Console Discussion/E3/Tokyo Game Show Thread

[NobodyHere]

Sounds about right, considering the OR devkit2 is going for $350

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Lots of chatter about the X1 price drop on the Titanfall bundle. You have to give give MS some credit. They're selling the farm to try to be competitive at this point. The bundles didn't fly off the shelves like they anticipated, so they're dropping it further to make sure the consoles at least move. They can't afford to continue to have the supply lines clogged with inventory.

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[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Lots of chatter about the X1 price drop on the Titanfall bundle. You have to give give MS some credit. They're selling the farm to try to be competitive at this point. The bundles didn't fly off the shelves like they anticipated, so they're dropping it further to make sure the consoles at least move. They can't afford to continue to have the supply lines clogged with inventory.

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So they've essentially went to $399 with the Titanfall bundle which you said wouldn't happen.

[Eaglesfan27]

Microsoft is smart getting the price down quickly, something Sony should have done last generation.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

So they've essentially went to $399 with the Titanfall bundle which you said wouldn't happen.

$450=$399? Interesting math.

Anyone who spins this as a positive is fooling themselves. The good news for consumers is that they dropped the price. The bad news is that they had to drop the price so quickly. Second time since launch they've discounted consoles quickly and demonstrated to possible buyers that they're better off waiting to buy their console. They're bleeding money at a point in the life cycle where they likely did not plan to do so. It's not a good situation.

Meanwhile, PS4's continue to fly off the shelves and Sony hasn't had to use up any of its incentive options yet and likely won't have to do so until fall at the very earliest.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that MS makes the move to $399 (regardless of whether Kinect is included or not) by September. Sony can create a bundle or drop $50-100 at that time should they choose to do so and MS would be dead in the water all over again. Sony holds all the cards at this point.

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Microsoft is smart getting the price down quickly, something Sony should have done last generation.

Very true. Sony should have moved earlier last generation, though as we see here, it may not make a difference anyway. But it at least prolongs the hope.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

$450=$399? Interesting math.

$449 including a game means you're essentially getting the console with the Kinect included for $399. I'm sure you know that and are just being an ass for the sake of it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

$449 including a game means you're essentially getting the console with the Kinect included for $399. I'm sure you know that and are just being an ass for the sake of it.

But what if I don't want Titanfall as the relatively poor sales of the bundle seem to suggest is exactly the case of a lot of consumers? With this bundle even with the slight value increase, they're now forcing you to buy Kinect AND Titanfall. It's still not the same and you're smart enough to know that. They produced this bundle thinking it would just fly off the shelves. They never even thought in their wildest dreams that they'd have to discount it so quickly to avoid the embarrassment of 'limited edition' bundles sitting on the shelves for a few months, much like we saw with the 'Day One' consoles.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

But what if I don't want Titanfall as the relatively poor sales of the bundle seem to suggest is exactly the case of a lot of consumers? With this bundle even with the slight value increase, they're now forcing you to buy Kinect AND Titanfall. It's still not the same and you're smart enough to know that. They produced this bundle thinking it would just fly off the shelves. They never even thought in their wildest dreams that they'd have to discount it so quickly to avoid the embarrassment of 'limited edition' bundles sitting on the shelves for a few months, much like we saw with the 'Day One' consoles.

How deep is your well of bullshit?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

How deep is your well of bullshit?

Would it be too much to ask for a constructive response to my point rather than another baseless insult? Thanks.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Would it be too much to ask for a constructive response to my point rather than another baseless insult? Thanks.

Day One consoles were not available daily for weeks or months after launch. There is no way to have a constructive response to your posts, as you then turn to straw men or just flat out ignore responses when you get called on your bullshit. It is tiring to put up with.

Based on the number of posts you have in this thread compared to everyone else, it is clear that the subject as you wish to portray it is not a subject of interest to the people on this board. But you continue to plod along.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Anyone who spins this as a positive is fooling themselves.

Oh, right. I sometimes forget that everything is a negative for Microsoft.

XBox One is more expensive, bad move by Microsoft and they'll never be able to compete with Sony until they lower it.

XBox One + Titanfall cheaper than PS4 + inFamous? Oh boy what a bad move by Microsoft. Just further evidence of how they can't compete with Sony.



If tomorrow Microsoft announced they were selling the XBox One for $99 and were able to make a profit doing so we'd be hearing about how it's a bad move and Microsoft is just in more and more trouble with their competition with Sony.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Day One consoles were not available daily for weeks or months after launch. There is no way to have a constructive response to your posts, as you then turn to straw men or just flat out ignore responses when you get called on your bullshit. It is tiring to put up with.

