LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont need a bed tonight, i am neither exhausted or wounded, so i will give it up to other people who need it..

I am now going to watch Office SEason 2

[claphamsa]

just wanna pint out... heinze was in the hold...a nd its worse now!

just saying!

[saldana]

more importantly than the fact that i do not think it was a good idea, no lynch means that we still have 21 people posting tomorrow...i dont know how much longer i can keep up with this pace.

[PackerFanatic]

I am sleeping tonight, and I hope I get a damn bed, heh. I need all my energy to actually be productive tomorrow!

[Danny]

The hold took more damage, perhaps now all four of us engineers should go there?

[oliegirl]

I am off to bed...in ww and rl Back tomorrow morning @ 8 am (ugh)

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Danny

The hold took more damage, perhaps now all four of us engineers should go there?

I agree!

Originally Posted by Alan T

Looks like we need Tyrith and Purduebrad to help in the cargo hold too. Probably should have all of our engineers help there tonight...

[hoopsguy]

OK, so why would the hold have taken more damage? Lets discuss this since there are 12 of us in the thread right now.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

just wanna pint out... heinze was in the hold...a nd its worse now!

just saying!

DUDE

Give up your hard-on for me, I'm not putting out.

If you bothered to fact-check your baseless accusations you'd find that I spent my day with Tyrith finishing up work on the pens, so we could get those slaves back under control.

It is only now, at the inception of night, that I head to the cargo hold to begin work there.

Dealing with these incessant false allegations you routinely make is extremely annoying. At least *try* and check a fact before slinging more mud, k?

Besides that fact, can spawn even cause damage during the day? It seemed to me that BK was pretty clear that it was the final bits of the riot that did this, not any spawn.

[PackerFanatic]

I will be back in the morning...here's hoping I don't die tonight.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so why would the hold have taken more damage? Lets discuss this since there are 12 of us in the thread right now.

My guess is the tail end of the riot, but I don't know, can spawn convert/damage places during the day even?

Or are we thinking that one of PB and Danny faked work?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so why would the hold have taken more damage? Lets discuss this since there are 12 of us in the thread right now.

had to be the slaves before we got them all back...there is no mechanic i know of to do damage during the day, only fake repairs

[hoopsguy]

but after the destruction of the slave riot, made only slightly worse today before they could be rounded back up

OK, I'm on board with what Heinz posted about the slaves. See, I'm willing to pay attention to some stuff in the moderator write-up.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

My guess is the tail end of the riot, but I don't know, can spawn convert/damage places during the day even?

Or are we thinking that one of PB and Danny faked work?

if they faked work, it wouldnt cause more damage, only show that damage wasnt repaired.

[jeheinz72]

So the hold started with 3 units, should have been 1 unit if both worked on it and it had no additional damage. Now it's 4.

So either both worked and the 3 units was all slave damage or 1 worked, 1 faked and it was 2 plus any slave/(spawn?) damage incurred.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by saldana

if they faked work, it wouldnt cause more damage, only show that damage wasnt repaired.

I think we need to apply Occam's razor here, in that it was most likely just the slaves accounting for 3 more points.

At the very least, it seems risky to think one faked and then it was 2 pts of slave damage instead.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So the hold started with 3 units, should have been 1 unit if both worked on it and it had no additional damage. Now it's 4.

So either both worked and the 3 units was all slave damage or 1 worked, 1 faked and it was 2 plus any slave/(spawn?) damage incurred.

The engines also took 1 extra damage and no one worked there. slave riot seems most likely scenerio

[hoopsguy]

Shift in damage:
Engine Room: +1
Water: even
Cargo: +1
Slave Pens: -3
Sleeping Quarters: even

So how does this match up with the actions taken by the engineers?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I think we need to apply Occam's razor here, in that it was most likely just the slaves accounting for 3 more points.

At the very least, it seems risky to think one faked and then it was 2 pts of slave damage instead.

Barring the Spawn knowing that there would be more damage - perhaps via a PM to BK? - I agree that this makes the most sense.

[jeheinz72]

Though it is a nice gain for the Spawn in that we now need all engineers at the hold and can't get onto the engine which is inching perilously close to the dreaded 12 mark, which jumps to 24. 24 is going to be darn near unrepairable given that in one cycle we only have 6 repair units, counting clap, and the Tyrith bonus and no one faking

[Alan T]

Just so we are clear, all engineers need to work on the cargo hold tonight.. so there isn't any confusion

[path12]

Beds should be saved for any wounded who aren't needed elsewhere tonight, says the doctor. That would be Packer, Jackal and Chubby, I think.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Shift in damage:
Engine Room: +1
Water: even
Cargo: +1
Slave Pens: -3
Sleeping Quarters: even

So how does this match up with the actions taken by the engineers?

