Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally? - Page 37

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

Chip Brown just tweeted: "There's a Kansas City TV report saying Texas and A&M to the Big Ten. That would be news to those schools."

I think we should have known better once we saw "Kansas City TV report". At least we know where you know who gets his sources from now

Tech is a problem. Baylor can be overlooked, but Texas Tech can't. The PAC-10 wants Utah more then they want TTU, but they want Texas more then they want Utah so...

Passacaglia · 06-10-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vex

Rest in pieces, Big 12: OU, OSU move west seems imminent | NewsOK.com

Super 16, anyone? The move of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, along with four fellow Big 12 schools, to the Pac-10 Conference seems imminent after several media outlets reported that Nebraska will accept an invitation to join the Big Ten.

One high-placed OU source indicated to The Oklahoman that the Sooners were headed West.

"Load up on your sunscreen,” the source said, referring to the sunny climates of Pac-10 cities.

Poorly played IMO. Only a couple Pac Ten schools are barely south of Oklahoma, and the Pac Ten has 4 or so schools north of the Big 12's northernmost school. He shoulda gone with a Grapes of Wrath reference -- but then again, if Oklahoma was in the AAU they'd be headed to the Big Ten instead of the Pac Ten, so it's a bit of a Catch-22.

timmynausea · 06-10-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

He shoulda gone with a Grapes of Wrath reference -- but then again, if Oklahoma was in the AAU they'd be headed to the Big Ten instead of the Pac Ten, so it's a bit of a Catch-22.

Yeah, that's a good point. "The Okies are headed West again, and this time it's personal. The wrath of the Sooners is going to make Tom Joad look like Tom Jones." Something like that.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 03:54 PM

Kansas just fired their AD

the_meanstrosity · 06-10-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Kansas just fired their AD

Where did you hear that? I've heard that Perkins will resign at the end of next year. He was set to resign over the next few years anyway, but hopefully he can stick around until Kansas finds a conference. He's got a lot of connections in college athletics and they will be helpful if we want to find a home in a major conference.

albionmoonlight · 06-10-2010, 03:57 PM

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This stuff is definitely as addicting as baseball trade deadline, NFL draft, or MLB/NFL free agency talk/speculation.

I agree. And the D1 team of which I am the biggest fan, North Carolina, won't really be affected by any of this, except possibly the ACC could fall apart.

So, none of this affects the team about which I care, except possibly in a bad way. So I should not be paying any attention.

Except I've clicked on this thread like 10 times today.

Strange.

I. J. Reilly · 06-10-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Poorly played IMO. Only a couple Pac Ten schools are barely south of Oklahoma, and the Pac Ten has 4 or so schools north of the Big 12's northernmost school. He shoulda gone with a Grapes of Wrath reference -- but then again, if Oklahoma was in the AAU they'd be headed to the Big Ten instead of the Pac Ten, so it's a bit of a Catch-22.

Yeah, these guys might be in for a bit of a shock when they hit the Northwest in October

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

Where did you hear that? I've heard that Perkins will resign at the end of next year. He was set to resign over the next few years anyway, but hopefully he can stick around until Kansas finds a conference. He's got a lot of connections in college athletics and they will be helpful if we want to find a home in a major conference.

Unless im missing something I think Mr. Bug is wrong, im seeing the same information you are getting posted in mizzou circles:

Kansas Athletic Director Lew Perkins is set to resign from Kansas University effective with the end of the 2010-2011 school years, sources have told the Lawrence Journal-World and KUsports.com.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Kansas just fired their AD

Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. It's a nearly identical situation to what happened with Mangino. An internal investigation was completed early and cleared him, only to see him make the decision to 'resign' at the end of the year. There's some skeletons in the closet and this is their attempt to avoid explaining why they're there.

the_meanstrosity · 06-10-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. It's a nearly identical situation to what happened with Mangino. An internal investigation was completed early and cleared him, only to see him make the decision to 'resign' at the end of the year. There's some skeletons in the closet and this is their attempt to avoid explaining why they're there.

Mangino was never "cleared". He resigned amid the investigation. The investigation pretty much found him in the wrong and thus why he didn't get his complete payout that he was due when he resigned.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

Where did you hear that? I've heard that Perkins will resign at the end of next year. He was set to resign over the next few years anyway, but hopefully he can stick around until Kansas finds a conference. He's got a lot of connections in college athletics and they will be helpful if we want to find a home in a major conference.

