The Official MLB 2007 Thread - Page 36

Lathum · 08-23-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

This has been a great series to watch.

it really has been

Logan · 08-23-2007, 09:19 PM

Jeff Conine and Sandy Alomar on the same field, and it's not even Old Timer's Day!

Logan · 08-23-2007, 09:25 PM

God I hate Heilman.

Lathum · 08-23-2007, 09:27 PM

Buccaneer · 08-23-2007, 09:36 PM

Whew.

Lathum · 08-23-2007, 09:48 PM

so annoying

Lathum · 08-23-2007, 09:49 PM

the game, not you bucc

lordscarlet · 08-24-2007, 06:01 AM

I need to go back and find the people that said the Nationals would have 100 losses.

sterlingice · 08-24-2007, 07:50 AM

Speaking of 100 losses, the Royals only need to win 7 of their last 36 to finally avoid 100 losses. 17-19 would get them less than 90 losses but the schedule down the stretch is tough with a ton of games against Detroit, Cleveland, and Minnesota

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Buccaneer · 08-24-2007, 09:11 PM

I think the Pads should move to New Jersey or something.

Good things happen when you go to Wally World.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-24-2007, 09:19 PM

Braves designated Bob Wickman for assignment.

Lathum · 08-24-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Braves designated Bob Wickman for assignment.

wow, really?

whose gonna close for them?

miami_fan · 08-24-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Braves designated Bob Wickman for assignment.

What was this move all about? It is a strange time for a team like the Braves to get rid of their closer. Have they tossed in the towel?

Lathum · 08-24-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

What was this move all about? It is a strange time for a team like the Braves to get rid of their closer. Have they tossed in the towel?

seems more like a move to send a message to the team

Logan · 08-24-2007, 11:15 PM

Word was he's pissed about how Cox was using him (bringing him into non-save situations). Then they had considered moving him to the set-up role, he got pissed again...DFAed.

larrymcg421 · 08-24-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Word was he's pissed about how Cox was using him (bringing him into non-save situations). Then they had considered moving him to the set-up role, he got pissed again...DFAed.

Yeah, apparently Andruw called Wickman out for this.

I fucking hate the save statistic.

sterlingice · 08-25-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Notes from the Pads/Phils tonight

Maddux became the first pitcher to win 10 games in 20 consecutive seasons, tossing seven solid innings in the San Diego Padres' 14-3 rout of the Philadelphia Phillies on Friday night.

Maddux (10-9) allowed three runs and seven hits, outpitching Jamie Moyer in a matchup of 40-something hurlers with a combined 570 wins.

Cy Young had 19 straight seasons with double-digit wins from 1891-1909. Maddux is tied with Nolan Ryan for second behind Don Sutton for most seasons with 10 wins. Sutton had 21.

"I didn't know that. That's cool," Maddux said, shrugging off his latest accomplishment.

How about surpassing Mike Maddux on San Diego's all-time list for wins? Mike had nine wins for the Padres in 1991-92.

"That's big," Greg said with a smile.

There's just never going to be another like him. I know there's a lot of sentiment that we may be watching the best pitcher ever and that it's Clemens. I think if anyone from this era is the best ever, it's Maddux and, again, there just won't be another like him. Not overpowering stuff, even in his prime, tho his fastball did tickle the mid 90s but with pinpoint control and all but defies DIPS with his ability to "pitch to contact" but without it killing him, despite only decent K rates but awesome BB rates. There's just something about a 78 pitch complete game that takes under 2 hours.

SI

Chief Rum · 08-25-2007, 01:49 AM

I think they're different sorts of pitchers. It's not so easy to compare. What is more important? Clemens' pinpoint control and blazing fastball? Maddux' studious command and control? Martinez's devastating movement? The Unit's "almost out of control" scariness?

None of them have been on teams that I followed, and in fact, they have generally been on teams I despised. But I am certainly happy to have been watching baseball when those four were pitching. Toss in the best closer in baseball history in Rivera and the potential for what Santana could become in the longterm, and it shows we have really been blessed with some amazing pitchers in this era.