How long were they available daily? 2 weeks? 4 weeks? Six weeks? One day?

[stevew]

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by stevew

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT

Exactly how many nobodies and how much stuff?

SI

[chadritt]

I think its pretty clear that MBBF just HAS to have a rival for everything he likes. He needs someone he can imagine crying for him to point and laugh at, thats what hes trying to do with MS.

[SackAttack]

The only "Day One" consoles I saw following the Xbox One launch were the ones that were pretty clearly returned by people who thought they were going to make a killing on craigslist, and did not.

And I can count the number of those on one hand.

[SackAttack]

With fingers left over.

[MizzouRah]

Fuck off Sony rulz

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Fuck off Sony rulz

Here's the thing: I have minimal interest in Xbox One at $499. I'd have had zero interest without the backwalk at E3.

Ordinarily I'd say I'll get one when it gets down to $300 or so, but the 360 lifecycle has shown that they're probably not going to cut the price that far. Where, traditionally, end-of-life sees a system get close to the $100 price point, Xbox 360's high-end SKU sells for the same $399 the system did at launch. Which means Xbox One isn't in my immediate future.

I want a PS4. I'll get one when I can afford one. But MBBF is still full of it.

[MacroGuru]

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Woo! A Freakazoid reference!

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Here's the thing: I have minimal interest in Xbox One at $499. I'd have had zero interest without the backwalk at E3.

Ordinarily I'd say I'll get one when it gets down to $300 or so, but the 360 lifecycle has shown that they're probably not going to cut the price that far. Where, traditionally, end-of-life sees a system get close to the $100 price point, Xbox 360's high-end SKU sells for the same $399 the system did at launch. Which means Xbox One isn't in my immediate future.

I want a PS4. I'll get one when I can afford one. But MBBF is still full of it.

Pretty accurate summation of the situation......except for the last part of course.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Pretty accurate summation of the situation......except for the last part of course.

What? No, I'm totally getting a PS4 once I can afford it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

What? No, I'm totally getting a PS4 once I can afford it.

I see what you did there.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Here's the thing: I have minimal interest in Xbox One at $499. I'd have had zero interest without the backwalk at E3.

Ordinarily I'd say I'll get one when it gets down to $300 or so, but the 360 lifecycle has shown that they're probably not going to cut the price that far. Where, traditionally, end-of-life sees a system get close to the $100 price point, Xbox 360's high-end SKU sells for the same $399 the system did at launch. Which means Xbox One isn't in my immediate future.

I want a PS4. I'll get one when I can afford one. But MBBF is still full of it.

I hear ya.. and yes he's always full of it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Crazy to see that early numbers in the UK show that the Infamous release boosted PS4 hardware sales slightly more than Titanfall boosted X1 sales. Will be interesting to see whether X1 was able to sustain UK momentum during that time.

PS4 hardware sales jump 106% on InFamous: Second Son launch | Games industry news | MCV

[jeff061]

Do you plan to analyze every big release and sales blip right up until next gen, at which point we can, as we did with PS3/360, confirm none of it meant anything?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Do you plan to analyze every big release and sales blip right up until next gen, at which point we can, as we did with PS3/360, confirm none of it meant anything?

Silly jeff. You already know the answer to this question.

[MizzouRah]

Keep that UK information coming, I find it very fascinating!

[mckerney]

So, what we know from MBBF is that due to how people can't wait to get their hands on it the PS4 flies off the shelf as soon as it arrives in the store. Then inFamous comes along and boosts the sales numbers that were already as high as they could possibly be due to demand for the PS4 being greater than what Sony could produce.

Got it.

[DaddyTorgo]

I know we've already had this conversation in this thread, but MBBF said that there are people out there that find this sort of console vs. console competition like the Superbowl?

Think MBBF even said this was something he was looking forward to for years??

Aside from game design studios that are seeking a platform-exclusive, who is that excited over which box sells better, honestly?

Are there people that are that hard-up for "us vs. them" competitiveness in EVERY aspect of their lives that they get wound-up by this stuff?

Again, I just don't get it. Fortunately I don't think I'm alone.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by mckerney

So, what we know from MBBF is that due to how people can't wait to get their hands on it the PS4 flies off the shelf as soon as it arrives in the store. Then inFamous comes along and boosts the sales numbers that were already as high as they could possibly be due to demand for the PS4 being greater than what Sony could produce.

Got it.

I'm glad someone else hit exactly what I read into the post.

[cartman]

I'm glad I was finally able to just walk into a store today and pick up an Xbox One Day One edition.

[stevew]

fuck this thread.

