Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 - Page 36

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 10:30 PM

hah! conspiracy can't kill me!!!

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:32 PM

For about the fourth time, DT - I voted for CR yesterday. I'd like it if people would stop thinking I didn't vote yesterday, as it seriously harms any views of me.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:33 PM

I didn't mean for that post to come off as angry, I just want it to be clear that I voted for him, twice actually during the day, and I wasn't a no-voter.

saldana · 07-09-2009, 10:33 PM

great work NTN and Danny!

not sure when i will be able to get into check stuff tomorrow...this week has been horrible for me at work...sorry to all that i have been less than helpful

vote thomkal

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 10:33 PM

Well, this wasn't the evening to have a guest. I guess. Finally caught up. That was pretty crazy. I'm not sure why Henry listed me as a wolf first out of all those possibilities. I'm not, but I'll have to look back at the further explanations to understand.

I got pretty screwed by the surprise votes on Telle tonight as it wasted my ability. I don't really understand all that movement to her. I'm glad that the PM system bought us a wolf kill finally though, that was nice.

Oops now caught up on the newer posts as the thread was locked up. I would never have guessed Danny's ability, that's a surprise. Hopefully DT has what he needs at this point.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

For about the fourth time, DT - I voted for CR yesterday. I'd like it if people would stop thinking I didn't vote yesterday, as it seriously harms any views of me.

sorry - i typed up that part before i was clear on that

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

sorry - i typed up that part before i was clear on that

It's cool. Mass of posts, constant confusion. Thanks, hoops and BK!

ntndeacon · 07-09-2009, 10:35 PM

I am ok with this. Lets see how good henry's info is.
Vote Thomkal

henry296 · 07-09-2009, 10:38 PM

Autumn - I did not list those people in order, just pulled them from the didn't vote for Telle list. I'd be interested in learning how Telle's death impacts your powers.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:39 PM

Let me squeeze off the necessary goodbye pic of Kim.. Dirty conspirator!:

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:40 PM

vote path

We might as well try to narrow down the list a bit and have two candidates. Maybe some movement one way or the other will let us know which to go after next.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Let me squeeze off the necessary goodbye pic of Kim.. Dirty conspirator!:

It's just not the same now after attaching CR's name to it.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

vote path

We might as well try to narrow down the list a bit and have two candidates. Maybe some movement one way or the other will let us know which to go after next.

Why are you voting for path, exactly?

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Autumn - I did not list those people in order, just pulled them from the didn't vote for Telle list. I'd be interested in learning how Telle's death impacts your powers.

I didn't mean the order, I just mean I don't know why you listed a group of us as being wolves but ignored other people who didn't vote Telle. Maybe I don't understand your power.

I just mean that I had chosen to confirm Telle's role tonight, which obviously was a waste. She wasn't in any danger when I left so I thought it was a good bet.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:44 PM

I ask because he was cleared by Henry, is all. Seems like the more prudent choices would come from me, pass, autumn, isidd, thomkal, and king. Out of that list I think the likeliest three are thomkal, pass, and isidd. But that's just my guess, I'll let the semi-cleared players drive most of the discussion.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Why are you voting for path, exactly?

DT's list has him among the bottom tier of the list. After the confusion over Autumn yesterday I wasn't sure if I was going to go with him or path as the second candidate. I basically flipped a coin from there.

henry296 · 07-09-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I didn't mean the order, I just mean I don't know why you listed a group of us as being wolves but ignored other people who didn't vote Telle. Maybe I don't understand your power.

I just mean that I had chosen to confirm Telle's role tonight, which obviously was a waste. She wasn't in any danger when I left so I thought it was a good bet.

My first list was a little hasty as I had assumed everyone had voted. My power cleared those who voted with me, but you are correct there were a couple of more potential wolves, which I've later commented on. However, many of those who didn't vote for Telle did not for Chief Rum which is good in my eyes. Schmidty, who didn't vote for either Telle or CR is just as likely a suspect as you based on my knowledge.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I ask because he was cleared by Henry, is all. Seems like the more prudent choices would come from me, pass, autumn, isidd, thomkal, and king. Out of that list I think the likeliest three are thomkal, pass, and isidd. But that's just my guess, I'll let the semi-cleared players drive most of the discussion.

very true. note that path was 3rd from the bottom of my list. voting from higher up on the list is the logical thing to do.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

DT's list has him among the bottom tier of the list. After the confusion over Autumn yesterday I wasn't sure if I was going to go with him or path as the second candidate. I basically flipped a coin from there.

So are you disregarding henry having cleared path?

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I ask because he was cleared by Henry, is all. Seems like the more prudent choices would come from me, pass, autumn, isidd, thomkal, and king. Out of that list I think the likeliest three are thomkal, pass, and isidd. But that's just my guess, I'll let the semi-cleared players drive most of the discussion.