Well the slave pens show that both Tyrith and I did what we said we did (aka didn't fake)

The engine room no one worked on, that must've been slave damage.

Cargo should've been -2, instead +1.

Not asking for confirmation here, but in addition to guarding the hold tonight, the engine needs guarding too. I believe spawn cause 1-4 units in an attack, I don't think we want to take the 50/50 shot that they cause enough damage to bust us as far as getting off this rock. Just wanted that to be at least said.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Just so we are clear, all engineers need to work on the cargo hold tonight.. so there isn't any confusion

Agreed, mine and Danny's should be already in. PB said he's coming back after dinner and to my knowledge, Tyrith posted last night, so here's to hoping that will get set as well.

[hoopsguy]

Path, in terms of tomorrow obviously do what you think is best. It would be personally convenient to be cleared but if not I'll cool continuing to argue my points and defend myself in the thread.

I just found myself frustrated at times that you argued I needed to be scanned when you were the one who has twice had the power to do so and chose others. It is not an issue of who you chose, just that I felt the argument about me not being scanned was particularly empty coming from the guy who has that power.

Anyway, I don't want to bully you into a move that you are not comfortable executing. Or else I'm just trying to confuse you more

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

My guess is the tail end of the riot, but I don't know, can spawn convert/damage places during the day even?

Or are we thinking that one of PB and Danny faked work?

It's my understanding that during the day the only thing that could have added damage points was the slaves before they were all gathered.

Of course, those that worked on cargo hold still could have faked work so that the situation didn't get better...

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I really want to go Spawn hunting tonight, but recognize that we have two rooms that are down.

Do people have any deep thoughts on the best way to have some coordination in thread that doesn't tip off the bad guys too much?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Just so we are clear, all engineers need to work on the cargo hold tonight.. so there isn't any confusion

Why can't Tyrith + 2 Engineers complete the work (4 cycles from them)?

Then the other 2 (Claphamsa is already listed as an Engineer) can begin work on the Engine.

If the Cargo Hold comes up still damaged in the morning, an engineer can fix it then and it will be fixed immediately and we can still pursue the away missions.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Why can't Tyrith + 2 Engineers complete the work (4 cycles from them)?

Then the other 2 (Claphamsa is already listed as an Engineer) can begin work on the Engine.

If the Cargo Hold comes up still damaged in the morning, an engineer can fix it then and it will be fixed immediately and we can still pursue the away missions.

If the cargo hold is not fixed tonight, we all will be dehydrated tommorrow. I have no idea what that would mean as far as possible death for various people or how it would effect people whom are already wounded or exhausted or wounded&exhausted.

I would rather we have more people than needed to fix it to make sure it gets fixed in case of someone faking work, one of the engineering team dying, etc or both...

I think it would be really bad to let it go through the night without being absolutely sure we fix it.

[mccollins]

Also, I meant to ask earlier regarding the timing of the water dispensing - when does the galley master come into play? Why can't he dispense the water at any point during the day?

That is, if the cargo hold was still damaged (or damaged extra tonight) after the transition to day 3, and the engineers were able to fix it, can't the water just be dispensed after they fix it??

[PurdueBrad]

I'm back and caught up and agree that we over-work the cargo hold to make sure it gets done. My order is going in as we speak.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, in terms of tomorrow obviously do what you think is best. It would be personally convenient to be cleared but if not I'll cool continuing to argue my points and defend myself in the thread.

I just found myself frustrated at times that you argued I needed to be scanned when you were the one who has twice had the power to do so and chose others. It is not an issue of who you chose, just that I felt the argument about me not being scanned was particularly empty coming from the guy who has that power.

Anyway, I don't want to bully you into a move that you are not comfortable executing. Or else I'm just trying to confuse you more

Oh, I wasn't feeling bullied at all. And I can see your point.

As I mentioned to you in our PM's, I do not expect to live very long in this game. Alan pretty much is on target with my strategy, which is to clear until we're off the ship then hunt. Unless I'm really awful in my instincts, I think I can hit a Spawn fairly quickly.

So yes, from that standpoint you are important for me to scan, because you are strong from either side and you can carry a lot of weight in thread. Plus as the Security Officer, your interrogations would be nice to have on our side.