DeToxRox · 08-25-2007, 02:07 AM

3 AM Est and the Tigs/Yanks are in the 11th

Chief Rum · 08-25-2007, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

3 AM Est and the Tigs/Yanks are in the 11th

Wow! I knew they had a rain delay and were still playing a bit ago, but I didn't put two and two together (with how late it must be). I thought the AL had a curfew? Or is that only during the work week?

DeToxRox · 08-25-2007, 02:32 AM

Carlos Guillen hits a 3 run walk off HR at 3:30 AM to end it

cmp · 08-25-2007, 02:35 AM

wow, great game

Chief Rum · 08-25-2007, 02:37 AM

Good for them. In the wildcard race, there is no winner in this game if you don't support one or the other. But I would rather the Tigers got there if it meant the Yanks were golfing early in October.

Of course, if my team can hold off the M's, well, I don't really care about the wildcard other than that it not be the Yankees.

Logan · 08-26-2007, 08:53 PM

David Wright's last 20 plate appearances have seen him reach base 17 times for an OBP of .850

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SackAttack · 08-26-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Good for them. In the wildcard race, there is no winner in this game if you don't support one or the other. But I would rather the Tigers got there if it meant the Yanks were golfing early in October.

Of course, if my team can hold off the M's, well, I don't really care about the wildcard other than that it not be the Yankees.

Chief, are you telling me you'd be okay with the Yankees, against whom y'all have had recent postseason success, winning the East while the Sox, who've had your number, take the wild card?

Chief Rum · 08-26-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Chief, are you telling me you'd be okay with the Yankees, against whom y'all have had recent postseason success, winning the East while the Sox, who've had your number, take the wild card?

Bah! Not worried about the Yanks catching the Sox.

Butter · 08-27-2007, 07:05 AM

The Reds are 10 under and only 6.5 out of the NL Central lead. The Central is such a joke again this year. Who among the Cubs, Brewers, and Cards will actually play like they want it down the stretch? Cubs and Brewers start a big series tomorrow night.

miami_fan · 08-27-2007, 02:26 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2993335

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HOUSTON -- Manager Phil Garner and general manager Tim Purpura were fired Monday by the Houston Astros, less than two years after leading the team to its first World Series appearance.

Bench coach Cecil Cooper was appointed interim manager and team president Tal Smith will serve as interim general manager.

"I felt this was the time for a change," owner Drayton McLane said. "I just think we needed a fresh start."

Atocep · 08-27-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2993335

Fired because the GM hasn't done anything and their scouting/drafting has been among the worst in baseball.

I doubt it was Garner's call to hit Biggio leadoff as much as he did, but if it was thats probably grounds for firing I guess.

dawgfan · 08-27-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

There's just never going to be another like him. I know there's a lot of sentiment that we may be watching the best pitcher ever and that it's Clemens. I think if anyone from this era is the best ever, it's Maddux and, again, there just won't be another like him. Not overpowering stuff, even in his prime, tho his fastball did tickle the mid 90s but with pinpoint control and all but defies DIPS with his ability to "pitch to contact" but without it killing him, despite only decent K rates but awesome BB rates. There's just something about a 78 pitch complete game that takes under 2 hours.

SI

The argument between Clemens and Maddux is an interesting one. I don't think anyone would deny that both guys are in the handful of best right-handed pitchers ever, and when you consider the ability level of athletes today you could very easily argue that these two guys are the top two in history.

While I think Clemens has a slight edge on Maddux due to more innings and a superior ERA+ (143 to 135), it's close enough that picking between the two guys is tough.

What I will take some exception to is the idea that Maddux is that he "defies DIPs", which is untrue. Lifetime, Clemens' BABIP is .287; Maddux's is .286. Because Maddux struck out a lower rate of guys than Clemens (8.59 per 9 IP vs. 6.13 per 9 IP), Maddux allowed more hits (8.43 per 9 IP vs. 7.66 per 9 IP). However, Maddux also walked fewer guys than Clemens (1.82 per 9 IP vs. 2.89 per 9 IP) and has a higher groundball to flyball ratio (2.34 vs. 1.45) so he was able to mostly mitigate his deficit in K rate. Let's also not forget that Maddux has had a decent K rate for most of his career.