JayhawkSlant.com - AD Lew Perkins has announced his retirement

I was being liberal with the use of fired

rowech · 06-10-2010, 04:10 PM

Texas and Texas A&M to Big 10...Oklahoma to SEC

Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten - Sports News Story - KCTV Kansas City

rowech · 06-10-2010, 04:11 PM

I get the feeling this is moving so fast behind the scenes...I'd love if somehow somebody could write a book about how all this is taking place.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Texas and Texas A&M to Big 10...Oklahoma to SEC

Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten - Sports News Story - KCTV Kansas City

Welcome to 30 minutes ago

the_meanstrosity · 06-10-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

JayhawkSlant.com - AD Lew Perkins has announced his retirement

I was being liberal with the use of fired

Ah. Without any inside information, but know Lew as I do I honestly believe it's an actual resignation. Lew has talked about retiring before and with the recent extortion and blackmail garbage you can tell they took a toll on him in his press conferences. I think he wants to stay around long enough to clean up the ticket office and find KU a conference thus leaving his successor with something.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2010, 04:14 PM

For someone completely unaware of the internal dealings of conferences - can someone quickly sum up for me what started all these dominoes falling? and what the shape of things is likely to be when the dust settles?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think we should have known better once we saw "Kansas City TV report". At least we know where you know who gets his sources from now

It doesn't take much to figure out where Dodds' hand is right now.

rowech · 06-10-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Welcome to 30 minutes ago

Situation is changing too damn fast!

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2010, 04:18 PM

FYI for Mizzou fans. The news about Texas and A&M considering the Big Ten is good news for Mizzou. IF Texas and A&M go to the Big Ten (which isn't a given at this point), the other three teams will be Nebraska, Mizzou, and Notre Dame.

There's a reason that Deaton has talked with Texas and it has nothing to do with desperation.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

FYI for Mizzou fans. The news about Texas and A&M considering the Big Ten is good news for Mizzou. IF Texas and A&M go to the Big Ten (which isn't a given at this point), the other three teams will be Nebraska, Mizzou, and Notre Dame.

There's a reason that Deaton has talked with Texas and it has nothing to do with desperation.

Wait, you believe that Kansas City report?

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

FYI for Mizzou fans. The news about Texas and A&M considering the Big Ten is good news for Mizzou. IF Texas and A&M go to the Big Ten, the other three teams will be Nebraska, Mizzou, and Notre Dame.

Well in all honesty, if the Big 10 got Tex and A&M, and I was them, I would then look east. So i dont know what to say...I think the NW poster's comments about the nebraska academics problem doesn't bode well for us over Rutgers who performed better in APR.

Van Pelt of ESPN is sayin on the radio A&M and VT to the SEC, so as always this is still all over the place

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:22 PM

I think the VT and TAMU rumor is a potential offer, not them actually leaving

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Wait, you believe that Kansas City report?

The Northwestern poster seems to be hinting at that...I think things are still a lot more up in the air then Chip Brown said they were.

The guys at CU who broke their expansion story say everything is sitting on the edge of a sword, that hard negotiations are taking place, and everything should fall into place this weekend.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2010, 04:23 PM

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Wait, you believe that Kansas City report?

Absolutely. It's a huge footprint that covers several major TV markets along with landing some schools that fall in line with the Big Ten's academic needs. Notre Dame wants to drag in Texas to make this deal a no-brainer.

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I get the feeling this is moving so fast behind the scenes...I'd love if somehow somebody could write a book about how all this is taking place.

Apparently the hooked in NW poster intends to, he says Paterno has had a far bigger hand in all of this then people know

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:24 PM

Nothing happens til tomorrow at the very least. TTU is confident that Texas and TAMU aren't leaving them alone, though I think they could care less if TAMU, as long as they have Texas. There is a news conference by TTU in a bit

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Absolutely. It's a huge footprint that covers several major TV markets along with landing some schools that fall in line with the Big Ten's academic needs. Notre Dame wants to drag in Texas to make this deal a no-brainer.

No surprise that you do. I wonder if that report came from Kansas, would you still have the same level of belief

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Nothing happens til tomorrow at the very least. TTU is confident that Texas and TAMU aren't leaving them alone, though I think they could care less if TAMU, as long as they have Texas. There is a news conference by TTU in a bit

From what I understand, it could take up to two weeks now that Notre Dame is in the poker game. They're laying out scenarios where they'll join and the Big Ten is looking to find one that will work.

timmynausea · 06-10-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

For someone completely unaware of the internal dealings of conferences - can someone quickly sum up for me what started all these dominoes falling? and what the shape of things is likely to be when the dust settles?

The success of the Big Ten Network basically changed the game. In the past, teams shuffled around based on BCS bids. Now access to big markets can lead to enormous amounts of money that make BCS money much less meaningful. (The Big Ten made about 7-10 times as much as the Big East in terms of TV revenue per team.) The Big Ten announced that they were considering expanding, and that pretty much set everything in motion.

The different conferences still seem to have slightly different views of exactly what is valuable in potential members, but it seems like 4 or 5 16 team conferences is the likely end game.

Solecismic · 06-10-2010, 04:30 PM

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For someone completely unaware of the internal dealings of conferences - can someone quickly sum up for me what started all these dominoes falling? and what the shape of things is likely to be when the dust settles?

