Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!! - Page 35

dubb93 · 01-16-2006, 01:09 PM

Suspect List:

Coder
Desnudo
Schmidty

If they aren't death eaters, they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none. I'm going by actions, and the fact that I always pop up in their potential DE circle. Gramm, if I were you I would take one of these 3 tonight after they duke you.

Trusted

Gramm: The duke

Ardent: Took the time to catch something I don't think a DE would try to catch in Coder's lie. Even if he is wrong about Code, a DE wouldn't take that much time.

Superman: Cast deciding vote on Sun

I don't a feeling on the rest of them at this point. I will be looking back through the thread later today.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:11 PM

Back. I agree; if we go with Grammaticus today and he truly is who he says he is, then he can lynch Coder (or whoever).

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Trusted

Gramm: The duke

How are you so sure he's the duke? Because he says he is? And if he's the duke, then why haven't the wolves killed him yet? I'm beginning to get more and more distrustful of you.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none.

Hehe, I probably am..

Not sure about the other two though.. could be I'm being just as dumb as you think and they're actually deatheaters and are laughing like crazy at me now

.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Suspect List:

If they aren't death eaters, they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none. I'm going by actions, and the fact that I always pop up in their potential DE circle. Gramm, if I were you I would take one of these 3 tonight after they duke you.

Thanks, personal insults are always a nice touch.

Edit: and why don't you contribute more instead of being critical if you want to help.

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Thanks, personal insults are always a nice touch.

Edit: and why don't you contribute more instead of being critical if you want to help.

Not sure how saldana feels about this, but please don't edit your posts.

To answer your question, obviously it's to get under your skin. At this point, he's getting more and more suspicious to me. Instigating stuff like this is very wolf-like.

Superman=#54 · 01-16-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

Superman
Guess this one will make Ardent happy since he's got Superman as trusted, and this confirms his theory about me

. However, Superman he's been doing some dodgy voting as well. During day 5, Superman was the one to tilt the balance from Gram to Path. First he voted for Jesse without a reason, then he unvoted Jesse and voted for Path, his only explanation being "hmmmm".

I'm about 90% sure that Gramm is the Duke. It just didn't make sense to me to lynch a villager on purpose, voting for path was just a shot in the dark. You are bound to hit something lurking in the shadows. Your voting is pretty dodgy also.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 01:22 PM

Yes, that's fine in all, but I would hope people remember it's a game and there's no need for personal insults. For example, I could call Dubb an arrogant jerk who's main contribution thus far has been to criticise other people's logic, but I won't.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman=#54

I'm about 90% sure that Gramm is the Duke. It just didn't make sense to me to lynch a villager on purpose, voting for path was just a shot in the dark. You are bound to hit something lurking in the shadows. Your voting is pretty dodgy also.

Oh I know.. my votes are very poor. However, I've never unvoted, and I've never done so late near the deadline when it's obvious that my vote could tilt the balance.

Superman=#54 · 01-16-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

Oh I know.. my votes are very poor. However, I've never unvoted, and I've never done so late near the deadline when it's obvious that my vote could tilt the balance.

I've done it twice. One time I hit and one time I missed. A .500 batting isn't so bad.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

Suspect List:

Coder
Desnudo
Schmidty

If they aren't death eaters, they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none.

Look, I haven't taken a personal shot at you once this game, but I'm getting fed up with you attitude and your insulting attitude. Why do people like you have to ruin the game by being complete asshats? It's one thing to vote someone you're suspicious of(which is fine), or to get angry when you feel wrongly accused, but to downright insult someone on a personal level (calling someone unintelligent), is absolute childish bullshit.

If this is a ploy to take heat off yourself and heep it on someone else, it's a shitty way to play the game. If this isn't strategy and just diarreah of the mouth, you have some real-life issues you need to work out, such as having class. Either way, I think you owe 3 people a serious apology.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman=#54

I've done it twice. One time I hit and one time I missed. A .500 batting isn't so bad.