But unless you can show that Maddux's defense behind him over the course of his career has been significantly inferior to Clemens', then you'd have to conclude that Maddux hasn't been any more "defiant" of DIPs theory than Clemens. They both appear to be slightly better than normal in terms of preventing hits on balls in play, but virtually equivalent to each other.

Young Drachma · 08-27-2007, 05:39 PM

Garner wasn't a good manager in Milwaukee and that team was so stacked two years ago that a rabbit could've managed them to the World Series.

I'm so tired of retreads getting jobs when Cito Gaston sits without a job to this day.

dawgfan · 08-27-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Well, I could put Bedard in the "Very Good" category - my issue with him is there's been enough variation in his performance over the last 4 seasons that I'm kind of waiting to see how he does next season to verify his improvement this year isn't just a career-year fluke. But yeah, he's not really "young" so much as "finally blossoming after years of potential".

As far as ERA+, according to both The Hardball Times and Baseball-Reference, Haren has a big edge on Bedard this year in ERA+ this year.

Looking at the numbers more (mostly Bedard's insane K rate this year) it's very difficult to argue that this season is a fluke - his BABIP rate and his LOB% aren't particularly out of the ordinary, and his HR/F% if anything is showing bad luck.

I'm moving Bedard out of the "Knocking on the door" category and into the top of the "Very Good", with him only needing to follow-up next year with a good season to promote him to "Elite" - dude is a flat-out stud. His huge jump in K-rate suggests he's made a big performance leap that isn't unheard of in pitchers (and something that makes them less easy to project than hitters). It's not impossible that this could be an Esteban Loaiza-type of fluke year, but it is unlikely.

Brillig · 08-27-2007, 10:01 PM

This is why baseball is a cool game: during tonight's Giants-Rockies telecast (FSN), the cameramen spotted a kid in the stands doing his own little 'broadcast'. He's got a laptop for stats and player info, got his scorecard and defense sheet, and a little headset with a mike. It's not clear whether he's just recording or actually broadcasting over the internet (the park is WiFi'd).

So this, in and of itself isn't too unexpected. But what should happen in the next inning but that the cameras catch Jon Miller (who was working radio with Dave Flemming) who has apparently escaped the booth for a bit and grabbed the seat next to the kid and chatted with him over the better part of an inning.

I have to think that was a great moment for that kid.

6th inning update: now they've brought the kid into the radio booth.

lighthousekeeper · 08-27-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillig

6th inning update: now they've brought the kid into the radio booth.

8th inning update: kid is arrested for re-broadcasting without the express written consent of major league baseball.

Brillig · 08-27-2007, 11:11 PM

Apparently you've confused MLB with the RIAA...

sterlingice · 08-28-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

8th inning update: kid is arrested for re-broadcasting without the express written consent of major league baseball.

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dawgfan · 08-28-2007, 09:34 PM

what better - Horacio Ramirez or Ervin Santana?

Neuqua · 08-28-2007, 09:51 PM

Cubs with a BIG come from behind win against Milwaukee to take game 1 in the series.

sterlingice · 08-28-2007, 10:24 PM

Trivia question for the day: Who has the lowest ERA among qualified rookies in baseball? No, it's not Matsuzaka. He's actually 3rd.

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Chief Rum · 08-28-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

what better - Horacio Ramirez or Ervin Santana?

Man, you're telling me. The mystifying love affair that is the relationships between Santana and Angels management is frustrating for any fan.

It took four months of awful--and I mean awful--pitching before they finally sent Santana down. Dustin Moseley steps in and pitches great. Well, not great, but he was doing what a fifth starter does--keeps us in the game.

Meanwhile, Santana is pitching at AAA--and getting blown out. Six to seven runs every game. Despite this, Scioscia keeps coming out and saying the Angels like what they have seen from Santana, that is velocity is good and he's doing the things they want him to do to get back into form. But, umm, Mike, he's still getting blitzed, and now it's by AAA hitters.

