Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!) - Page 36

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Were I the wolf I'd kill PB and you don't have a chance of taking out Neon. The game would be stalemate. As a wolf I'd have just talked myself out of a win by joining with PB to a stalemate.

Yes, but oh look, you just switched. Funny that. Isn't it.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 08:55 AM

Well, I'm not going to snipe back and forth with Narc on this. It's silly.

I've made my case, and it doesn't sound like PB's coming back anyway. I know I'm not a wolf and Narc has done about a half-dozen wolfy things (including that whole suggest a stalemate -> take one reply by me -> magically "change" his mind)

I doubt I'll check in again before deadline.

Neon_Chaos · 05-15-2008, 09:10 AM

Fun Fun Fun

Unvote No Lynch
Vote Narcizo

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 09:11 AM

Yeah, but you see, 100 different shades of stupid as I am, I still wasn't sure who the wolf was. You, basically, admitted that you don't want to die even if it gave the white team victory. What more do I need?

Neon_Chaos · 05-15-2008, 09:13 AM

I know who the wolf is.

It's pretty obvious, isn't it?

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Yeah, but you see, 100 different shades of stupid as I am, I still wasn't sure who the wolf was. You, basically, admitted that you don't want to die even if it gave the white team victory. What more do I need?

Wait wait wait, where did I say such a thing? If my death secured white victory, I'd certainly take that.

The catch is, it doesn't.

If I die, that leaves you, PB, and the two kings.

No matter who you slice as the wolf being left, it's unlikely to result in a white victory.

In fact, *Pass*, can you clarify here? If it's say, 2 white queens (owned by 1 player) and the 2 kings left is that scored a stalemate, a white win or game-on (and if so, for how long, as I'd surmise given the POV issues it'd be hard for even 2 queens to mate the king)

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 09:44 AM

I've been talking to Pass about this as well. He won't give an answer.

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 09:46 AM

Well in that case which ever way you slice it I'm shagged.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 09:46 AM

If that scenario is scored as a white win, then I say we don't move any votes. It's a 3-3 tie, you and I will both die, one of us is surely the wolf and all's well that ends well.

If it's not a white win though, which is what only you have assumed, then that is a completely unnacceptable outcome to me, yes. Given that with the fact that even a 2 queen vs 1 king advantage I don't think white can win that in a timely enough fashion to not just be called a stalemate. And no offense to PB here, but he's admitted as much that he isn't a chess player. I'm a moderate one at best, maybe a tick or two more experienced than PB and I think I'd have a difficult time pulling that off.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I've been talking to Pass about this as well. He won't give an answer.

That's crap. I think we really should get an answer on how that is judged. I mean theoretically if it's just PB and the two kings then:

- PB and NTN vote No Lynch every day
- There are no wolf night kills
- It's a big cloudy game of chess

It could concievably never end. My guess is that'd be a stalemate after X number of turns.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 09:48 AM

Of course that's going off of that fact that the <1% chance PB is the masterful last wolf. I'm assuming that isn't the case, and frankly, if it is, then he deserves it.

Passacaglia · 05-15-2008, 09:49 AM

I'll clarify a little by putting it this way: I won't keep the game going unnecessarily, but I will keep the game going if something other than a White win is a possibility.

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 09:49 AM

Unless PB is the wolf.

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 09:50 AM

Looks like I did fuck up letting mccollins die. You're never going to believe that I'm not the wolf Heinz, right?

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 09:55 AM

Oops! Naughty word. Am I allowed to edit?

Passacaglia · 05-15-2008, 09:58 AM

I guess, if you really want to.

Passacaglia · 05-15-2008, 10:06 AM

Sorry, I've rethought this. If it's the Kings and a White villager, White wins. I was thinking that there would be some doubt as to whether the last non-King player was a wolf, so people would have to decide whether to vote No Lynch or not, but if the last player was a wolf, the wolves would have already won -- so at that point, I'd call the game for White.

Neon_Chaos · 05-15-2008, 10:14 AM

Unvote Narcizo

Vote jeheinz

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 10:16 AM

But if the bodyguard is alive he can protect himself. Heinz?

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:16 AM

Neon, you prefer a wolf win to a white win I take it?

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 10:20 AM

Unvote Heinz
Vote PB

I can't do this all afternoon. No way a white villager votes for me under these circumstances.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:21 AM

I'm so bleeping confused right now

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 10:21 AM

I mean, to save me.

Narcizo · 05-15-2008, 10:22 AM

Neon, it's up to you. Stalemate or wolf win?

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:23 AM

Ok, here's how I have it

jeheinz: Neon, PB x 2 (3)
Narc: NTN and me (2)
PB: Narc (1)

I'd go home and Narc night kills PB. Wolves win.

But Narc wants me to make it 3-2-1 with votes for PB in 2nd. Same end result.