Sorry, misread that. I thought that DT's list took henry's into account.

unvote path

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:49 PM

I forgot about Schmidty, I don't really know where to throw him in this equation.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

DT's list has him among the bottom tier of the list. After the confusion over Autumn yesterday I wasn't sure if I was going to go with him or path as the second candidate. I basically flipped a coin from there.

maybe my list was a little unclear - the "bottom tier" of my list were people i think were "least likely to be bad" (with autumn the most likely of the 4), not "most likely"

the best votes are in the top group of 5.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:50 PM

I figured it was just some confusion on your part, EF. Pick a better candidate, preferably not me.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I forgot about Schmidty, I don't really know where to throw him in this equation.

schmidty is fine. i didn't list him, did i? therefore he's not a suspect at all.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

very true. note that path was 3rd from the bottom of my list. voting from higher up on the list is the logical thing to do.

path was 2nd from bottom, only Autumn was listed ahead of him and I didn't exactly read that as they were ranked in order, just that they were the bottom tier.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

schmidty is fine. i didn't list him, did i? therefore he's not a suspect at all.

Right, I thought I remembered at least you and possibly someone else say they didn't suspect Schmidty, but I was mostly trying to think for myself what he's done vote-wise and such.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

schmidty is fine. i didn't list him, did i? therefore he's not a suspect at all.

Yesterday you said Autumn wasn't fne, then you said he was, now he's at the bottom tier of your list. Now you tell us Schmidty is fine, is he going to show up on your list tomorrow as not trusted?

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Yesterday you said Autumn wasn't fne, then you said he was, now he's at the bottom tier of your list. Now you tell us Schmidty is fine, is he going to show up on your list tomorrow as not trusted?

Keep in mind the "bottom tier" of DT's list was people that he trusts the most in that post, EF.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:57 PM

vote henry

I still don't trust his claimed power as it seems potentially too powerful, yet no one questions this?

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 10:58 PM

no.

there was obviously confusion with autumn regarding the word "roles" and what was going on there. after that was cleared up i said that autumn was okay in my book, but that didn't mean he was on the "HT" list.

i said autumn was on my "MT" list today. which he is. my "MT" list is the bottom tier of those who are uncleared.

schmidty is not listed as uncleared or on the MT list. should i spell it out more?

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:58 PM

Interesting.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 10:59 PM

Would be a ballsy move for a wolf to make, EF. How much time would it buy them?

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Keep in mind the "bottom tier" of DT's list was people that he trusts the most in that post, EF.

I need to read all of the "longer" posts instead of skimming and looking at lists.

When I see bottom tier I figured that meant the least trusted / most distrusted.

No wonder he was steering us wrong, his lists probably even confuse him.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 11:02 PM

Basically, EF, you're suggesting that henry is a wolf and that multiple of PB, ntn, nfg, sal, and path are wolves?

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 11:03 PM

i steered us wrong for 2 days - that's hardly any worse than we would have done without my info.

and the result of those 2 days is a very tight list of potential suspects (with or without henry it was coming out tonight i'd say...henry helps us lop off path and saldana off of the suspects list, which is good).

hardly steering us wrong.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Would be a ballsy move for a wolf to make, EF. How much time would it buy them?

Could there be a traitor type role? It would be a good play for a traitor, one that may put the game close to end game as it gets everyone into mob mentality and nothing is learned of vote history for two days plus we lose two villagers in a lynch (figuring the traitor counts in our numbers) and in night kills for a 4-0 run for the wolves without them having to risk anything.

Kind of convenient that this reveal came out after a wolf is lost.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Could there be a traitor type role? It would be a good play for a traitor, one that may put the game close to end game as it gets everyone into mob mentality and nothing is learned of vote history for two days plus we lose two villagers in a lynch (figuring the traitor counts in our numbers) and in night kills for a 4-0 run for the wolves without them having to risk anything.

Kind of convenient that this reveal came out after a wolf is lost.

It certainly would probably buy at least 4-0 for the wolves if henry and one or more of those other guys are wolves. Is that enough to get them close to endgame, you think? It seems like we have enough people left, but people are dying frequently.

path12 · 07-09-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Wow.

Based on my post after Day 1 on the middle votes for Kwhit, led me to Telle today and I felt CR was ok b/c I didn't think his day 1 vote was based. I think Jackal is good and the frustration is real.

I wish someone would confirm Danny's story before I vote. However, given my statements above, I'll pick nfg22 for now but could change with more info as last nights exhcange seems a bit odd.

vote nfg22

OK, I'm just catching up and this is fascinating, but henry, WTF? Why the throwaway?