Valid point. You're not as high on my list as the other three.

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

Oh I know.. my votes are very poor. However, I've never unvoted, and I've never done so late near the deadline when it's obvious that my vote could tilt the balance.

Isn't that in of itself suspicious? I've unvoted when I saw that my vote didn't matter. Instead of sitting back, I made my vote count. To me, you want to slide by without being noticed so your vote [i]doesn't[i] count and you can survive by flying under the radar.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:28 PM

For what it's worth I wasn't terribly offended by being called the worst Werewolf-player to ever play the game... after voting out Wednesday I certainly felt like it.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

For what it's worth I wasn't terribly offended by being called the worst Werewolf-player to ever play the game... after voting out Wednesday I certainly felt like it.

It doesn't matter if you do. Dubb has acted like a classless baby this entire game. I've tried to respond calmly to him, even making jokes, but this is it. He's making personal insults IN A GAME. I hate to be hasty, but I think that says something about his character.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Isn't that in of itself suspicious? I've unvoted when I saw that my vote didn't matter. Instead of sitting back, I made my vote count. To me, you want to slide by without being noticed so your vote [i]doesn't[i] count and you can survive by flying under the radar.

Well I've been fairly vocal about why I decide to vote in any certain way. I have voted because I felt someone was evil and not because of a bandwagon. I've had strong feelings for all my votes, and those don't change simply because everyone else is voting on someone else.

The only case where I would have changed my vote if I travelled back in time NOT knowing what I know now (i.e. status quo), I would have done so day 1 when Neon revealed Qwik. However, when he did so, I was asleep.

Superman=#54 · 01-16-2006, 01:31 PM

On another note Jesse doesn't seem to be on anyone's trusted/distrusted list. Jesse and RPI are the amazing invisible wizards.

Edit: for spelling

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman=#54

On another note Jesse doesn't seem to be on anyone's trusted/distrusted list. Jesse and RPI are the amazing invsible wizards.

I raised some suspicions about RPI but nothing major.

Code:

Name	Vote	        Day	Vote	Total Votes
RPI 	vote Superman	Day 1	32	47
RPI 	switch to Qwik	Day 1	37	47
Rpi 	vote Mr. W	Day 2	33	59
RPI 	unvote Mr. W	Day 2	46	59
RPI 	vote Pass	Day 2	47	59
RPI 	vote Mr. W	Day 3	30	51
RPI 	vote AlanT	Day 3	41	51
RPI	Vote Pass	Day 4	25	30
RPI	Vote Path12	Day 5	15	26

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 01:36 PM

Getting on with the game, I think AE's analysis is very thorough and well-thought out; however, I still am feeling strongly about Gramm. Dubb's emotional post moves him even farther up my list. He looks like he's getting desperate.

I'll wait to see more today, but for now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with Gram. Even if he is the Duke, we lose nothing AND essentially clear 2-3 people.

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

It doesn't matter if you do. Dubb has acted like a classless baby this entire game. I've tried to respond calmly to him, even making jokes, but this is it. He's making personal insults IN A GAME. I hate to be hasty, but I think that says something about his character.

OOG: Personally, I don't get that impression at all from dubb. Then again, I'm not exactly the best judge of character here since I did pretty much the same thing to saldana the first game he played on FOFC. That being said, I see the error of my ways and even though I may not mean anything by it personally, the people who are on the receiving end may take it that way. So in essence, I would agree that he needs to apologize if you're offended.

/OOG

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman=#54

On another note Jesse doesn't seem to be on anyone's trusted/distrusted list. Jesse and RPI are the amazing invisible wizards.

Edit: for spelling

Can you guys please stop editing your posts? I think this "rule" came about when Blackadar played and edited all of his posts once he was hung...thus preventing us from going back to see what he had said.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

From me of course

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Getting on with the game, I think AE's analysis is very thorough and well-thought out; however, I still am feeling strongly about Gramm. Dubb's emotional post moves him even farther up my list. He looks like he's getting desperate.