KWhit was my first choice -- he plans the missions and needs to be trusted. I think that's a pretty slam-dunk call. You were second on the list, until Alan asked to be scanned. The captain gets his way, no doubt. So now you are on my list next. I don't think it's an illogical chain at all, albeit frustrating for you.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, I really want to go Spawn hunting tonight, but recognize that we have two rooms that are down.

Do people have any deep thoughts on the best way to have some coordination in thread that doesn't tip off the bad guys too much?

Well some roles are fairly limited in what they can protect.. such as it is pretty obvious what the galley master should do tonight based on what he is allowed to do. I'm pretty sure that the spawn already are aware of which roles are locked in to areas such as this. I think for tonight it is each security personal's job to do their best assumption on where to go.. Tommorrow there won't be slaves to round up, so you might want to use your interrogation ability to hook up privately with some security member to try to coordinate things.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Also, I meant to ask earlier regarding the timing of the water dispensing - when does the galley master come into play? Why can't he dispense the water at any point during the day?

That is, if the cargo hold was still damaged (or damaged extra tonight) after the transition to day 3, and the engineers were able to fix it, can't the water just be dispensed after they fix it??

The galley master comes into play when we run short on water in the hold vs how many people are around.. he can ration only giving x people water. The order has to be submitted at night though prior to the next day. BK mentioned earlier today that water is drunk at the start of the day, so I am assuming (I could be wrong here) that if the hold is broken in the morning, he can't later ration out water later in the day since he has to have the order submitted at night.

[Barkeep49]

Clapshamsa is an Engineer starting tomorrow. He should have been listed there today.

[path12]

D'oh. By off the ship I mean off the planet. I'm a doctor Alan, not an English major!


Oh shit, I am an English major.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

Oh, I wasn't feeling bullied at all. And I can see your point.

As I mentioned to you in our PM's, I do not expect to live very long in this game. Alan pretty much is on target with my strategy, which is to clear until we're off the ship then hunt. Unless I'm really awful in my instincts, I think I can hit a Spawn fairly quickly.

So yes, from that standpoint you are important for me to scan, because you are strong from either side and you can carry a lot of weight in thread. Plus as the Security Officer, your interrogations would be nice to have on our side.

KWhit was my first choice -- he plans the missions and needs to be trusted. I think that's a pretty slam-dunk call. You were second on the list, until Alan asked to be scanned. The captain gets his way, no doubt. So now you are on my list next. I don't think it's an illogical chain at all, albeit frustrating for you.

I feel a little bad about "forcing" you to scan me today.. even though I didn't force you to I put you in an awkward spot. I just talk alot, am pretty strong with my ideas when I feel they are solid and I feel it is important that everyone can feel confident in my motivation beyond just a metagame reason. Once I got my PM this morning from last night's result.. I just was not sure what it meant and wanted to rule out any infection if that possibly was the case.. Figured you were my only hope Obi won

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The galley master comes into play when we run short on water in the hold vs how many people are around.. he can ration only giving x people water. The order has to be submitted at night though prior to the next day. BK mentioned earlier today that water is drunk at the start of the day, so I am assuming (I could be wrong here) that if the hold is broken in the morning, he can't later ration out water later in the day since he has to have the order submitted at night.

That is correct.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I feel a little bad about "forcing" you to scan me today.. even though I didn't force you to I put you in an awkward spot. I just talk alot, am pretty strong with my ideas when I feel they are solid and I feel it is important that everyone can feel confident in my motivation beyond just a metagame reason. Once I got my PM this morning from last night's result.. I just was not sure what it meant and wanted to rule out any infection if that possibly was the case.. Figured you were my only hope Obi won

No worries. It just swapped days 2 and 3.

[path12]

All right, I'm out. Time to see if I've got any promising 3 year olds.

Wait, that sounded wrong.

[PurdueBrad]

Here I go again...with the engineering crew backing me up

"Baby Got Boxes"
Oh my God,
Hoopsy, look at those boxes
They're so big
They each look like one of those rap guys' cribs
But y'know, who understands those rap guys
They only like those because they have room for stripper poles
I mean, they're so big
I can't believe they're so square
And the spawn, I mean, they're so gross

I like big boxes and I don't know why
you other engineers can't deny
And if a spawn walks in and tries to destroy the place
we'll bust them in their face
Wanna pull up tough
and try to talk some stuff
but us engineers are deep in our repairs
you're jealous 'cause we've got Dilbert hair
and you wanna hang with us
and take our picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
but the Spawn that are around
just ain't that scary
Ooh exploration crew
you say you wanna fly in our ship
well get me some crys and use me so we can get outta here

I've seen the slaves run wild
doing damage like a drunken child
Take the average engineer and ask them that
we gotta kill those slaves flat

So engineers (yeah) engineers (yeah)
Are we working on the big boxes (hell yeah)
So turn it, turn it, turn it, turn it, turn that big ole wrench
Cargo hold got fixed

[PurdueBrad]

Path, hopefully that gets "Whistle While You Work" out of your head.

