08-12-2019, 04:07 PM | #18401 |
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I think that's basically a talking point attributable to the semi-random fact pattern of memorable history. -Clinton happened to be in office when a tech bubble generated so much capital gains income that the treasury temporary swelled to actually cover its obligations. Clinton was indeed a fairly moderate Dem, but let's not pretend that the reason the federal deficit shrank was because of "welfare reform" or the like, it was the plastic economy of the moment. -Bush 43 ended up presiding at a time when the hue and cry for expanded Medicare (especially for prescription drugs) reached a breaking point, and the GOP knew it has a weakness with older voters, so they knuckled under. It wasn't a deep philosophical commitment, it was political laziness and unwillingness to stand up to a strong lobby. They caved, the feds spend a ton more on Medicare now, and that's basically your story of expanding deficits during that era - coupled, admittedly, with the mantra that "deficits don't matter," which to any incumbent is basically scripture. -Obama got to preside over a massive expansion, independent of his policies, and that's good for revenue. Like it or not, the health care package that they got passed under his watch had a variety of unpopular pay-fors designed to avoid blowing up the deficit... now we'll watch them go by the wayside, for sure, starting with the "Cadillac tax." He inherited TARP and the fallout from the 2008-09 fall-apart, but since a recovery was pretty obviously imminent after that dust settled, he gets credit (in this respect) for just not messing it all up. -Trump's massive tax cut, and the unbelievable fiction surrounding it, was absurdly irresponsible and contributed to a massive underfunding now and for the next political generation. If all you care about is deficits, then this is the one place you draw the line... it was reckless, politically expedient, and ultimately probably did fairly little for the behaviors we claimed to be targeting. It will take a couple years for, say, the charity community to realize how royally fucked they got in all this. Maybe the same for realtors, too. Anyway... if all we can look at are a tiny number of data point, we are at great peril to conclude that there's something about party philosophy there. It's an anomaly. Democrats would prefer to increase spending. Republicans would prefer to reduce revenues. Neither once generally considers the relationship between the two to be important enough to counter these primary instincts. It's a built-in problem for anyone who cares about deficits and fiscal responsibility - the inherently most boring special interest in DC. |
08-12-2019, 04:08 PM | #18402 |
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08-12-2019, 04:09 PM | #18403 |
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I was mostly out over the weekend; did we cover this?
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Enjoying OC, eh? (Caught a blurb on WAMU this morning)
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Obama also reduced government spending: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...nment-spending (the 10 year view shows it) Mostly by reducing military spending. Though spending was starting to trend up a bit after 2014 (likely due to health care costs). Generally the recent Republican talk about reducing spending, but they mostly just shift it - to defense spending
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And yet ICE is 51-52% Hispanic. Sure it happens and there are bad apples. But is ICE a cesspool of white supremacists and racists? Easier for me to believe they are acting on unauthorized immigration vs pure racism. Fact Check: Are Half of All Border Patrol Agents Hispanic? Quote:
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08-12-2019, 06:16 PM | #18408 | |
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08-12-2019, 07:04 PM | #18409 | |
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Clinton cut spending just like Obama. Reagan, HW, W, and Trump have increased spending. Not sure where the "Democrats only care about spending" comes from. Heck, their party leadership is still touting Pay-Go as the way forward. Let's not forget W made massive tax cuts and then increased spending. Same with Reagan. |
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08-12-2019, 07:09 PM | #18411 |
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There's a bit of "only Nixon could go to China" here, too. Voters think of the GOP as the fiscally responsible party, so they are given more leeway to expand the deficit. Voters think of Dems as the reckless party, so their feet are held to the fire.
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08-12-2019, 07:17 PM | #18412 |
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Generally true but it also helps that congressional Republicans would rather block all legislation rather than give a Democratic president "a win".
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08-12-2019, 07:56 PM | #18413 | |
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Don't really know how it will end but its either a violent crackdown, China giving some significant concessions, or protesters fading away.
Concessions is unlikely, losing too much face and setting a precedence for next time. Protesters fading away also seems unlikely, the protesters have been pretty successful in maintaining pressure. So some sort of crackdown is my guess. https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/asia/...hnk/index.html Quote:
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08-12-2019, 08:01 PM | #18414 |
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I'm sure there's good people on both sides.
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08-12-2019, 08:08 PM | #18415 |
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Ever since China took possession of Hong Kong they have been pushing the agreed upon terms for possession of it. They change the rules little by little and take away freedoms that have been in place. Of course it's going to end badly somewhere along the way, but it's completely wrong, completely autocratic authority, completely China. It's like when trump says something outrageous and everyone says, oh he'll never do that, he meant this, but then they totally do it. China does that shit all the time.
