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MrBug708 · 05-13-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Tywin overplayed his hand. He had everything lined up, but he didn't anticipate that Tyrion had feelings for Shae and that her betrayal would blow up his plans. The staredown between himself and Tyrion at the end was great.

Well, only one person in the whole realm really truly loves Tyrion and would defend his honor regardless. Of course, Jaime would probably be killed by whoever stood for the crown and with one decision, Tywin loses both his sons.

SteveMax58 · 05-13-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Well, only one person in the whole realm really truly loves Tyrion and would defend his honor regardless. Of course, Jaime would probably be killed by whoever stood for the crown and with one decision, Tywin loses both his sons.

So I've been thinking of who Tyrion will call on. Jaime is the obvious frontrunner but I almost wonder if that could work out differently.

Maybe Jaime cant because of some technicality around being in employment of the crown (of course, if he does what his father says, he will have to renounce himself at some point anyway...so could be a reason he actually fights for his brother). So Bronn (I think?) might be the 1st alternate. But where is he?

Pure speculation here as I dont know the story....

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DanGarion · 05-13-2014, 11:04 AM

Oh I thought that Tyrion would actually have to fight the battle himself and he would have to fight Jaime. But what do I know.

NobodyHere · 05-13-2014, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Oh I thought that Tyrion would actually have to fight the battle himself and he would have to fight Jaime. But what do I know.

Eh, remember how Bronn fought for him at the Eyrie. It's custom to have a champion fight for you and the gods determine innocent/guilt by the winner.

In other words, a champion is like a lawyer, but he dies if he loses.

DanGarion · 05-13-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Eh, remember how Bronn fought for him at the Eyrie. It's custom to have a champion fight for you and the gods determine innocent/guilt by the winner.

In other words, a champion is like a lawyer, but he dies if he loses.

Yeah, I remember that now.

Landshark44 · 05-13-2014, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Tywin overplayed his hand. He had everything lined up, but he didn't anticipate that Tyrion had feelings for Shae and that her betrayal would blow up his plans.

I thought Tyrion was trying to get her to shut up because his father had promised to "hang the next whore" he found Tyrion with...

Tyrion was trying to protect her, imo...

thesloppy · 05-13-2014, 12:33 PM

A Lannister trial seems like a pretty bad deal....like, you apparently don't get to call on any of your own witnesses, or speak at all in your own defense. On the other hand, the defendant can apparently declare to have the verdict decided by someone else's combat, at any time up to the final ruling, or during the ruling itself, and possibly for a short time afterwards.

The realms legal system could probably use a few tweaks.

SteveMax58 · 05-13-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy

A Lannister trial seems like a pretty bad deal....like, you apparently don't get to call on any of your own witnesses, or speak at all in your own defense. On the other hand, the defendant can apparently declare to have the verdict decided by someone else's combat, at any time up to the final ruling, or during the ruling itself, and possibly for a short time afterwards.

The realms legal system could probably use a few tweaks.

hehe....yeah I found it to be quite an odd evolution of a legal system even for a madeup world with madeup physical boundaries. Its basically just a bunch of people spouting off unsubstantiated grievances of all sorts.

But in theory, if the 2 greatest warriors in the world decided to just be assholes to everybody else...rape, steal, murder, etc...they could. And all they need to do is call each other as their champion at trial.

MrBug708 · 05-13-2014, 03:39 PM

You can call on them, but they do not have to agree to fight for you.

dzilla77 · 05-13-2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

But in theory, if the 2 greatest warriors in the world decided to just be assholes to everybody else...rape, steal, murder, etc...they could. And all they need to do is call each other as their champion at trial.

Wasn't that the definition of the Middle Ages?

Neon_Chaos · 05-13-2014, 08:05 PM

Love the little dig by Tywin to Jaime.

You will marry a suitable woman and father children named Lannister!

Neon_Chaos · 05-13-2014, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Landshark44

I thought Tyrion was trying to get her to shut up because his father had promised to "hang the next whore" he found Tyrion with...

Tyrion was trying to protect her, imo...

Really? I thought he was devastated by Shae's betrayal. He was all ready to go along with Jaime's plan when she showed up and started laying into Tyrion. He snapped.

It's interesting too, since during the breakfast before Joffrey's wedding, I remember Cersei pointing Shae to Tywin, and he told her to bring Shae to him. Obviously Tywin and Cersei put the screws on to Shae to testify and lie.

Sad sad Tyrion. He was a broken man as soon as she walked into the courtroom.

Grammaticus · 05-13-2014, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

You can call on them, but they do not have to agree to fight for you.

You can still fight for yourself. So one of the two greatest swordsmen could just fight his own battles as he does what he wants.

Now, he might come across a faceless man at some point....

Vince, Pt. II · 05-14-2014, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

You can still fight for yourself. So one of the two greatest swordsmen could just fight his own battles as he does what he wants.

Now, he might come across a faceless man at some point....