In December, the Big Ten announced it wanted to add at least a 12th team, and perhaps explore the thought of a 14- or 16-school conference. There would be a 12-18-month timetable.

This made the Big XII realize there was no way the conference would remain intact if the Big Ten and one other conference went to 16 schools. So the Big XII schools have been exploring their options.

This month, those explorations have reached a flashpoint. Many schools are angry with Missouri for being very open to a Big Ten bid (though, to be fair, the courting is coming from everywhere but the people who actually lead the university).

The Pac Ten, realizing that there's a lucrative way to reach 16 (with Texas) or a risky way (without), this week have made noises that it would like to reach 16 first. Rumors abound, but it sounds like they are willing to take Oklahoma State and Texas Tech in order to secure Texas (and Oklahoma/Texas A&M). The Pac Ten accepted Colorado today.

The Big Ten is expected to welcome Nebraska's application tomorrow. Delany has indicated expansion could come in stages - meaning he wants Notre Dame, no matter how long it takes to convince the Irish. Other schools on the Big Ten radar include Missouri, Kansas, Rutgers, Pittsburgh and Maryland, though there's no real evidence whatsoever of which they prefer. Texas/Texas A&M pops up as a rumor from time to time as well, but it's likely that's just more rumor-mongering.

The SEC is rumbling. It's uncertain whether rumors of an imminent ACC raid have any validity. The indication is the SEC wants to strengthen its position in the southeast (presumably to better lock up places where there is the most athletic talent) rather than expand its footprint, like everyone else seems to want to do.

The Big XII is on life support. Baylor, Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State are contemplating life in a mid-major conference. Rather sadly. Kansas and Missouri have decent prospects. The others do not.

The Big East will die if the SEC raids the ACC. This might force Notre Dame to act.

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

No surprise that you do. I wonder if that report came from Kansas, would you still have the same level of belief

Well I cant speak for MBBF, but the station in KC is considered a joke in Mizzou circles, as it is the same station that frequently hosts Kietzman. Keitzman is the reporter who broke the big false story a month ago, and now is saying the entire Mizzou department has been nuked and mass suicides are happening left and right when every credible reporter of Mizzou says the people in charge are almost shockingly calm and quiet during all of this.

cartman · 06-10-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It doesn't take much to figure out where Dodds' hand is right now.

or much to figure out where your head is.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well I cant speak for MBBF, but the station in KC is considered a joke in Mizzou circles, as it is the same station that frequently hosts Kietzman. Keitzman is the reporter who broke the big false story a month ago, and now is saying the entire Mizzou department has been nuked and mass suicides are happening left and right when every credible reporter of Mizzou says the people in charge are almost shockingly calm and quiet during all of this.

Kietzmann is good at using half-truths to make a story. The story about UT/A&M is not from that station. It's from the sports head at KCTV.

the_meanstrosity · 06-10-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well I cant speak for MBBF, but the station in KC is considered a joke in Mizzou circles, as it is the same station that frequently hosts Kietzman. Keitzman is the reporter who broke the big false story a month ago, and now is saying the entire Mizzou department has been nuked and mass suicides are happening left and right when every credible reporter of Mizzou says the people in charge are almost shockingly calm and quiet during all of this.

Blade, don't you blaspheme MBBF's bud, Kietzman, lol.

Kietzman got clowned on air today by Robert Allen from OSU for his initial story. Allen didn't know the story's source was Kietzman and pretty much bashed the story. Kietzman told Allen he still stood by his story. You stay classy Kietzman!

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:36 PM

Good stuff Jim, but I bet that OSU, TTU only have invites to the PAC-10 that are contingent on Texas. If not, it's risky, but I bet they grab Utah, TCU, Oklahoma and one more? IDK in that instance. I think if they miss on Texas, they invite Utah and call it a day

the_meanstrosity · 06-10-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Kietzmann is good at using half-truths to make a story. The story about UT/A&M is not from that station. It's from the sports head at KCTV.

What?! Usually any time Kietzman has a story on KU and Lew Perkins you absolutely back Kietzman. What did you do with MBBF?!

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:38 PM

It's the new and improved Mizzou who might be supporting a MWC Missouri program!

mrsimperless · 06-10-2010, 04:38 PM

No mention yet of conference realignments' impact to TCY2. Please discuss.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2010, 04:39 PM

Pac 10 done at 11?

the_meanstrosity · 06-10-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

The Big XII is on life support. Baylor, Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State are contemplating life in a mid-major conference. Rather sadly. Kansas and Missouri have decent prospects. The others do not.

The Big East will die if the SEC raids the ACC. This might force Notre Dame to act.

There are rumors in Kansas that the athletic director is meeting with Big East officials. The athletic director is formerly of UConn so he's got a lot of connections there, but who knows if this is legit or not.