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Curt Schilling 'absolutely considering' running for Congress
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08-13-2019, 10:04 AM | #18418 | |
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I wonder why right wing extremist terrorism is up under Trump.
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08-13-2019, 10:44 AM | #18419 |
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Schilling is another Q guy running for office. Shame he doesn't try in Rhode Island.
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08-13-2019, 11:28 AM | #18420 |
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Enter the conspiracy theory zone: William Barr has said that there is going to be a full investigation of the Epstien suicide, and that his accomplices will be brought to justice. We already know he was buddies with Trump, but there is no way Barr is going to investigate Trump. We do know that Barr has no scruples what so ever, and has no qualms using his position for political purposes. So, when does the Clinton indictment come? How many enemies of Trump get indicted? Will there even be a token Republican?
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08-13-2019, 12:37 PM | #18421 | |
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If Dems didn't care about that relationship, then why would they constantly push for unpopular tax increase measures and/or oppose tax cuts?
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08-13-2019, 10:08 PM | #18422 | |
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Ken Cuccinelli changed the poem on the Statue of Liberty:
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When asked about it text of the original poem later he said that it referred to people coming from Europe. White nationalism rules everything around me.
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08-13-2019, 10:46 PM | #18423 | |
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Look at what "tax increase measures" most Democrats are willing to say they support, in the abstract. It's almost universally "tax on the wealthy" or "roll back the [Republican] tax cuts for the rich" or the like. That polls pretty well, Dems understand that, and when not in crisis time, they stick to the playbook. When there's an actual crisis (negotiation over the debt limit, most recently) you'd see some bickering over the ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases as part of a budget deal - with the GOP seeking some absurd ratio like 10:1 and the Dems starting at 1:1, and then settling on 3:1 or 5:1. But it is always the Democrats who have to push the issue of revenue increases being part of any solution. Republicans are reliably pro-cut right up until the moment when something of value to virtually anyone gets nicked. Tax cuts are indeed popular, and I think it's generally a nod to the integrity of the Dems that they don't go for them every time, the way much of the GOP will. If you're reading my comments above as simply an indictment of the Dems, you're missing my point. I judge both parties to be substantially guilty of the fiscal impasse that has relegated "fiscal responsibility" as a back-burner issue, but if there's an apportionment to be had, I'd say the blind adherence to mantra of the GOP to bear the larger burden here. |
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08-13-2019, 11:02 PM | #18424 | |
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Was just coming to comment on this. What a crock. Screw them. It's bad enough to put in policies that go against American ideals, but to revise our tradition and hiatory itself?
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08-13-2019, 11:38 PM | #18425 |
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So much for the "it's not about race" argument some here have been saying. The administration is openly saying it is.
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08-14-2019, 05:53 AM | #18426 | |
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Pretty weak IMO. Why even change the poem and deal with the uproar. Was the pro-immigration crowd really using this poem to effectively beat up Trump's immigration policies (as if anymore was really needed)? Or was it him thinking he could just slip this in quietly and make himself look good to the boss? I'm all for greatly increased selective immigration of the highly educated. I also remember when I went through the process there was something I signed that said that I could support myself (F1, H1B). So evaluation criteria that includes not being a "public charge" (which I think was already policy to a certain degree) to decide on candidacy is okay with me (i.e. its not the only evaluation criteria). However, the intent of the poem is pretty clear and to change it and pick a fight is pretty stupid. Last edited by Edward64 : 08-14-2019 at 06:02 AM. |
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08-14-2019, 06:00 AM | #18427 |
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08-14-2019, 06:28 AM | #18428 | |
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Don't really know the game he is playing. It would seem that China would see this as a "blink" and therefore this will undercut him in future negotiations.
But maybe Trump is looking at 2020 and doing what he needs to get re-elected. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/13/trum...thers-say.html Quote:
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08-14-2019, 08:18 AM | #18429 | |
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Jumping back in the thread a bit to the conversation on healthcare costs..
Just read this this morning and it was topical and kind of mind blowing. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/b...=pocket-newtab Getting some pop up so i will cut/paste below. Quote:
To me, this is when you know free market is dead in the healthcare world. When provider and customer can agree to a price and can travel to another country and rent facilities and still pay less and make more. I am sure most will point to the potential for lawsuit as a major cost driver. I wonder how many Americans would gladly pay 75% less if they waived their right to sue for errors? Last edited by CU Tiger : 08-14-2019 at 08:21 AM. |
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08-14-2019, 08:57 AM | #18430 |
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I wouldn't waive my right to sue for errors but love this idea. Anything to make US Healthcare more efficient and transparent. I've heard similar for other countries (e.g. Thailand) but first time I've read the patient gets a check.