I think the idea was that if the other guy is fighting FOR him, there's no way he has to fight AGAINST that guy, in case his opposition could convince the other greatest swordsmen in the world to be their champion.

JPhillips · 05-18-2014, 09:01 PM

I loved the dying farmer scene. That actor starred in a filmed version of Waiting for Godot and the dialogue in GoT was very Beckettian.

Jas_lov · 05-18-2014, 09:15 PM

They should have stuck with "Only Cat" when LF threw Lysa out the moon door.

Coffee Warlord · 05-18-2014, 10:37 PM

Meh, it worked.

Vince, Pt. II · 05-19-2014, 12:14 AM

Curious as to where they're going to go with the fact that there was no one there to witness/pin it on. Just ignoring it seems to be a fairly decent sized plot hole.

Chief Rum · 05-19-2014, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Curious as to where they're going to go with the fact that there was no one there to witness/pin it on. Just ignoring it seems to be a fairly decent sized plot hole.

Did you see the preview for next week? It appears that "Allayne" will be giving testimony.

Grammaticus · 05-19-2014, 06:37 AM

What is Robin going to do for lunch now?

SteveMax58 · 05-19-2014, 07:53 AM

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What is Robin going to do for lunch now?

lol...another spoiled little bastard (if not literally, at least figuratively).

I wasn't expecting to see that happen so soon myself. I thought we'd get a series of Sansa scenes where she's being abused by Lysa for all the odd thoughts that creep in her crazy skull.

I have to say, Sansa is probably the luckiest person in this story so far. She got saved by the Hound from being raped, saved by Tyrion at (her?) wedding, saved by Petyr from whatever would happen to her by the entitled brat Robin. This girl is definitely the complete & polar opposite (or Stark contrast, forgive the pun) to her sister Arya, who essentially makes her own "luck" happen.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-19-2014, 08:17 AM

That scene between Tyrion and the Red Viper was one of the best ever. Just amazing acting by both actors there.

stevew · 05-19-2014, 03:01 PM

going to be rough to have to wait an extra week for the next episode.

Vince, Pt. II · 05-19-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Did you see the preview for next week? It appears that "Allayne" will be giving testimony.

Yeah, but whodunit? Without a third party there, I'm intrigued by how they'll explain what happened behind closed doors.

stevew · 05-19-2014, 03:57 PM

I hate that Emilia Clarke has probably put the kibosh on all future nude scenes.

ISiddiqui · 05-19-2014, 04:02 PM

You can just rewatch her old ones if you really are sad about it

thesloppy · 05-19-2014, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Yeah, but whodunit? Without a third party there, I'm intrigued by how they'll explain what happened behind closed doors.

TRIAL BY COMBAT! Obviously, you take all the possible perpetrators, make them fight each other (or their champions), and the one that lives totally didn't do it.

Jas_lov · 06-01-2014, 10:13 PM

Shame to see Oberyn go. He was one of the better characters but the fight delivered. Scenes at the Vale with Sansa were good, scenes with Grey Worm were awful.

bhlloy · 06-01-2014, 10:45 PM

Well that was some nice nightmare fuel right there

NobodyHere · 06-01-2014, 10:54 PM

I wish I had HBO Go or that HBO didn't wait until next year to release the series on blu-ray

Vince, Pt. II · 06-02-2014, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Yeah, but whodunit? Without a third party there, I'm intrigued by how they'll explain what happened behind closed doors.

Huh. Interesting twist on the story, and well played by the actors involved. Not sure I like it from a plot hole perspective though....

Radii · 06-02-2014, 12:52 AM

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Well that was some nice nightmare fuel right there

it sure was... I may have woken up others in the house with my rather loud visceral reaction to that.

Great episode. Best Sansa scene of the show so far I think? And as always, absolutely every second Arya is on screen is a joy.

Neon_Chaos · 06-02-2014, 12:54 AM

Shades of Inigo Montoya on the fight scene. Pretty cool.

Chief Rum · 06-02-2014, 01:22 AM

What is nightmare fuel? Oberyn's head? Or just the eyes?

I'm surprised you guys are reacting that way. This show does disgusting death all the time.

Radii · 06-02-2014, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Oberyn's head? Or just the eyes?

The fingers in the eyes thing is a bit of a trigger to begin with, that's always going to elicit a very strong reaction from me. I think the sounds added to the effect. While there are lots of neat "holy shit!" moments in the show, frequently over a death, my reaction to this one was just more intense. Maybe Viserys? That one made me cringe a little bit. But this was definitely more intense.

Chief Rum · 06-02-2014, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

The fingers in the eyes thing is a bit of a trigger to begin with, that's always going to elicit a very strong reaction from me. I think the sounds added to the effect. While there are lots of neat "holy shit!" moments in the show, frequently over a death, my reaction to this one was just more intense. Maybe Viserys? That one made me cringe a little bit. But this was definitely more intense.

True, Viserys's death was brutal.