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 11:05 PM

I guess we see what Pass, ISidd, et. al have to say for themselves.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 11:06 PM

lol

henry's not a wolf guys. (standard disclaimer: unless he's the cunning)

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i steered us wrong for 2 days - that's hardly any worse than we would have done without my info.

and the result of those 2 days is a very tight list of potential suspects (with or without henry it was coming out tonight i'd say...henry helps us lop off path and saldana off of the suspects list, which is good).

hardly steering us wrong.

If you took the info I gave you yesterday we would have lynched CR instead of clap so yes that is steering us wrong, I gave you the info and then I voted for him so I was willing to test the validity of it. If you took the other info I gave you to protect Michelle we may have gotten lucky with a wolf lynch day one instead of a villager so yes that is steering us wrong.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

lol

henry's not a wolf guys. (standard disclaimer: unless he's the cunning)

Well that's good, then. I mean I was just seeing where EF was going with this line of thought, gotta explore it all.

henry296 · 07-09-2009, 11:10 PM

EagleFan - I don't think the role was too powerful. I think we just got lucky with my role that there were no wolves who voted with me and it was later in the game than probably originally intended. When I first got my role I thought it was a nice, but likely would tell us that in a list of 7-10 there were 1-2 wolves which would have been nice but nearly the type of CoT it generated. That likely would've been the result if I voted for a villager on day 1 or 2. We got a little fortunate that I didn't use my power until later in the game.

For example, on the first day I was would've voted for Kwhit to make sure to use my power except I didn't finish reading until after the lynch so I didn't vote.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

If you took the info I gave you yesterday we would have lynched CR instead of clap so yes that is steering us wrong, I gave you the info and then I voted for him so I was willing to test the validity of it. If you took the other info I gave you to protect Michelle we may have gotten lucky with a wolf lynch day one instead of a villager so yes that is steering us wrong.

i didn't know who michelle was. kwhit never gave me his character-name!

and as for yesterday - clap was pinging everybody wrong and was on a list just like CR. Your info on CR was good yes, but your info on the other two people was wrong, and frankly I didn't have a reason to trust you yet over anybody else.

still don't.

how many games have there ever been where the village has pitched a shutout, only lynching wolves? ever? it's not going to happen...villagers will die. Jeezus...Kwhit didn't even complain this much about his dying. So yeah...we lynched a couple villagers...big frigging deal.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

lol

henry's not a wolf guys. (standard disclaimer: unless he's the cunning)

The traitor is not a wolf in most all cases so take your lol and shove it into a list. I am trying to get us to cover all of our bases and be prepared for what could be a very good play.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 11:11 PM

i'm not going to apologize because we lynched 2 villagers instead of possibly pitching a perfect game. that's ridiculous, and frankly it's making you look very wolfish.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 11:12 PM

I'm smelling desperation.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i didn't know who michelle was. kwhit never gave me his character-name!

and as for yesterday - clap was pinging everybody wrong and was on a list just like CR. Your info on CR was good yes, but your info on the other two people was wrong, and frankly I didn't have a reason to trust you yet over anybody else.

still don't.

how many games have there ever been where the village has pitched a shutout, only lynching wolves? ever? it's not going to happen...villagers will die. Jeezus...Kwhit didn't even complain this much about his dying. So yeah...we lynched a couple villagers...big frigging deal.

What other two people? I told you that the list said it potentially included at least one wolf, not that they were all wolves. It said Danny and Telle were unknown and CR was questionable. Based on what we have seen that list was pretty much dead on by my interpretation.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 11:12 PM

Wasn't there that one game where Alan or someone nailed all 4 wolves in one post? Maybe there were 5 and it wasn't a shutout, but we definitely lynched a bunch of wolves in a row.

EagleFan · 07-09-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm not going to apologize because we lynched 2 villagers instead of possibly pitching a perfect game. that's ridiculous, and frankly it's making you look very wolfish.

Do you even listen to yourself? I have handed you information on a wolf and two that were most likely good if you read into the list. It's not about "pitching a perfect game", it's about tryig to keep from potentially being led into a dead end. Personally henry's claimed power seems like a desperate ploy if you ask me. Yet you have now twice tried to bring me up for a vote despite my proving to be an asset to the village.

Vote for me, that's really smart. Especially if henry is the traitor, then you just cost us the game.

I propose one simple vote, we give henry's claim a test by making him the second candidate. It will be obvious if a wolf run happens based on his list. If the second candiate gets lynched and is a wolf, great for us he is corrct and we win. If he gets lynched and we find out exactly what he said his powers were then we go right back to the list and we win. It's a win/win situation yet you are too damn stubborn to see it.