I think what we need to look at now is why is he getting desperate? Because he and Grammaticus are the only wolves left (maybe one more)? Maybe because Grammaticus is some super secret role for the wolves? Because he's the spy?

After the last lynching, I think we need to look at those who aren't willing to lynch Grammaticus last time or this time.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

OOG: Personally, I don't get that impression at all from dubb. Then again, I'm not exactly the best judge of character here since I did pretty much the same thing to saldana the first game he played on FOFC. That being said, I see the error of my ways and even though I may not mean anything by it personally, the people who are on the receiving end may take it that way. So in essence, I would agree that he needs to apologize if you're offended.

/OOG

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

I'm all for forcing people to defend their actions and decisions. In my work environment, I both expect it and people expect it from me. There's a right way and wrong to do it though. It's just a game and insulting people's intelligence goes over the line, way over, with me and shows you don't have the ability to debate on an even platform since you had to resort to name calling.

I don't think I've had the greatest game ever played, but at least I'm trying rather than meta-analysing everyone else.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

That's why it seems like a desperate ploy. A rude one, but still a ploy.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:42 PM

I'll go ahead and toss my vote out there since you all know where it's going to be. I will only change the vote to dubb or Kwhit should the tide turn that way, but I won't vote on anyone else even if it means saving myself (i.e. tilting the vote just to stay alive).

This is my first game of Werewolf and it's been extremly fun and I hope that I've become a better player each day and will do much better in the early parts of any other game I'm in.

Vote Grammaticus

Superman=#54 · 01-16-2006, 01:43 PM

Circle of Trust
Schmidty
Ardent
Raiders
Desnudo

Nuetral
Kingfc
RPI
Jesse

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I'm all for forcing people to defend their actions and decisions. In my work environment, I both expect it and people expect it from me. There's a right way and wrong to do it though. It's just a game and insulting people's intelligence goes over the line, way over, with me and shows you don't have the ability to debate on an even platform since you had to resort to name calling.

I don't think I've had the greatest game ever played, but at least I'm trying rather than meta-analysing everyone else.

Excatly. Dubb is usually a bit more helpful/analytical in these games. This game, he's been nothing but emotional. Makes you really wonder, doesn't it?

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:45 PM

I'd also like to point out that according to my records, Pass is neither dead nor has voted more than once.

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:45 PM

FWIW, I have no circle of trust. I only have an idea of what makes sense to me. Right now it makes sense to me to lynch Grammaticus. I'm also suspicious of:

dubb93
Coder
Jesse Ewiak

And once again I see Jesse in the thread but not saying anything...then again, I have today off so I can just sit here and look for new updates in the thread.

Jesse_Ewiak · 01-16-2006, 01:46 PM

At this point, best bet is to vote Gram. Worst-case he's a wizard and in this case, it is his fault for all but saying he's the duke. Hopefully, he nails a wolf and we all live another day.

If he is a wolf, worst case is he's a brutal wolf-type and we still get a wolf out of the deal even if we lose a wizard.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse_Ewiak

If he is a wolf, worst case is he's a brutal wolf-type and we still get a wolf out of the deal even if we lose a wizard.

What does that mean? can a wolf kill someone even if they're lynched?

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

FWIW, I have no circle of trust. I only have an idea of what makes sense to me. Right now it makes sense to me to lynch Grammaticus. I'm also suspicious of:

dubb93
Coder
Jesse Ewiak

And once again I see Jesse in the thread but not saying anything...then again, I have today off so I can just sit here and look for new updates in the thread.

The problem is that too many people have been quiet. There's a group that seems to be involved in most of the discussions and everyone else is silent except for voting. Obviously not all the silent ones, or maybe even any are DEs, but it makes it a pain. I would ask any wizards that have the opportunity, to post more, so that we can start getting better track records on people.

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

What does that mean? can a wolf kill someone even if they're lynched?

