looking at you two tomorrow.

VOTE SALDANA

If a human raised him, now would be a good time to speak up.

[path12]

[quote=dubb93]if he comes up clean and King brings back Hoops I'll be looking at you two tomorrow./QUOTE]

Fair enough, I'm sure we'll be looking at you and everyone else who hasn't been cleared 100% also in that instance.

[WVUFAN]

Not sold that elementals (if he is one) is our friends.


VOTE ST CRONIN

[Poli]

He's not. He's looking out for himself. However killing him doesn't ensure our victory.

[dubb93]

[quote=path12]

Originally Posted by dubb93

if he comes up clean and King brings back Hoops I'll be looking at you two tomorrow./QUOTE]

Fair enough, I'm sure we'll be looking at you and everyone else who hasn't been cleared 100% also in that instance.

If the seer can't clear you 100%, I don't know who can.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

He's not. He's looking out for himself. However killing him doesn't ensure our victory.

Seeing how we don't know how elementals win, I would disagree with you on that. Killing him ensures we're not killing a soldier, doesn't count against us, and makes him vulnerable.

If I could kill all the elementals, I would. I do not trust them at all, and believe they win if they weed out both the villagers and the demons.

[Poli]

You make me wonder who's side your on.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

That description does not seem to fit with a seer, but he was human. In my mind since he wasnt protected despite pass saying he would be pass has to go today

I can see some confusion, but it makes some sense with what he told us. I'm guessing he took the drugs, read the books, and looked into the mirror for the answer.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

You make me wonder who's side your on.

I'm a soldier, as I think I've proven.

One thing for certain -- I'm not on the elementals side. They need to die.

[path12]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If the seer can't clear you 100%, I don't know who can.

My mistake, I was looking at the list Blade had last page and not the last one Hoops did.

One other question though. You seemed to imply that if elementals didn't get a sacrifice they couldn't do anything. Why is that? I ask because Cronin didn't seem very perturbed about not getting a sacrifice last night.......

[Poli]

Didn't? Someone getting smited, as was suggested in my PM today, suggests differently.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

I'm a soldier, as I think I've proven.

One thing for certain -- I'm not on the elementals side. They need to die.

I find concern in your lack of wanting to kill the demons. Have you not read the victory conditions? Screw your head on.

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Didn't? Someone getting smited, as was suggested in my PM today, suggests differently.

OK, just think of me as the village idiot. So you're saying that Cronin smited Hoops. So then why was there only one death? Wouldn't the demons have targeted someone also?

[Poli]

I'm not saying that, path. The demons hit hoops. The smiting is to come, or at least has been threatened.

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'm not saying that, path. The demons hit hoops. The smiting is to come, or at least has been threatened.

Oh, OK. See what I mean about the village idiot?

[path12]

Dola, I'm still sort of confused by the idea dubb raised that he didn't think we needed to worry about the elementals as long as there is no sacrifice.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by path12

Dola, I'm still sort of confused by the idea dubb raised that he didn't think we needed to worry about the elementals as long as there is no sacrifice.

We need to worry for our lives, but I have a feeling with Ardent saying he heard the elementals power was growing and stopped the sacrifices that their victory condition lies within having a certain number of good sacrifices. If that is the case, we stop doing them and they can't win.

Of course, that is only my theory, it could be far from the case. And I have a bad feeling about WVUFan now.

[Poli]

Our victory relies on killing demons. That should be our goal. In that regard, I'm not worried about the elemental(s). Choose those that look guilty of being a demon instead.

Look at what hoops provided us.

Dubb, myself, and barkeep are clear by the seer. The three of us are most likely on the chopping block by the wolves.

Blade and WVU are somewhat cleared by their actions...though I worry about WVU now.

Yourself and Taz, if I'm not mistaken...common soldiers...I'm still concerned one of you may be pulling our leg. Too many chiefs, not enough indians.

Pass is a wild card, which I'm sure his wife likes to read. Hoops probably scanned him last night. I don't know.

King I would like to think is good because barkeep raised him.

Saldana isn't trusted at all by me at this point.

St. Cronin I'm not worried about at all.

In order, my hitlist:
Saldana
Path/Taz/Pass
Kingfc22
WVU

Trusted:
everyone else.

[Poli]

Err, I should have a "DON'T CARE' section...

St.Cronin

[path12]

One of the things I'm finding quite entertaining in this game is the fact that as soon as you think you're cleared you're really not....

[Poli]

There's just too many villagers, path.

[Poli]

My next prayer to the elementals:

Nanaananananaa Where's the Hood At...Where's the Hood...Hood at...

or

something by the New Kids on the Block.

What do you think?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

There's just too many villagers, path.

Yea, I just don't see 2 human's having the same damn exact role. I could see a demon seconday tie break, and a human secondary tie break tho.

[Poli]

I'm starting at saldana and working my way down.

[dubb93]

My new suspect list just to help some people out:

1. Saldana
2. Taz/Path
3. WVUFan--Just weird today, not making sense, there is a way to go about wanting to kill the elementals, the way he has is not one of them. If Cronin was hinting about a conversion at some point, I'm guessing this was it.
4. King

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

My next prayer to the elementals:

Nanaananananaa Where's the Hood At...Where's the Hood...Hood at...

or

something by the New Kids on the Block.

What do you think?

Give 'em Gary Glitter.

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

There's just too many villagers, path.

I agree, and don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me a bit to be a suspect - mainly because I've given you what I've got and there's nothing left to hide.

I also think I'm tending towards being one of those players who doesn't need to survive as long as my side wins.

[dubb93]

It should be noted that I saw king in here just minutes ago, he is now gone, and he never said one word about bringing back Hoops tomorrow.

UNVOTE SALDANA

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'm holding off my vote untill King comes in and decides to change his story again as I really believe his role doesn't exist, but if he comes and claims he'll bring back Hoops I'll give him a chance.

I've already stared at my crystal ball looking for the soul of Hoops. I've had a hard time "contacting" him since my power only works at night. He will be back tomorrow if I am able to survive the night.