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Old 09-12-2005, 01:11 PM   #1751
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Well, if I get barkeep before he reads the message, I guess I could change my action, but I haven't heard a compelling reason not to do what I have decided to do.

Plus, I won't be here to tell you guys about my scan even if I scan someone, so what to do?
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:11 PM   #1752
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hoops, I agree with your list completely, except I would bum SunDevils up to medium -- he distributed phasers before Schmidty was cleared, and Schmidty wasn't exactly acting very trustworthy before that.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:11 PM   #1753
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uck is right. There was no reason to bring RA alive, not worth it. Ah well.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:12 PM   #1754
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We really NEED to vote someone off today. I'm curious why Lathum hasn't used his ability.

Lathum's high on my list of suspects right now.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:12 PM   #1755
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Well, I've stated why I think it's right, and now I really have to go. Good luck gentlemen -- the longer it takes us to find more spawn, the more difficult our task becomes.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:13 PM   #1756
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I would expect every trust list to include themselves as absolute. And I have absolutely zero idea where I would appear on other people's lists. I post a lot during these games. People do have a tendence to get defensive when they don't look good in my posted thoughts. Which usually makes them think I'm trying to set them up, rather than trying to generate discussion.

Edit - changed "survivor list" to "trust list"

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Old 09-12-2005, 01:17 PM   #1757
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:22 PM   #1758
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Ardent, KWhit, RealDeal, and Lathum - based on my trust list you should be able to get a general sense for where I'm headed with my water choices. If you would like to help me with deciding how to allocate water this evening please post your thoughts. I'll try to avoid making you guys issue orders on this if you are not inclined to do so.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:22 PM   #1759
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Well, apparently Vince is not listening to reason. I think today's vote needs to come out of the list that RealDeal provided since none of them have been scanned or cleared by anyone:

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bug, sndlvs, lathum, blade, fouts and hoops are in that group. Probably some others too.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:23 PM   #1760
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If Raiders Army doesn't come out of the coma this afternoon then I would suggest that our security staff (and/or the slayer) consider guarding Penny tonight.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:24 PM   #1761
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After much discussion Vince decides that his first duty is to his patient, especially a patient that could provide valuable information to the crew if his ministrations are successful. Vince decides he is going to attempt to bring Raiders Army out of his coma.

He goes into the sickbay for several hours. The crew waits anxiously, and some a bit upset at what they feel is a waste of the doctor's time. Finally Vince comes out.

"Well I was unsuccessful. I tried an agressive drug regiment and while I know I was close to bringing him out, I ultimately failed. Tomorrow after the drugs have worn off I could try again..." his voice fades for a minute. "I'm sorry guys." and then even more softly "I'm sorry Raiders."
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:24 PM   #1762
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If Vince is going to try to revive RA, then no use lynching him...

unvote RA

As far as who to kill, I'll start the ball rolling: not cleared, way the hell under the radar so far:

vote Bug
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:25 PM   #1763
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Until Lathum comes forward and states why he hasn't used his power, I'm going to Vote Lathum
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:25 PM   #1764
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Or we could consider throwing Pennywise in the brig tonight to protect.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:26 PM   #1765
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Lathum or Bug, let's hurry up and one pick one and not have a repeat of yesterday.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:26 PM   #1766
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I dont want to mess with the brig lineup. We know Vince is safe with the four we are putting in right now.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:26 PM   #1767
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Great job Vince. Damnit. I also think I need to be protected now tonight so that I can be promoted tomorrow.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:27 PM   #1768
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If we lose I blame Vince .
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:28 PM   #1769
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Vince, are you going to want to try and revive Raiders again tomorrow?

This scenario is exactly the one I didn't want to have happen - Vince makes the decision, Raiders is not awake.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:30 PM   #1770
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And 2ap wasted.
Try again tomorrow.
2 more ap wasted.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:31 PM   #1771
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Vince, are you going to want to try and revive Raiders again tomorrow?