07-09-2009, 10:30 PM	#1751
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hah! conspiracy can't kill me!!! __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 10:38 PM	#1759
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Autumn - I did not list those people in order, just pulled them from the didn't vote for Telle list. I'd be interested in learning how Telle's death impacts your powers. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-09-2009, 10:58 PM	#1780
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	no. there was obviously confusion with autumn regarding the word "roles" and what was going on there. after that was cleared up i said that autumn was okay in my book, but that didn't mean he was on the "HT" list. i said autumn was on my "MT" list today. which he is. my "MT" list is the bottom tier of those who are uncleared. schmidty is not listed as uncleared or on the MT list. should i spell it out more? __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 11:03 PM	#1785
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i steered us wrong for 2 days - that's hardly any worse than we would have done without my info. and the result of those 2 days is a very tight list of potential suspects (with or without henry it was coming out tonight i'd say...henry helps us lop off path and saldana off of the suspects list, which is good). hardly steering us wrong. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 11:06 PM	#1790
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	lol henry's not a wolf guys. (standard disclaimer: unless he's the cunning) __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 10:32 PM	#1752
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	For about the fourth time, DT - I voted for CR yesterday. I'd like it if people would stop thinking I didn't vote yesterday, as it seriously harms any views of me.

07-09-2009, 10:33 PM	#1753
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I didn't mean for that post to come off as angry, I just want it to be clear that I voted for him, twice actually during the day, and I wasn't a no-voter.

07-09-2009, 10:33 PM	#1754
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	great work NTN and Danny! not sure when i will be able to get into check stuff tomorrow...this week has been horrible for me at work...sorry to all that i have been less than helpful vote thomkal

07-09-2009, 10:33 PM	#1755
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, this wasn't the evening to have a guest. I guess. Finally caught up. That was pretty crazy. I'm not sure why Henry listed me as a wolf first out of all those possibilities. I'm not, but I'll have to look back at the further explanations to understand. I got pretty screwed by the surprise votes on Telle tonight as it wasted my ability. I don't really understand all that movement to her. I'm glad that the PM system bought us a wolf kill finally though, that was nice. Oops now caught up on the newer posts as the thread was locked up. I would never have guessed Danny's ability, that's a surprise. Hopefully DT has what he needs at this point.

07-09-2009, 10:35 PM	#1758
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I am ok with this. Lets see how good henry's info is. Vote Thomkal

07-09-2009, 10:39 PM	#1760
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Let me squeeze off the necessary goodbye pic of Kim.. Dirty conspirator!:

07-09-2009, 10:40 PM	#1761
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	vote path We might as well try to narrow down the list a bit and have two candidates. Maybe some movement one way or the other will let us know which to go after next.

07-09-2009, 10:44 PM	#1765
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I ask because he was cleared by Henry, is all. Seems like the more prudent choices would come from me, pass, autumn, isidd, thomkal, and king. Out of that list I think the likeliest three are thomkal, pass, and isidd. But that's just my guess, I'll let the semi-cleared players drive most of the discussion.

07-09-2009, 10:49 PM	#1771
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I forgot about Schmidty, I don't really know where to throw him in this equation.

07-09-2009, 10:50 PM	#1773
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I figured it was just some confusion on your part, EF. Pick a better candidate, preferably not me.

07-09-2009, 10:57 PM	#1779
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	vote henry I still don't trust his claimed power as it seems potentially too powerful, yet no one questions this?

07-09-2009, 10:58 PM	#1781
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Interesting.

07-09-2009, 10:59 PM	#1782
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Would be a ballsy move for a wolf to make, EF. How much time would it buy them?

07-09-2009, 11:02 PM	#1784
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Basically, EF, you're suggesting that henry is a wolf and that multiple of PB, ntn, nfg, sal, and path are wolves?

07-09-2009, 11:05 PM	#1789
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I guess we see what Pass, ISidd, et. al have to say for themselves.

07-09-2009, 11:10 PM	#1793
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	EagleFan - I don't think the role was too powerful. I think we just got lucky with my role that there were no wolves who voted with me and it was later in the game than probably originally intended. When I first got my role I thought it was a nice, but likely would tell us that in a list of 7-10 there were 1-2 wolves which would have been nice but nearly the type of CoT it generated. That likely would've been the result if I voted for a villager on day 1 or 2. We got a little fortunate that I didn't use my power until later in the game. For example, on the first day I was would've voted for Kwhit to make sure to use my power except I didn't finish reading until after the lynch so I didn't vote. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-09-2009, 11:11 PM	#1796
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm not going to apologize because we lynched 2 villagers instead of possibly pitching a perfect game. that's ridiculous, and frankly it's making you look very wolfish. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 11:12 PM	#1797
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I'm smelling desperation. VOTE EAGLEFAN __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 11:12 PM	#1799
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Wasn't there that one game where Alan or someone nailed all 4 wolves in one post? Maybe there were 5 and it wasn't a shutout, but we definitely lynched a bunch of wolves in a row.

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