So we reach the need for a starter when we had a double header versus the Sox ten days ago. Against conventional wisdom (Santana is amazingly bad on the road), they start him in Fenway, and he actually pitches well. Best game he's pitched in four months, majors or minors. Apparently the Angels have never heard of proving it over the longterm.

Moseley had been very solid for us, but now they bump him back to the pen and stick Santana back in the rotation. Last Thursday, Santana pretty much blows the game against the Jays himself. If you could see 'lack of confidence', you wouldn't have been able to see the field around Santana. Do the Angels take the hint? No, of course not. Let's start him on the road against the M's in the biggest series of the year!

Tonight speaks for itself. Five runs allowed in the first. Only gets one batter out. Moseley comes in and has now pitched five-plus scoreless innings and we have tied it up. We would be winning if Angels management pulled their collective head out of their ass and stopped rolling Santana out there. This guy needs long term--long term--success somewhere other than a pennant race to get back to form. He shouldn't be near this club.

I am praying, just praying, this will finally wake someone up, and Santana will be sent back to AAA where he belongs. Ugh.

Atocep · 08-28-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Trivia question for the day: Who has the lowest ERA among qualified rookies in baseball? No, it's not Matsuzaka. He's actually 3rd.

SI

My first guess would have been Guthrie, but since a royals fan is asking I'm going to guess Bannister (I think he still qualifies as a rookie).

sterlingice · 08-28-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

My first guess would have been Guthrie, but since a royals fan is asking I'm going to guess Bannister (I think he still qualifies as a rookie).

Yeah, you got #2 (Guthrie, 3.46) and #1 (Bannister, 11-7 3.27 ERA after tonight). Bannister only had 38 IP coming into the year.

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dawgfan · 08-28-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Man, you're telling me. The mystifying love affair that is the relationships between Santana and Angels management is frustrating for any fan.

I just think it's very sporting of the Angels to have put Santana back in the rotation to give them an equally bad 5th starter as the Mariners.

Regardless of how this one turns out, tomorrow should be a fun one with Weaver and Felix going at it.

dawgfan · 08-29-2007, 01:07 PM

Angels fans really have nothing to worry about from the M's - regardless of whatever talent we have on our roster, John McLaren will take a page out of Mike Hargrove's book and refuse to maximize that talent with his idiotic strategic decisions and lineups.

Lathum · 08-29-2007, 09:02 PM

Nice try Marlon

Logan · 08-29-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Nice try Marlon

Fucking retarded Marlon. You have to read how slowly that ball is moving, see Rollins double-clutch the ball, and not try to pull an Albert-Belle-on-Fernando-Vina.

SackAttack · 08-29-2007, 09:16 PM

I know it's just the Nationals, but damn was that a gut-check win. Ace gets blitzed, come back from down 8-3 to win in extra innings.

Buccaneer · 08-29-2007, 10:50 PM

Can someone tell the Pads to give Maddux some run support?

sterlingice · 08-29-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Can someone tell the Pads to give Maddux some run support?

DBacks fans could say the same about Micah Owings

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sterlingice · 08-29-2007, 11:07 PM

Speaking of which, does anyone have a site that has run support for this season?

SI

08-24-2007, 06:01 AM	#1758
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08-24-2007, 07:50 AM	#1759
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Speaking of 100 losses, the Royals only need to win 7 of their last 36 to finally avoid 100 losses. 17-19 would get them less than 90 losses but the schedule down the stretch is tough with a ton of games against Detroit, Cleveland, and Minnesota SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-24-2007, 09:19 PM	#1761
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Braves designated Bob Wickman for assignment. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-27-2007, 07:05 AM	#1777
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	The Reds are 10 under and only 6.5 out of the NL Central lead. The Central is such a joke again this year. Who among the Cubs, Brewers, and Cards will actually play like they want it down the stretch? Cubs and Brewers start a big series tomorrow night. __________________ My listening habits Last edited by Butter : 08-27-2007 at 07:05 AM.

08-27-2007, 05:39 PM	#1781
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08-23-2007, 09:19 PM	#1752
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Jeff Conine and Sandy Alomar on the same field, and it's not even Old Timer's Day!