[chadritt]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I know we've already had this conversation in this thread, but MBBF said that there are people out there that find this sort of console vs. console competition like the Superbowl?

Think MBBF even said this was something he was looking forward to for years??

Aside from game design studios that are seeking a platform-exclusive, who is that excited over which box sells better, honestly?

Are there people that are that hard-up for "us vs. them" competitiveness in EVERY aspect of their lives that they get wound-up by this stuff?

Again, I just don't get it. Fortunately I don't think I'm alone.

I know people at game studios making an exclusive and even they don't care nearly this much.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

But what if I don't want Titanfall as the relatively poor sales of the bundle seem to suggest is exactly the case of a lot of consumers? With this bundle even with the slight value increase, they're now forcing you to buy Kinect AND Titanfall. It's still not the same and you're smart enough to know that. They produced this bundle thinking it would just fly off the shelves. They never even thought in their wildest dreams that they'd have to discount it so quickly to avoid the embarrassment of 'limited edition' bundles sitting on the shelves for a few months, much like we saw with the 'Day One' consoles.

I'm amazed how much of your analysis is based on knowing what is going on in a corporations "head"

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by chadritt

I know people at game studios making an exclusive and even they don't care nearly this much.

I'm sure. That's about the only possibility I could think of for people who'd care this much though.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I'm sure. That's about the only possibility I could think of for people who'd care this much though.

I am sure the debate comes up in elementary school.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I am sure the debate comes up in elementary school.

I was really immature then. I remember running laps around my middle school gym while arguing with a friend over PSX vs N64.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by AENeuman

I'm amazed how much of your analysis is based on knowing what is going on in a corporations "head"

I'm putting forward my opinion. I don't think it's that far off. Rather than being 'amazed', tell me what logic you think MS used to get to this point and how you think they're going to move going forward.

[jeff061]

No.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm putting forward my opinion. I don't think it's that far off. Rather than being 'amazed', tell me what logic you think MS used to get to this point and how you think they're going to move going forward.

Or

You could give us his opinion instead.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Or

You could give us his opinion instead.

I think he's too amazed to respond.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm putting forward my opinion. I don't think it's that far off. Rather than being 'amazed', tell me what logic you think MS used to get to this point and how you think they're going to move going forward.

Do you think MS has used logic in this roll out? I certainly have not gotten that from your anthropomorphized analysis.

I would think that a company as big as MS would have several working plans, long and short term, with the emphasis on the long term. Thus, the day to day price and supply stuff is even less significant than you could imagine, in your wildest dreams.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm putting forward my opinion. I don't think it's that far off. Rather than being 'amazed', tell me what logic you think MS used to get to this point and how you think they're going to move going forward.

Enter the strawman!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by AENeuman

Do you think MS has used logic in this roll out? I certainly have not gotten that from your anthropomorphized analysis.

I would think that a company as big as MS would have several working plans, long and short term, with the emphasis on the long term. Thus, the day to day price and supply stuff is even less significant than you could imagine, in your wildest dreams.

But it's not a day to day situation IMO. A bundle like this Titanfall bundle is put together at least a couple months ahead of time. This was a short term change (relatively speaking) that they decided to make to boost sales. We have to assume that they made the quantity a 'limited edition' with the intent that they would sell what they made and make it look good for their console (i.e. "look at those sales figures!"). You don't release a limited edition bundle so you can discount it 10 days after it's released.

Another thing we haven't even discussed is the relative silence from MS on actual Titanfall sales. If this game truly is a system seller, you would think EA or even MS would be putting a lot of emphasis on releasing sales numbers demonstrating how well this game has sold. Thus far, we've had very little of that.

BTW......I do appreciate the response.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Phil Spencer teases E3, possible Japanese exclusive......

Xbox One Japanese Exclusive, E3 Conference Plans Teased - IGN

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

dola

Phil Spencer teases E3, possible Japanese exclusive......

Xbox One Japanese Exclusive, E3 Conference Plans Teased - IGN

I don't know if this got a mention in this thread yet?

"Titanfall's launch caused Xbox One sales to almost double in the UK last week"

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I don't know if this got a mention in this thread yet?

"Titanfall's launch caused Xbox One sales to almost double in the UK last week"

Yes, it was discussed. Both consoles saw huge sales boosts during Titanfall release week. The X1 sales rose by 91% and the PS4 rose by 72%. As mentioned above, the PS4 saw a 106% bump in sales this past weekend for the release of Infamous: Second Son.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

More bundled offerings from MS. X1 with free Forza 5 for $449.96 at Wal-Mart.

Xbox One Console with Forza Motorsport 5 : Consoles : Walmart.com