This scenario is exactly the one I didn't want to have happen - Vince makes the decision, Raiders is not awake.

That was a disaster. Now we get no scans and no new info. I hope we don't decide to repeat this tomorrow.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:32 PM   #1772
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We didn't decide to today. I hope Vince doesn't decide to tomorrow.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:33 PM   #1773
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I dont want to mess with the brig lineup. We know Vince is safe with the four we are putting in right now.

RD, whats the brig lineup again, I'm too lazy to try to find it
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:33 PM   #1774
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Yeah, that was a horrible idea. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In fact, I'm voting for RA now just to make sure we never waste another scan on reviving him.

unvote Bug

vote RA
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:34 PM   #1775
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birg lineup is AE, me, Vince, and Mr. Wednesday
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:35 PM   #1776
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I'm agreeing, time to cut our losses and move forward

Vote RA
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:37 PM   #1777
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Ardent, KWhit, RealDeal, and Lathum - based on my trust list you should be able to get a general sense for where I'm headed with my water choices. If you would like to help me with deciding how to allocate water this evening please post your thoughts. I'll try to avoid making you guys issue orders on this if you are not inclined to do so.

I'm fine with whatever decision you make.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:38 PM   #1778
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Yeah, that was a horrible idea. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In fact, I'm voting for RA now just to make sure we never waste another scan on reviving him.

unvote Bug

vote RA

We need to make sure everyone jumps on this then or else we are wasting votes. unvote Lathum
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:39 PM   #1779
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:40 PM   #1780
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Fine RA. What do you have to say in your defense.

Oh wait .
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:41 PM   #1781
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Fine RA. What do you have to say in your defense.

Oh wait .
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:43 PM   #1782
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He looks dead to me.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:57 PM   #1783
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We still need to have phasers allocated for tonight. I'm hoping that everyone who can carry one will be packing heat tonight.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:07 PM   #1784
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I was suspicious of saldana, so I watched him all night. He slept in his bed the whole time, lazy engineers. To me, that clears saldana and pass.

I think voting for RA is a wasted vote. Just ration water away from him. Hoops knows how to do this, just change the name of the water to dart and he'll know what to do.

I'm going to vote for Lathum or Bug. Neither has been useful enough to give water to.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:09 PM   #1785
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If we vote for him tonight Penny can be a nurse more quickly, that's the thinking. Otherwise, yes, it would be a waste.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:10 PM   #1786
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Relationships, as defined by others:
Ardent - scanned by Vince (Day 1)
Kwhit - never scanned. Says Absolute Trust (AT) with Penny, but no one has claimed him yet
RealDeal - never scanned.
Lathum - never scanned.
Saldana - never scanned. Slept while I was attacked Night 4, per Fouts
MrWed - never scanned.
MrBug - never scanned.
Jeff - loose association with Fouts based on role information (spy/vigilante - Day 4)
Bek - invoked in AT by Pennywise (Day 5)
Vince - scanned by RealDeal (Day 2)
Pennywise - never scanned, invoked in AT by Kwhit (Day 5)
SnDvls - never scanned
Blade6119 - never scanned
Hoopsguy - never scanned
Fouts - loose associateion with Jeff based on role information (Spy/Vigilante - Day 4)
Schmidty - scanned by Vince (Day 4)
Passacaglia - scanned by RealDeal (Day 2)

So the groupings, as I can see them are:
1.) RealDeal/MrW/Passacaglia/Vince/Schmidty/Ardent
2.) Jeff/Fouts/Saldana
3.) KWhit/Pennywise/Bek

Not linked with anyone - Lathum, MrBug, SnDvls, Hoopsguy, Blade

Not listed - Raiders Army (coma)


Does anyone resent the group they are listed with? The one group includes six people, who are linked to each other based on events over a period of days, for example. Or does anyone think they should be tied to someone that is not listed here?


Edited to change status on Saldana, group him with Fouts and thus Jeff (transitive).

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Old 09-12-2005, 02:10 PM   #1787
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Vote Lathum.