The article said additional/extra malpractice insurance is bought for the Dr but it may be harder for a patient to sue so there is that. There will be inevitable lawsuits coming out of this sooner or later. EDIT: Oh, we should fix the damn college costs while we are at it also Last edited by Edward64 : 08-14-2019 at 09:06 AM. |
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You realize that the system has failed if this is a good idea, or proposed solution on any level. How can you argue to keep the current insurance run industry while proposing going outside if it in order to achieve the ends? It's a workaround to a glaring problem. Fix the problem, don't exacerbate it.
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08-14-2019, 12:41 PM | #18432 |
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I think there is near consensus on this board that healthcare is screwed up and everyone wants to see it re-worked. From single-payer, to single-payer w/private combo; more transparency; reduce the middle-man; more interstate providers, exchanges etc. Across the Payer, Provider & Pharma markets etc.
With that all said, to get it re-worked (e.g. to fix the problem) where majority are happy will take time (e.g. even the Dems can't agree), a lot of time and its no sure thing. If the Dems can win the Presidency, House & Senate, maybe it'll happen but Senate is unlikely. So I'll settle for the low hanging fruit for now. Yup, said state of affairs. Last edited by Edward64 : 08-14-2019 at 12:42 PM. |
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We're getting fucked in healthcare, no two ways about it. The only thing that surprises me about CU's article was the innovative way the arrangement company is mitigating the concerns American patients may have. Everything else sounds just like what my friend and his in laws do. His in laws are from Mexico and they drive to TJ to do any major medical or dental work.
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08-14-2019, 02:46 PM | #18435 | |
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Republican president and Democrat congress = more deals and higher spending. Democrats are more willing to give a republican tax cuts/his wishes if they can avoid the veto on some of their projects. Democrats president and Dem congress = pretty high spending levels, but also higher taxes on everyone to slightly balance it (but still not great for the deficit). Usually not the best business environment short term, but there could be long term benefits if spending isn't completely out of control. Republican president and Rep congress = tax cuts and slightly higher spending levels (esp on defense). Prob the worst combo for the deficit - but you could argue that decreasing tax revenue is better for businesses and the economy (atleast in the short term). |
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Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but looks like we might be able to put the conspiracy theories over Epstein's death to rest:
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08-14-2019, 05:20 PM | #18438 | |
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08-14-2019, 05:53 PM | #18439 |
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08-14-2019, 07:07 PM | #18441 |
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It is an amazing coincidence that the Hong Kong situation has been going on for a while, yet on the day Trump delays tariffs he starts tweeting about it and how he wants to give them a chance to remedy it.
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08-14-2019, 08:22 PM | #18442 | |
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Can someone interpret what Steve King meant when he said this?
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08-14-2019, 09:44 PM | #18444 |
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Well, I mean, like everyone on the planet is descended from Genghis Khan, so yeah?
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? He's certainly backed down from Mexico and Canada threats. How many times was he going to end Nafta or impose tariffs or make Mexico pay for it when he then didn't? I'm not sure the threat to Guatemala.
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NAFTA 2.0/USMCA was a win for Trump. Was it everything he wanted, no. Did NAFTA need updating/modernizing, yes. Should Trump have approached it better, absolutely. I think we can differ on how much of a win but Trump got a lot of what he wanted and not sure what he conceded other than some status-quo stuff (e.g. Canada dispute process to stay in place). https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...eres-whats-it/ Notwithstanding "paying for the Wall", Mexico and Guatemala has been bullied on unauthorized immigration. Last edited by Edward64 : 08-15-2019 at 06:30 AM. |
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08-15-2019, 03:39 PM | #18447 |
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Imagine the furor if Israeli lawmakers were denied entry to the US
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08-15-2019, 04:36 PM | #18448 |
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So Trump's latest flight of fancy-he wants the US to buy Greenland-which of course is under the control of Denmark and is self-ruled:
Trump Eyes a New Real-Estate Purchase: Greenland - WSJ
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It hasn't been passed and isn't in effect. He must have threatened half a dozen times to walk and kill NAFTA, but never did. Everybody knows he's all bluster. China, short of getting the US to cave on a lot of things, has no reason not to wait until after the election.
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