08-23-2007, 09:25 PM	#1753
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	God I hate Heilman.

08-23-2007, 09:27 PM	#1754
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	arg

08-23-2007, 09:36 PM	#1755
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Whew.

08-23-2007, 09:48 PM	#1756
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so annoying

08-23-2007, 09:49 PM	#1757
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	the game, not you bucc

08-24-2007, 09:11 PM	#1760
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I think the Pads should move to New Jersey or something. Good things happen when you go to Wally World.

08-24-2007, 11:15 PM	#1765
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Word was he's pissed about how Cox was using him (bringing him into non-save situations). Then they had considered moving him to the set-up role, he got pissed again...DFAed.

08-25-2007, 01:49 AM	#1768
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I think they're different sorts of pitchers. It's not so easy to compare. What is more important? Clemens' pinpoint control and blazing fastball? Maddux' studious command and control? Martinez's devastating movement? The Unit's "almost out of control" scariness? None of them have been on teams that I followed, and in fact, they have generally been on teams I despised. But I am certainly happy to have been watching baseball when those four were pitching. Toss in the best closer in baseball history in Rivera and the potential for what Santana could become in the longterm, and it shows we have really been blessed with some amazing pitchers in this era.

08-25-2007, 02:07 AM	#1769
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	3 AM Est and the Tigs/Yanks are in the 11th

08-25-2007, 02:32 AM	#1771
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Carlos Guillen hits a 3 run walk off HR at 3:30 AM to end it

08-25-2007, 02:35 AM	#1772
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	wow, great game

08-25-2007, 02:37 AM	#1773
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Good for them. In the wildcard race, there is no winner in this game if you don't support one or the other. But I would rather the Tigers got there if it meant the Yanks were golfing early in October. Of course, if my team can hold off the M's, well, I don't really care about the wildcard other than that it not be the Yankees.

08-26-2007, 08:53 PM	#1774
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	David Wright's last 20 plate appearances have seen him reach base 17 times for an OBP of .850 .

08-27-2007, 10:01 PM	#1783
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	This is why baseball is a cool game: during tonight's Giants-Rockies telecast (FSN), the cameramen spotted a kid in the stands doing his own little 'broadcast'. He's got a laptop for stats and player info, got his scorecard and defense sheet, and a little headset with a mike. It's not clear whether he's just recording or actually broadcasting over the internet (the park is WiFi'd). So this, in and of itself isn't too unexpected. But what should happen in the next inning but that the cameras catch Jon Miller (who was working radio with Dave Flemming) who has apparently escaped the booth for a bit and grabbed the seat next to the kid and chatted with him over the better part of an inning. I have to think that was a great moment for that kid. 6th inning update: now they've brought the kid into the radio booth. Last edited by Brillig : 08-27-2007 at 10:47 PM.

08-27-2007, 11:11 PM	#1785
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Apparently you've confused MLB with the RIAA...

08-28-2007, 09:34 PM	#1787
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	what better - Horacio Ramirez or Ervin Santana?

08-28-2007, 09:51 PM	#1788
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Cubs with a BIG come from behind win against Milwaukee to take game 1 in the series. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

08-28-2007, 10:24 PM	#1789
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Trivia question for the day: Who has the lowest ERA among qualified rookies in baseball? No, it's not Matsuzaka. He's actually 3rd. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-29-2007, 01:07 PM	#1794
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	Angels fans really have nothing to worry about from the M's - regardless of whatever talent we have on our roster, John McLaren will take a page out of Mike Hargrove's book and refuse to maximize that talent with his idiotic strategic decisions and lineups.

08-29-2007, 09:02 PM	#1795
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Nice try Marlon

08-29-2007, 09:16 PM	#1797
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I know it's just the Nationals, but damn was that a gut-check win. Ace gets blitzed, come back from down 8-3 to win in extra innings.

08-29-2007, 10:50 PM	#1798
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Can someone tell the Pads to give Maddux some run support?

08-29-2007, 11:07 PM	#1800
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Speaking of which, does anyone have a site that has run support for this season? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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