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[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Poli

Hoops, didn't I vote Telle on day 1?

You know, this is something that I was a little confused on as well. I thought that Danny's final vote count showed Abe but I thought you were on Telle.

I don't think it alters the conclusion, that you were around near the deadline on Day 1 switching your votes and that you never put EF in any danger with your votes.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

BK, I don't think I've "always said" anything in regards to seer scan choices. I really don't think there is a absolute right in terms of how to play that role.

However, they certainly could choose not to scan PB. And that would end up putting me in a bad spot with my assumptions if PB is in fact a wolf. I'm willing to take that chance for a day or two, I think.

How about frequently? Let's not play a semantics game here. Cause I got a thesauri and I'll find the word that expresses the fact that I accurately described your seer approach, as you admit later.

That said you see that I'm looking for a PB alternative, because I don't subscribe to that particular piece of strategy. So can you explain how saldana, or anyone else, is the best candidate? I simply haven't been able to follow along to make my own argument.

[hoopsguy]

Anyway, I once again won't be around for the deadline. Daughter's 2nd birthday tonight, which means that my wife will pummel me for sneaking away to mess with the computer

I'll change the vote to Saldana because I like him as a candidate better than either Telle or PurdueBrad for today.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE SALDANA

[Poli]

Well, 1. Danny sucks. 2. I'm not sure how to answer, "never putting EF in danger". Wasn't I on EF before I moved to Telle yesterday?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Anyway, I once again won't be around for the deadline. Daughter's 2nd birthday tonight, which means that my wife will pummel me for sneaking away to mess with the computer

Give her a birthday high five for me. My 33rd is Monday.

[Poli]

I'm going to watch some backlogged tv. Time for The Mentalist.

[EagleFan]

[EagleFan]

It was either that or situps in my driveway.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

How about frequently? Let's not play a semantics game here. Cause I got a thesauri and I'll find the word that expresses the fact that I accurately described your seer approach, as you admit later.

That said you see that I'm looking for a PB alternative, because I don't subscribe to that particular piece of strategy. So can you explain how saldana, or anyone else, is the best candidate? I simply haven't been able to follow along to make my own argument.

I've put out thoughts on every single person on the last page, here is the summary on Saldana:

"21. Saldana D1: Dubb D2: Hoops Unvotes: EF (D2) Timing: pretty late unvote on EF brought race back to an 8-8 tie. D1 vote was more or less throwaway on likely villager."

He had the worst unvote of the day yesterday. He has cast two votes that have been throwaways. There are several people who stand out based on voting records, but his was probably the worst of Day 2.

I could probably get behind 4-5 candidates, and I had Jackal ahead of Saldana on my personal list, but I don't think that is going to happen.

In order, of the three current candidates I would prefer to see Saldana lynched before Telle before PurdueBrad.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Poli

Well, 1. Danny sucks. 2. I'm not sure how to answer, "never putting EF in danger". Wasn't I on EF before I moved to Telle yesterday?

A quick look at my voting chart shows you on PB yesterday. Only EF vote was at very tail end of the last minute when EF was up one and didn't have ability to save himself. I think that vote could be looked at a number of different ways.

[hoopsguy]

OK, really out now. Back after deadline.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

A quick look at my voting chart shows you on PB yesterday. Only EF vote was at very tail end of the last minute when EF was up one and didn't have ability to save himself. I think that vote could be looked at a number of different ways.

That's right, I was on PB. My bad.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm heading out with some friends. Don;t know if I'll be back until post-lynch

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I'm heading out with some friends. Don;t know if I'll be back until post-lynch

So does that mean all this time you were here?

[Telle]

Glad to see it's not a total run-away on me. I'll be reserving my vote for whatever self-preservation move I need to make. But regarding current vote getters...

PurdueBrad - I honestly don't know what to think of him. On Day 1 I thought he was a better lynch candidate than EF based on not much (typical Day 1), and on Day 2 I was confused by the whole Latham thing and thought it would be best to lynch him to get it figured out. But I never had any solid data against him. But now there's this hissy fit of his. I dunno.

PackerFanatic and Lerriuqs have both been very quiet. And there does come a time when you need to watch out for the "under the radar" guys. (I just don't believe that time is Day 1)

saldana - his voting record definitely doesn't look good. That move from EF on Day 2 does look suspect. And he hasn't provided any information about why he voted for me today other than wanting to make PB happy.

So out of those, I'd probably vote for saldana if I had my choice. But as I said, I'm reserving my vote until close to deadline for whatever keeps me alive.

[PurdueBrad]

I need to get in a vote today and so Ill just vote with the person that defended me some

vote jackal

[DaddyTorgo]

okay - here i am...done with dinner and ready to help figure this thing out

[Telle]

Vote count as of post #1767:

4 - Telle - claphamsa (1532), Autumn (1535), saldana (1616), Poli (1633)
3 - PurdueBrad - Latham (1554), PackerFanatic (1661), Abe (1702)
1 - PackerFanatic - The Jackal (1637)
1 - Lerriuqs - MartinD (1652)
4 - saldana - dubb (1684), Passacaglia (1722), Lerriuqs (1735), hoopsguy (1753)
1 - The Jackal - PurdueBrad (1766)

Yet to vote: Barkeep, Chief Rum, Telle, DaddyTorgo

[DaddyTorgo]

i might have a thought, but there's not sufficient time to get any backing behind it tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think we can almost reserve judgement on PB another day...not enamored of a vote for Telle, but the person that is pinging me a bit as wolfish is on Saldana, so I don't know...

[Telle]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I think we can almost reserve judgement on PB another day...not enamored of a vote for Telle, but the person that is pinging me a bit as wolfish is on Saldana, so I don't know...