I guess I just don't put Oberyn's death scene on that same level. Honestly, it wasn't even the most disturbing thing in the episode. That honor goes to the flayed man.

Coffee Warlord · 06-02-2014, 07:28 AM

Arya just completely losing it in a fit of laughter was utterly perfect.

Groundhog · 06-02-2014, 07:53 AM

The actor that played Oberyn absolutely killed it. As good a casting job as any in the show. Even having read the books, that was... something else.

SteveMax58 · 06-02-2014, 08:27 AM

Wow, didnt see some of those things coming. More questions than answers at this point (which of course will keep me watching as they intended).

Sansa, I figured would bail out Littlefinger but didnt expect her to shift into what seems to be the seductress role. Not that it doesnt add up, just didnt see it coming. Will be interesting to see her reunited with Arya....could not be any more contrast to these 2 sisters other than they have grown up amid the chaos & have hardened a bit.

Oberyn...flat out awesome but really sad to see him go. I thought he was going to takeout Tywin with the spear before finishing off the Mountain. Will be interesting to see what happens next with Tyrion.

Sir Jorah (I think?) makes a lot of sense & seems too obvious in hindsight but I didnt expect that one either. Not sure if his story pretty much tails off or if there is more to him but an interesting character I thought.

Great episode in all.

bhlloy · 06-02-2014, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

True, Viserys's death was brutal.

I guess I just don't put Oberyn's death scene on that same level. Honestly, it wasn't even the most disturbing thing in the episode. That honor goes to the flayed man.

ymmv, but nothing they've showed or showed just off screen in the entire length of the show has got nearly that reaction in our house. Give me an already flayed man over that shit any day.

Vince, Pt. II · 06-02-2014, 09:16 AM

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...an already flayed man...

I think this is the key. The flaying happened off-screen, so it's much easier to write that off as just a gruesome dummy/makeup job. The live action of Oberyn's head exploding...eesh.

Desnudo · 06-02-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

I think this is the key. The flaying happened off-screen, so it's much easier to write that off as just a gruesome dummy/makeup job. The live action of Oberyn's head exploding...eesh.

Plus the fact that he had won and his loved one had to witness. Although I had a bad feeling as soon as he kept dancing around yelling.

Kodos · 06-02-2014, 10:43 AM

He'd obviously never watched a Jason movie. He's not dead until you've chopped him into a million pieces.

PackerFanatic · 06-02-2014, 10:59 AM

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Although I had a bad feeling as soon as he kept dancing around yelling.

Ditto. Wife and I kept saying "just finish him!". What a brutal way to go.

bulletsponge · 06-02-2014, 01:40 PM

*note to self: when in a fight to the death, dont gloat, brag, or showboat, just finish the fucker off. ill have to remember that in my next duel

cthomer5000 · 06-02-2014, 08:24 PM

Me at end of episode:

judicial clerk · 06-02-2014, 09:53 PM

Oberyn should have watched out for that right cross. It really landed.

RainMaker · 06-02-2014, 09:55 PM

One thing that I don't like about GoT is every character that becomes interesting seems to die.

Neon_Chaos · 06-03-2014, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

*note to self: when in a fight to the death, dont gloat, brag, or showboat, just finish the fucker off. ill have to remember that in my next duel

He went full-on Bond villain monologue.

Never monologue.

kingfc22 · 06-03-2014, 08:55 AM

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Me at end of episode:

Damn. Thought something was about to go sour once Oberyn kept on going and going about his sister. I really liked his character as well.

Really curious to see if Jamie helps out Tyrion somehow now that he's been found guilty.

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05-19-2014, 12:14 AM	#1818
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Curious as to where they're going to go with the fact that there was no one there to witness/pin it on. Just ignoring it seems to be a fairly decent sized plot hole.

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06-01-2014, 10:13 PM	#1828
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Shame to see Oberyn go. He was one of the better characters but the fight delivered. Scenes at the Vale with Sansa were good, scenes with Grey Worm were awful.

06-01-2014, 10:45 PM	#1829
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06-02-2014, 07:53 AM	#1838
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06-02-2014, 08:27 AM	#1839
SteveMax58 College Starter Join Date: Dec 2006	Wow, didnt see some of those things coming. More questions than answers at this point (which of course will keep me watching as they intended). Sansa, I figured would bail out Littlefinger but didnt expect her to shift into what seems to be the seductress role. Not that it doesnt add up, just didnt see it coming. Will be interesting to see her reunited with Arya....could not be any more contrast to these 2 sisters other than they have grown up amid the chaos & have hardened a bit. Oberyn...flat out awesome but really sad to see him go. I thought he was going to takeout Tywin with the spear before finishing off the Mountain. Will be interesting to see what happens next with Tyrion. Sir Jorah (I think?) makes a lot of sense & seems too obvious in hindsight but I didnt expect that one either. Not sure if his story pretty much tails off or if there is more to him but an interesting character I thought. Great episode in all.

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