It means before we kill him, he'll kill one of us.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

What does that mean? can a wolf kill someone even if they're lynched?

It's a role that's been in other games, basically, the wolf dies, but can take one or two others with him. Kind of an evil duke role.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:51 PM

Ok. Ouch

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

1.Alan T, Wizard, Potions Master, Lynched Day 3
2.SnDvls, Death Eater, Occlumens, Lynched Day 2
3.Barkeep49, Wizard, Retired Auror, Murdered Night 1
4.Path12
5.Mr. Wednesday
6.Ardent Enthusiast
7.Dacman
8.Lathum
9.Blade6119, Wizard, Master of DAtDA, Poisoned Night 1
10.St Cronin
11.Passacaglia
12.Desnudo
13.Coder
14.Raiders Army
15.Schmidty
16.KWhit
17.TazFTW
18.Dubb93
19.JeeberD
20.WVUFan
21.Kingfc22
22.Superman=#54
23.RPI-Fan
24.Grammaticus
25.Coffee Warlord
26.Neon_Chaos, Wizard, Legilimens, Murdered, Night 2
27.Jesse_Ewiak
28.Qwikshot - Death Eater, student of magic, lynched day 1

Hmmm...post #1. I gotta look to see how updated it is.

Poli · 01-16-2006, 01:51 PM

I'll admit to deleting posts after I died in the spawn game. I was a little ticked when I was killed off for using my duke role.

Wish I hadn't done that now, but I did do it.

SnDvls · 01-16-2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

The problem is that too many people have been quiet. There's a group that seems to be involved in most of the discussions and everyone else is silent except for voting. Obviously not all the silent ones, or maybe even any are DEs, but it makes it a pain. I would ask any wizards that have the opportunity, to post more, so that we can start getting better track records on people.

I'd post more, but I'm dead

BTW I played the dumbest WW game because I'm already dead

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 01:53 PM

Actually the dead were the most active over the weekend.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 01:54 PM

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do the DEs get by killing Dacman last night?

Jesse_Ewiak · 01-16-2006, 01:56 PM

Um...another dead wizard. Which, Gramm's non-death when he's all but said "I'm the Duke" is the only reason why I think he might have a brutal wolf type role.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do the DEs get by killing Dacman last night?

My guess is that they kill a wizard that no one was sure of. He wasn't clearly supporting anyone, and he was not a real suspect to anyone (?). Therefore, they killed the wizard least likely to lead us to another deatheater.. if that makes sense.

Had they killed Desnudo, Schmidty or me, the rest of you had turned straight to Gram/dubb et al based on our suspicions.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do the DEs get by killing Dacman last night?

That's the dumbest question ever asked on any internet message board in the history of the world.

I don't know, maybe he was on to something? Or just random selection.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 01:59 PM

..and had they killed Gram or dubb, we would have been suspected.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

That's the dumbest question ever asked on any internet message board in the history of the world.

hoopsguy · 01-16-2006, 02:01 PM

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That's the dumbest question ever asked on any internet message board in the history of the world.

This is quite possibly the dumbest observation ever in the history of language. My eyes began bleeding upon reading this and I immediately fell to a lower IQ bracket. Please don't do this to us again.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

..and had they killed Gram or dubb, we would have been suspected.

If Gram and Dubb weren't DEs, all the DEs would have had to do was kill me in the night. Not only would I be dead, but Gram and/or Dubb would have been toast too. Good point.

Jesse_Ewiak · 01-16-2006, 02:04 PM

As a side note, I'm heading to movies/dinner/etc. in a few here, so there's no guarantee that I'll be back for a vote. GOOOOOOOOO WIZARDS!

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

This is quite possibly the dumbest observation ever in the history of language. My eyes began bleeding upon reading this and I immediately fell to a lower IQ bracket. Please don't do this to us again.

Sorry for making your eyes bleed. Sort of.

Okay, can someone please argue the other side of this for me? What strategy would the DEs employ that would mean they want to keep the duke alive? Meaning, why kill someone like Dacman, who didn't appear to have a role, when you know who the duke is? I'm looking for anything.