Solecismic · 06-10-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsimperless

No mention yet of conference realignments' impact to TCY2. Please discuss.

At some point, I'd like to discuss why there hasn't been a major release of either product in almost four years. But now is not the time, and the future remains uncertain (as it has been for years).

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:42 PM

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Pac 10 done at 11?

This whole expansion is worse then the Oregon coaching search. Why would the PAC-10 stop at 11?!? Why expand at that point? Stick with the original format. I wouldnt be surprised if the quotes were taken out of context. Utah's AD is probably watching all of this while sitting at the edge of his chair and rooting for Texas to the Big-10

Tigercat · 06-10-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsimperless

No mention yet of conference realignments' impact to TCY2. Please discuss.

Solecismic 8 are in trouble. My sources tell me that Pac-11 is looking to raid Sitka University.

hoosierdude · 06-10-2010, 04:43 PM

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At some point, I'd like to discuss why there hasn't been a major release of either product in almost four years. But now is not the time, and the future remains uncertain (as it has been for years).

Nicely done, and I hope this gets some attention as well.

Good Luck Jim.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2010, 04:44 PM

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*tons of great info*

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...it seems like 4 or 5 16 team conferences is the likely end game.

Is there a thought that an end result of these mega-conferences makes playoffs more likely somewhere down the road?

I've been anti-playoff forever basically, but once you're already jamming yourself into huge conferences, it seems like it makes a lot of the current problems in creating a playoff system disappear.

MJ4H · 06-10-2010, 04:46 PM

Yes there is a lot of belief that this is ultimately heading towards a playoff.

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 04:47 PM

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Yes there is a lot of belief that this is ultimately heading towards a playoff.

Its funny, i actually heard the exact opposite, basically that the big motivation for a playoff right now would be additional revenue, and once these schools get their mega conference money they will be less inclined then ever to make that jump

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:48 PM

8 leagues, sounds perfect for a 8 team playoff

Alan T · 06-10-2010, 04:49 PM

All of this makes me realize that people are asking for the wrong game. We don't need TCY2....

What we need is Front Office College Conference expansion Manager.

cartman · 06-10-2010, 04:53 PM

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Its funny, i actually heard the exact opposite, basically that the big motivation for a playoff right now would be additional revenue, and once these schools get their mega conference money they will be less inclined then ever to make that jump

So you are saying that once they get a ton of money, they are going to take a pass at making even more money?

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Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	FYI for Mizzou fans. The news about Texas and A&M considering the Big Ten is good news for Mizzou. IF Texas and A&M go to the Big Ten (which isn't a given at this point), the other three teams will be Nebraska, Mizzou, and Notre Dame. There's a reason that Deaton has talked with Texas and it has nothing to do with desperation. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 06-10-2010 at 04:19 PM.

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mrsimperless College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2003	No mention yet of conference realignments' impact to TCY2. Please discuss. __________________ "All I know is that smart women are hot. Susan Polgar beat me in 24 moves in a simultaneous exhbition. I slept with the scoresheet under my pillow." Off some dude's web site.

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Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Pac 10 done at 11? Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 06-10-2010 at 04:39 PM.

06-10-2010, 04:49 PM	#1849
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	All of this makes me realize that people are asking for the wrong game. We don't need TCY2.... What we need is Front Office College Conference expansion Manager. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

06-10-2010, 03:54 PM	#1804
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Kansas just fired their AD

06-10-2010, 04:10 PM	#1812
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Texas and Texas A&M to Big 10...Oklahoma to SEC Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten - Sports News Story - KCTV Kansas City

06-10-2010, 04:11 PM	#1813
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	I get the feeling this is moving so fast behind the scenes...I'd love if somehow somebody could write a book about how all this is taking place.

06-10-2010, 04:22 PM	#1822
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think the VT and TAMU rumor is a potential offer, not them actually leaving

06-10-2010, 04:24 PM	#1826
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Nothing happens til tomorrow at the very least. TTU is confident that Texas and TAMU aren't leaving them alone, though I think they could care less if TAMU, as long as they have Texas. There is a news conference by TTU in a bit

06-10-2010, 04:36 PM	#1835
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Good stuff Jim, but I bet that OSU, TTU only have invites to the PAC-10 that are contingent on Texas. If not, it's risky, but I bet they grab Utah, TCU, Oklahoma and one more? IDK in that instance. I think if they miss on Texas, they invite Utah and call it a day

06-10-2010, 04:38 PM	#1837
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	It's the new and improved Mizzou who might be supporting a MWC Missouri program!

06-10-2010, 04:46 PM	#1846
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Yes there is a lot of belief that this is ultimately heading towards a playoff.

06-10-2010, 04:48 PM	#1848
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	8 leagues, sounds perfect for a 8 team playoff

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