So who is it? And why do you think he's wolfish?

[Danny]

45 minutes until deadline

[MartinD]

UNVOTE LERRIUQS

This was always a placeholder vote, although I thought that it might have been more effective at getting a bit of reaction from lerriuqs.

I'll be moving my vote to one of the three main candidates soon - need a little bit of time to make up my mind.

[DaddyTorgo]

i might have a thought, but there's not sufficient time to get any backing behind it tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'd like to see if anyone else comes to the same independent conclusion as me...

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'd like to see if anyone else comes to the same independent conclusion as me...

Sorry DT, I'm not a wolf

[MartinD]

VOTE TELLE

While I have suspicions about both Telle and Saldana, I think that Telle's votes for the first two days don't look good, and I think that I've picked up a few things in her posts that don't sit quite right.

It will be interesting to see how the votes go between now and deadline...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i might have a thought, but there's not sufficient time to get any backing behind it tonight.

Word. There's even less time than when you posted that five minutes earlier!

[Telle]

Originally Posted by MartinD

VOTE TELLE

While I have suspicions about both Telle and Saldana, I think that Telle's votes for the first two days don't look good, and I think that I've picked up a few things in her posts that don't sit quite right.

It will be interesting to see how the votes go between now and deadline...

So what's not sitting right? Give me a chance to respond.

[Danny]

Vote count as of post #1779:

5 - Telle - claphamsa (1532), Autumn (1535), saldana (1616), Poli (1633), MartinD (1777)
3 - PurdueBrad - Latham (1554), PackerFanatic (1661), Abe (1702)
1 - PackerFanatic - The Jackal (1637)
4 - saldana - dubb (1684), Passacaglia (1722), Lerriuqs (1735), hoopsguy (1753)
1 - The Jackal - PurdueBrad (1766)

Yet to vote: Barkeep, Chief Rum, Telle, DaddyTorgo

[Danny]

It's slow today

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm. despite what i said, maybe we just need to get this thing resolved and see what we can learn from it.

i'll be around till deadline though

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[DaddyTorgo]

friday nights are always slow

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

friday nights are always slow

But this is my game, I thought exceptions would be made.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Danny

It's slow today

I'm watching Fringe now. I feel like the mad scientist Walter.

[Danny]

20 minutes until deadline, tick tock tick tock

[Autumn]

I'm back for just a couple minutes. Anyone want to summarize what's happened for me?

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Telle

So what's not sitting right? Give me a chance to respond.

Sorry for not responding sooner - got a bit of a gut feel from some of your posts on Day 1, and am looking over the Day 1 posts to find something for you to try to shoot down

[Passacaglia]

I really don't see the reason to vote Telle, and I think she should live.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[Danny]

Vote count as of post #1789:

5 - Telle - claphamsa (1532), Autumn (1535), saldana (1616), Poli (1633), MartinD (1777)
5 - PurdueBrad - Latham (1554), PackerFanatic (1661), Abe (1702), DaddyTorgo (1782), Pass (1789)
1 - PackerFanatic - The Jackal (1637)
3 - saldana - dubb (1684), Lerriuqs (1735), hoopsguy (1753)
1 - The Jackal - PurdueBrad (1766)

Yet to vote: Barkeep, Chief Rum, Telle

[Chief Rum]

VOTE SALDANA

The voting record stands out. Although I feel almost as iffy on clap as I do saldana, but clap has no votes. I'm not going to throw away my vote on a candidate in the running unless I am certain he is a wolf.

This does move it into a tie, and we don't know how that's resolved with Alan (The Arbitrator) gone. But I am okay with this, because Telle has yet to vote. I would be surprised if we ended up in a tie.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I really don't see the reason to vote Telle, and I think she should live.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE PURDUEBRAD

So after all that, you end up on PB after all? If he's still around, he's just going to vote Telle, and Telle will vote PB. Then we have a tie.

[Chief Rum]

Bueller...Bueller...

[Autumn]

Well, I've got to run. IN these few minutes I can't see anything compelling enough to switch me from Telle to Saldana. I'm worried about a tie but I'm afraid of making a last second switch when I haven't read up on the thread.

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by MartinD

Sorry for not responding sooner - got a bit of a gut feel from some of your posts on Day 1, and am looking over the Day 1 posts to find something for you to try to shoot down

Sorry Telle - can't find anything concrete at short notice. I trust my Day 1 feeling (and your rather suspicious voting pattern) enough to be confident in my vote, though.

[The Jackal]

just watched taken, pretty good action flick

hoops - excuse me if i missed it, but i don't know if you ever answered why you have PF as trusted - i saw your explanation in your rundown of what you felt on everyone but I don't see that as clearing him, and certainly not elevating into trusted.

PB - you do realize I'm not voting for you today and have sort've felt you were good for the past day and a half.. do you really want me to vote for you?

[Telle]

I'd rather vote for saldana than PB.. but I have to protect myself.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[Chief Rum]

Okay, not leaving it in a tie. If others jump on to vote, I will switch back to saldana, my intended target. But it's 5-5, 5 mins to deadline and no one's saying anything.

UNVOTE SALDANA

VOTE TELLE

He's being a whiny biatch, but I buy the logic tolet PB go another day on the assumption the seer will have scanned him (and that seer better have by now).

[DaddyTorgo]

well i don't see any great reasoning to vote for telle, i'm a bit perplexed how saldana became a huge candidate, and frankly i don't think there's anyone whose eyebrow is raised about how helpful hoops seems to be being as much as mine is

[The Jackal]

Updated count anyone?