Basically Neon is throwing the white team under the bus because we took his queen when he told us who his queen was

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:29 AM

Neon - One last imploration to your sense of right here. This is a look at the vote count right preceeding your reveal about CR (literally typed as you typed)

Chief Rum (6): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X), Lathum (897), mccollins (900)

Lathum (5): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Neon Chaos (850), Narcizo (887)

st.cronin (3): Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857)

No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), RendeR

Knowing what we know now, CR had 15 votes, Lathum 8. Additionally, of CR's 15 votes, the majority, 9 were coming from black players (2 sets of pawns and Lathum). Even if all the white folks pulled *off* of CR and voted elsewhere (as in not Lathum either, a black bishop), CR gets lynched 9-8.

C'mon man, let's take the wolves down here, but realistic about it.

ntndeacon · 05-15-2008, 10:45 AM

NArcizo, vote back for heinz. please. If you are a villager do that. I will explain after the day.

ntndeacon · 05-15-2008, 10:47 AM

actually heinz it is 3-2 now for Narcizo. Neon voted for him.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:49 AM

At this point I'd rather vote NTN and let him sort it all out

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

actually heinz it is 3-2 now for Narcizo. Neon voted for him.

No, Neon unvoted him and voted me.

ntndeacon · 05-15-2008, 10:49 AM

keep your vote where it is heinz

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

At this point I'd rather vote NTN and let him sort it all out

Of course, admiteddly, that's easy for me to say when I'm the one about to get lynched!

ntndeacon · 05-15-2008, 10:49 AM

ok imissed that

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

keep your vote where it is heinz

But then we lose.

Narc night kills PB and that's a wrap.

ntndeacon · 05-15-2008, 10:50 AM

then I need Narcizo to vote for himself
If he comes on

ntndeacon · 05-15-2008, 10:51 AM

changing it to me wont help. Neon wont go for that and PB's votes are fixed

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:51 AM

I think we're S-O-L.

ntndeacon · 05-15-2008, 10:52 AM

probably, but leave it there on the off chance Narcizo shows up

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:52 AM

Damn that Art Institute.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

probably, but leave it there on the off chance Narcizo shows up

Yeah, nothing else to do about it. Switching to PB doesn't help. Neon is likely in bed, we can't even let him pick.

Passacaglia · 05-15-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Damn that Art Institute.

If it's any consolation, my mom and I saw Elvis Costello last time I was at the Art Institute.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If it's any consolation, my mom and I saw Elvis Costello last time I was at the Art Institute.

It's not.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 10:57 AM

This thread was missing the Ketchup Porn.

The Jackal · 05-15-2008, 11:00 AM

See now that's art Heinz, that's what PB should be showing his students.

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 11:01 AM

Passacaglia · 05-15-2008, 11:04 AM

Vote count:

Quote:

Narcizo -- jeheinz72 (1721), ntndeacon (1737)
Neon_Chaos --
jeheinz72 -- PurdueBrad (1741), Neon_Chaos (1768)
No Lynch --
PurdueBrad -- Narcizo (1771)

Passacaglia · 05-15-2008, 11:04 AM

For the second time, the pieces decide that two of their kind are worthy of lynching. They string up both Narcizo and jeheinz72, hoping that salvation is finally upon them. Narcizo and jeheinz72 were White Rooks! Narcizo sobs uncontrollably as he faces his doom, while jeheinz72 howls like mad. Narcizo was a villager, and jeheinz72 was a wolf!

As night falls, White King ntndeacon and his two White Queens, PurdueBrad, gang up on Black King Neon_Chaos, proclaiming their victory. White wins!

jeheinz72 · 05-15-2008, 11:06 AM

Well, I tried my best. If only Neon listened to me.

claphamsa · 05-15-2008, 11:07 AM

booooo

The Jackal · 05-15-2008, 11:07 AM

That was a fun game, the wolves were lucky to be in a position to win at the end there. Damn you PB, damn you and your Penguins too.

05-15-2008, 09:10 AM	#1753
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Fun Fun Fun Unvote No Lynch Vote Narcizo __________________ Come and see.

05-15-2008, 09:13 AM	#1755
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I know who the wolf is. It's pretty obvious, isn't it? __________________ Come and see.

05-15-2008, 10:14 AM	#1768
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Unvote Narcizo Vote jeheinz __________________ Come and see.

05-15-2008, 11:01 AM	#1795
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Haha

05-15-2008, 11:07 AM	#1799
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	booooo __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-15-2008, 08:55 AM	#1752
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Well, I'm not going to snipe back and forth with Narc on this. It's silly. I've made my case, and it doesn't sound like PB's coming back anyway. I know I'm not a wolf and Narc has done about a half-dozen wolfy things (including that whole suggest a stalemate -> take one reply by me -> magically "change" his mind) I doubt I'll check in again before deadline.

05-15-2008, 09:11 AM	#1754
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Yeah, but you see, 100 different shades of stupid as I am, I still wasn't sure who the wolf was. You, basically, admitted that you don't want to die even if it gave the white team victory. What more do I need?