01-16-2006, 01:28 PM	#1714
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	For what it's worth I wasn't terribly offended by being called the worst Werewolf-player to ever play the game... after voting out Wednesday I certainly felt like it. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 01:31 PM	#1717
Superman=#54 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL	On another note Jesse doesn't seem to be on anyone's trusted/distrusted list. Jesse and RPI are the amazing invisible wizards. Edit: for spelling __________________ New signature pending.... Last edited by Superman=#54 : 01-16-2006 at 01:32 PM.

01-16-2006, 01:36 PM	#1719
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Getting on with the game, I think AE's analysis is very thorough and well-thought out; however, I still am feeling strongly about Gramm. Dubb's emotional post moves him even farther up my list. He looks like he's getting desperate. I'll wait to see more today, but for now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with Gram. Even if he is the Duke, we lose nothing AND essentially clear 2-3 people. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-16-2006, 01:42 PM	#1726
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	I'll go ahead and toss my vote out there since you all know where it's going to be. I will only change the vote to dubb or Kwhit should the tide turn that way, but I won't vote on anyone else even if it means saving myself (i.e. tilting the vote just to stay alive). This is my first game of Werewolf and it's been extremly fun and I hope that I've become a better player each day and will do much better in the early parts of any other game I'm in. Vote Grammaticus __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 01:43 PM	#1727
Superman=#54 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL	Circle of Trust Schmidty Ardent Raiders Desnudo Nuetral Kingfc RPI Jesse __________________ New signature pending....

01-16-2006, 01:11 PM	#1702
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Back. I agree; if we go with Grammaticus today and he truly is who he says he is, then he can lynch Coder (or whoever).

01-16-2006, 01:22 PM	#1708
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Yes, that's fine in all, but I would hope people remember it's a game and there's no need for personal insults. For example, I could call Dubb an arrogant jerk who's main contribution thus far has been to criticise other people's logic, but I won't.

01-16-2006, 01:45 PM	#1729
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	I'd also like to point out that according to my records, Pass is neither dead nor has voted more than once. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 01:45 PM	#1730
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	FWIW, I have no circle of trust. I only have an idea of what makes sense to me. Right now it makes sense to me to lynch Grammaticus. I'm also suspicious of: dubb93 Coder Jesse Ewiak And once again I see Jesse in the thread but not saying anything...then again, I have today off so I can just sit here and look for new updates in the thread.

01-16-2006, 01:46 PM	#1731
Jesse_Ewiak Banned Join Date: Apr 2004	At this point, best bet is to vote Gram. Worst-case he's a wizard and in this case, it is his fault for all but saying he's the duke. Hopefully, he nails a wolf and we all live another day. If he is a wolf, worst case is he's a brutal wolf-type and we still get a wolf out of the deal even if we lose a wizard.

01-16-2006, 01:51 PM	#1736
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Ok. Ouch __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 01:51 PM	#1738
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'll admit to deleting posts after I died in the spawn game. I was a little ticked when I was killed off for using my duke role. Wish I hadn't done that now, but I did do it. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-16-2006, 01:53 PM	#1740
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Actually the dead were the most active over the weekend.

01-16-2006, 01:54 PM	#1741
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do the DEs get by killing Dacman last night? __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-16-2006, 01:56 PM	#1742
Jesse_Ewiak Banned Join Date: Apr 2004	Um...another dead wizard. Which, Gramm's non-death when he's all but said "I'm the Duke" is the only reason why I think he might have a brutal wolf type role.

01-16-2006, 01:59 PM	#1745
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	..and had they killed Gram or dubb, we would have been suspected. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 02:04 PM	#1749
Jesse_Ewiak Banned Join Date: Apr 2004	As a side note, I'm heading to movies/dinner/etc. in a few here, so there's no guarantee that I'll be back for a vote. GOOOOOOOOO WIZARDS!

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