So, ummm, yeah, how long until my songs get me lynched?

[mccollins]

hahaaaahhaha

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Path, scan me please if you don't mind.

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll explain why after I make sure you haven't already submitted a different scan order or not.. Would rather not give the reason out publically yet if you go a different direction

Originally Posted by path12

You got it, Cap.

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

"Captain Alan if you could please come with me sir," the good doctor path requests. The two men adjourn to the infirmary where an examination is done. A while later the two emerge, the exam done.

Originally Posted by Alan T

The reason why was because of my sleeping PM I received last night. I got an odd message that I think is one of two things. It said that I used to trust the crew, but once I landed that started to change... but it wasn't an always thing, but only a sometimes thing.

I asked Barkeep what it meant, and he told me he wasn't going to clarify any further.. so my hunch is that I have a secret ability to be able to detect a spawn the more nights I sleep with them.. but a small part of me is worried that I have a spawnling inside of me. If the latter, then I want to find out now so Path can remove it.. if the former, then now that I have revealed this, I want to be in the brig where 1) I will be with the same people every night and be able to pick up if a spawn is in there somehow and 2) I want to be protected so someone can't kill me because of this ability.

Originally Posted by path12

I found no indication of Spawn with you, so there is no spawnling and we're both still alive. I wonder if this means Unaware Spawn though, which I don't think I would detect.

Originally Posted by path12

Dola, but I'll also repeat that no indication of Spawn was found with you.

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

No spawnling to the best of my knowledge but I got a similar PM as Alan only with some different information. It didn't dawn on me, until he asked to be scanned, to think that it could be a bad thing. Nothing I read from it indicates that. In fact, it is very vague and indicates very little but nothing dark or dangerous in terms of our mission. So it's your call. That's why I asked about Hoops earlier, was hoping for an interrogation to share info with somebody but I guess this did it.

Originally Posted by Danny

I was unsure if I was going to mention this as I didn't want to give anything away to potential Spawn, but at this point it is probably unspecific enough to be alright.

In my PM last night it said that I could feel the spawn. I don't know if this means I could have a spawnling or I will be gaining a special ability or perhaps it had something to do with working next to Jeheinz.

Here is all the conversation around the "Spawn Aware" stuff up to the point that Danny revealed. Note that Danny's info comes significantly after Alan, as well as PurdueBrad (who I had forgotten about until surfing these posts).

I'm not sure what the results of this post review are going to be, but I'm going into them with the idea that Danny shifted his logic midway through when he found himself in an either/or scenario. I don't think he liked being in that position and thought it was best to extricate himself by changing his story and act like I was putting words in his mouth.

It is entirely possible I'll see he was being consistent, but it is damn hard to keep track of posts in a game that is flying by like this one.

[Alan T]

I'm heading to bed.. I went 4 for 4 tonight (all 4 lousy singles bleh) but my leg and knee are hurting a bit.. I'm thinking I am getting too old for organized sports

See you all when I get out of the brig!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by path12

D'oh. By off the ship I mean off the planet. I'm a doctor Alan, not an English major!


Oh shit, I am an English major.

Huh, me too.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Huh, me too.

Me three, well, already have the MA and teach it but I'll jump on this bandwagon.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Barkeep.. kind of important to know but I can't find it in the rules anywhere so not sure if I am thinking of a past spawn game or this one...

Once we lift up from the planet, current spawnlings will continue to form into spawns, but no more spawnlings can be planted to convert anyone right?

BK, if you can answer this tonight while I sleep (or at least say you aren't going to answer it), it would help me sleep easier tonight!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Path, hopefully that gets "Whistle While You Work" out of your head.

So, ummm, yeah, how long until my songs get me lynched?

The correct answer is "not quickly enough".

On this ship, possibly "never" is the more correct answer.


Oh no I didn't!

[jeheinz72]

Good catch hoops, I totally missed the PB Spawn Aware stuff

You do raise an interesting point, not only the stuck scenario, but the fact that it just seems odd that 2 engineers would get the Spawn Aware sense.

Anyhow, I'll eagerly await path's apparently inevitable scan of you before digging into Danny.

I think I'm out for the night as well. I'm not programmed to handle more than 9 hours of WW'ing, I'm beat.