I don't think we should vote for RA - seems like a waste to me.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:11 PM   #1788
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Fouts, water takes two days. Dart is quicker
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:12 PM   #1789
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If we vote for him tonight Penny can be a nurse more quickly, that's the thinking. Otherwise, yes, it would be a waste.

That's true, and a good point I had forgotten about. Hmmm..... Still thinking.

Unvote Lathum.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:16 PM   #1790
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Ok, following Hoops lead.

Absolute
1.) Fouts - I am a survivor, I do my job every night (with or without a phaser)

High
1.) jeff - spied on him early, was working, claimed vigilante (nobody disputed)
2.) saldana - slept while hoops claimed he was attacked.
3.) Realdeal - helped lynch dubb over Vince
4.) Vince - claimed 2 people attacked him in the brig, led to dubb's lynching
5.) Ardent - cast tie-breaker vote to hang a spawn on Day 1.
6.) MrWednesday - contributed to taking down Dubb
6.) Raiders Army - coma, can't do anything
7.) Schmidty - cleared by Vince
8.) Passacaglia - cleared by RealDeal, was right about saldana

Medium
1.) Blade - works the brig, claimed a secret role.
2.) KWhit - absolute trust group (but they don't all know who is in it??)
3.) Bek - absolute trust. Why is he exhausted today?
4.) Pennywise - was in brig with Vince when he was attacked by 2-3 spawn. Vouched for by KWhit in Absolute Trust
5.) Hoops - lot of analysis, claimed attacked, guards water (which has never been attacked). Nobody has vouched for him though.

Low
1.) Lathum - not using his interrogation option, inactive throughout the game
2.) MrBug - inactive, waste of water
3.) SnDvls - same reasons about the phasers, and doesn't do much outside of handing out phasers

Let's lynch the guys who aren't helping at this point. Saves us water.

Edited: added Hoops to Medium.

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Old 09-12-2005, 02:16 PM   #1791
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:17 PM   #1792
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I worry that Lathum has had a bad schedule and that is why we are voting him off. But he can also order me to provide him water, while other candidates that I suspect do not have that power.

Fouts - do you still suspect Blade or do you think that the action Friday evening was just an escalation between two crewmembers suspicious of each other and that better options have emerged?
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:19 PM   #1793
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So the groupings, as I can see them are:
1.) RealDeal/MrW/Passacaglia/Vince/Schmidty/Ardent
2.) Jeff/Fouts
3.) KWhit/Pennywise/Bek

Not linked with anyone - Lathum, Saldana, MrBug, SnDvls, Hoopsguy, Blade

Not listed - Raiders Army (coma)


Does anyone resent the group they are listed with? The one group includes six people, who are linked to each other based on events over a period of days, for example. Or does anyone think they should be tied to someone that is not listed here?

This is very good. I like grouping people together, so if one falls, they all fall.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:19 PM   #1794
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Just out of curiousity, where am I at on your list Fouts?
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:24 PM   #1795
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A couple of people I don't trust. I'm not sure Lathum is one of them.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:24 PM   #1796
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I worry that Lathum has had a bad schedule and that is why we are voting him off. But he can also order me to provide him water, while other candidates that I suspect do not have that power.

Fouts - do you still suspect Blade or do you think that the action Friday evening was just an escalation between two crewmembers suspicious of each other and that better options have emerged?

Well, he pulled out a secret role (gut feeling). He received the proper amount of votes for it. I have moved him off my radar because of it.

It feels to me like there is 1 spawn left. We either need more scans or the last guy to slip up. I'm afraid we don't have enough water to wait for him to screw up.

Can I at least get a phaser to defend myself tonight?
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:26 PM   #1797
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I wish Bek was more active than he is.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:27 PM   #1798
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I wish Bek was more active than he is.

Can you explain why he is exhausted? Same with Vince earlier in the game. I just don't get it.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:27 PM   #1799
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I'd imagine Bek could clear Kwhit, to the point I'm assuming that's the case.
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