05-15-2008, 09:44 AM	#1757
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I've been talking to Pass about this as well. He won't give an answer.

05-15-2008, 09:46 AM	#1758
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Well in that case which ever way you slice it I'm shagged.

05-15-2008, 09:46 AM	#1759
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	If that scenario is scored as a white win, then I say we don't move any votes. It's a 3-3 tie, you and I will both die, one of us is surely the wolf and all's well that ends well. If it's not a white win though, which is what only you have assumed, then that is a completely unnacceptable outcome to me, yes. Given that with the fact that even a 2 queen vs 1 king advantage I don't think white can win that in a timely enough fashion to not just be called a stalemate. And no offense to PB here, but he's admitted as much that he isn't a chess player. I'm a moderate one at best, maybe a tick or two more experienced than PB and I think I'd have a difficult time pulling that off.

05-15-2008, 09:48 AM	#1761
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Of course that's going off of that fact that the <1% chance PB is the masterful last wolf. I'm assuming that isn't the case, and frankly, if it is, then he deserves it.

05-15-2008, 09:49 AM	#1762
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I'll clarify a little by putting it this way: I won't keep the game going unnecessarily, but I will keep the game going if something other than a White win is a possibility.

05-15-2008, 09:49 AM	#1763
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Unless PB is the wolf.

05-15-2008, 09:50 AM	#1764
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Looks like I did fuck up letting mccollins die. You're never going to believe that I'm not the wolf Heinz, right?

05-15-2008, 09:55 AM	#1765
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Oops! Naughty word. Am I allowed to edit?

05-15-2008, 09:58 AM	#1766
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I guess, if you really want to.

05-15-2008, 10:06 AM	#1767
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Sorry, I've rethought this. If it's the Kings and a White villager, White wins. I was thinking that there would be some doubt as to whether the last non-King player was a wolf, so people would have to decide whether to vote No Lynch or not, but if the last player was a wolf, the wolves would have already won -- so at that point, I'd call the game for White.

05-15-2008, 10:16 AM	#1769
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	But if the bodyguard is alive he can protect himself. Heinz?

05-15-2008, 10:16 AM	#1770
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Neon, you prefer a wolf win to a white win I take it?

05-15-2008, 10:20 AM	#1771
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Unvote Heinz Vote PB I can't do this all afternoon. No way a white villager votes for me under these circumstances.

05-15-2008, 10:21 AM	#1772
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I'm so bleeping confused right now

05-15-2008, 10:21 AM	#1773
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I mean, to save me.

05-15-2008, 10:22 AM	#1774
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Neon, it's up to you. Stalemate or wolf win?

05-15-2008, 10:23 AM	#1775
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Ok, here's how I have it jeheinz: Neon, PB x 2 (3) Narc: NTN and me (2) PB: Narc (1) I'd go home and Narc night kills PB. Wolves win. But Narc wants me to make it 3-2-1 with votes for PB in 2nd. Same end result. Basically Neon is throwing the white team under the bus because we took his queen when he told us who his queen was

05-15-2008, 10:29 AM	#1776
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Neon - One last imploration to your sense of right here. This is a look at the vote count right preceeding your reveal about CR (literally typed as you typed) Chief Rum (6): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X), Lathum (897), mccollins (900) Lathum (5): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Neon Chaos (850), Narcizo (887) st.cronin (3): Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857) No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861) The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638) Not voted: NTN (invalid), RendeR Knowing what we know now, CR had 15 votes, Lathum 8. Additionally, of CR's 15 votes, the majority, 9 were coming from black players (2 sets of pawns and Lathum). Even if all the white folks pulled off of CR and voted elsewhere (as in not Lathum either, a black bishop), CR gets lynched 9-8. C'mon man, let's take the wolves down here, but realistic about it.

05-15-2008, 10:45 AM	#1777
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	NArcizo, vote back for heinz. please. If you are a villager do that. I will explain after the day.

05-15-2008, 10:47 AM	#1778
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	actually heinz it is 3-2 now for Narcizo. Neon voted for him.

05-15-2008, 10:49 AM	#1779
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	At this point I'd rather vote NTN and let him sort it all out

05-15-2008, 10:49 AM	#1781
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	keep your vote where it is heinz

05-15-2008, 10:49 AM	#1783
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	ok imissed that

05-15-2008, 10:50 AM	#1785
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	then I need Narcizo to vote for himself If he comes on

05-15-2008, 10:51 AM	#1786
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	changing it to me wont help. Neon wont go for that and PB's votes are fixed

05-15-2008, 10:51 AM	#1787
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I think we're S-O-L.

05-15-2008, 10:52 AM	#1788
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	probably, but leave it there on the off chance Narcizo shows up

05-15-2008, 10:52 AM	#1789
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Damn that Art Institute.