Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[BrianD]

I thought things were supposed to get easier after the night actions, not more confusing.

[hoopsguy]

I'm enjoying the mayhem from the sidelines now that I'm caught up with this monster of a game.

[Chief Rum]

I think you should do what's best for you, tangle, as obviously something in real life has mucked things up for you (which is understandable).

That said, if it's just a choice between 9 and 10, and it doesn't have an impact on what you have going on, I think it would be better to go with 10 to give people a chance to get back here to vote. If they won't out for a Labor Day BBQ, for instance, they may not get back in time.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Hey don't complain to me. Complain to tangle. I pretty much said what was in my PM without quoting it to break rules. If you don't believe me, check my shoulder, I'm pretty sure the gash is still there

So whats with your buddy saying mustang attacked you. The same guy who was wrong about blade, and would never explain himself.

You and I both know you didn't scan me because you want me to remain suspicious. Throwing in this mustang attack is just icing on the cake.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Im not voting anything until I hear your reasoning and I hear greyfooroo chiming in.

Grey already told us he scanned mustang last night, so this should be a very easy vote if both of you come up together on this.

Ah, now I get why you guys chose mustang.

[Chief Rum]

I will wait on grey before I say one thing or another. I don't have much reason to doubt saldana and AlanT, most of the statements of whom have ended up true (or with the ring of truth, short of some amazing conspiracy). But if grey did scan mustang last night, that would certainly clear things up a bit.

If mustang is cleared, my vote will be between st. cronin, Fouts and saldana.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm enjoying the mayhem from the sidelines now that I'm caught up with this monster of a game.

Too bad you're not playing. We could use another veteran scanning these posts, these guys are running me in circles.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Ah, now I get why you guys chose mustang.

I have a feeling, you are about to lose the game for us. Just think things through, have I come out at any point saying I think you are suspicious? Or a top candidate? If I had to choose of the people we haven't cleared as non-chaos, probably only Swaggs is less likely in my mind to be chaos than you.

I still stand by my reasoning and have done everything possible to try to get as much information out there while staying alive. If you choose to not listen to it, then nothing will convince you other than seeing my dead body with loyal human marked up there.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I will wait on grey before I say one thing or another. I don't have much reason to doubt saldana and AlanT, most of the statements of whom have ended up true (or with the ring of truth, short of some amazing conspiracy). But if grey did scan mustang last night, that would certainly clear things up a bit.

If mustang is cleared, my vote will be between st. cronin, Fouts and saldana.

What? If Mustang is cleared, my vote will be on saldana.

[saldana]

ok here is all i got, and how i am sure this time even though i was wrong about blade.

i am not a normal spy. as Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators, i am, as all Navigators are, a Pysker. Because of my advanced status in the Guild, I have become capable of using the powers of the Warp to perform remote viewings.

some of these visions are much more clear than others.

On night one, i had several visions, but they were not entirely clear..
-i saw king doing something in relation to St Cronin (which is why i immediately accepted kings role reveal and unvoted him yesterday)
-

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I have a feeling, you are about to lose the game for us.

That is pretty cruel, but I think what you intended has worked. I'll be back at the deadline.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Fouts

What? If Mustang is cleared, my vote will be on saldana.

That's why he is on my list. That and the Blade thing make him very suspicious. He would be on the top of my list, actually. The only thing speaking for him is Alan, and that's what holds me back (and confuses me tons, because I believe Alan).

Nuff said about why I view you and st. cronin as suspicious. If it makes you feel any better, I am a lot more suspicious of st. cronin and his "beware killing me" stance than I am you.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Ah, now I get why you guys chose mustang.

Fill me in please. Do you think Grey is working with Alan/Saldana and will back up their story?

[saldana]

my next two visions were what caused my screw up about blade...

i saw twothree working over the astrominican, he was taking readings of activity going on in the warp. one of the readings he was taking was an amount of energy directed towards blade

i then had a vision of blade talking to someone....i could not make out who

i added these two things together to conclude that blade had been converted, since he said he didnt speak with anyone in person, so it didnt make sense to me that he was anything but lying...that was obviously a mistake
.....

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Fouts

That is pretty cruel, but I think what you intended has worked. I'll be back at the deadline.

If you mean I want you to duke me, I really don't. But right now I don't know what else to do to try to win your trust. I actually went to scan you last night in hopes to have the duking ability on our side (or know it was on our side). Unfortunatly I never made it there. I don't mean anything mean to you Fouts, but I clearly know what you felt like in the game where Lathum summoned you as an avatar and despite you telling the truth, no one believed you.

Im at a point where I did I think the best I could to clear people, and if the only way to keep everyone's mind at easy is for me to die, then so be it. I think it would be a bad mistake though and would do the wolves work for us. Ive been very open on my thoughts and I have been wrong alot more than right this game.. but I still have given you my beliefs.

If you still think Im bad, then yes your duking me would definitly kill me where half the remaining people alive either know or feel strongly Im good.

[saldana]

finally, i saw golden eagle in his room, trying to determine if blade was chaos or not. i didnt hold this as a vindication of blade when GE came to his defense, as the order of actions is unknown...if ge's scan came before the conversion it was meaningless, and i didnt take it into account.

on night 2 my visions were shitty....

i saw alan doing his interview, but could not see who he was with....

i saw someone investigating alan (we now know it was king)

and i saw fozzie die, but didnt see who it was...

obvioulsy with this crappy ass load of info i laid low on day 3 after the disaster of blade.

[saldana]

night 3 wasnt helpful either...

i saw mustang going out, but didnt see what he was doing (obviously, he was killing path at the time)

i saw grey and bullet in the same vision but it was not clear what they were doing, or even if they were together

and i again saw alan doing an interview

then last night i had two crystal clear visions...the first one has no information pertinent to anything...but the second was as plain as day...

mustang left his room, carrying a knife....he attacked alanT, there was a fight and he left....


i realize i messed up the blade thing...it was a connect a dot situation and i missed a dot somehow....this is not the same....i guarantee that mustang attacked alan last night.

[Greyroofoo]

I visited Mustang last night and I found him awake and quivering. I wasn't there to judge him just that I wanted him to turn toward the light and follow the Emperor. I believe I have saved him.

Mustang is now loyal to the Emperor.

[Fouts]

Before I go.

vote saldana

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

I visited Mustang last night and I found him awake and quivering. I wasn't there to judge him just that I wanted him to turn toward the light and follow the Emperor. I believe I have saved him.

Mustang is now loyal to the Emperor.

Oh come on.

[Fouts]

unvote saldana

I give up.

[saldana]

btw, my little blow up at fouts was a complete contrivance....i had had shitty visions 2 nights in a row and was questioning if i was going to get anything worth reporting on...i was trying to over-state my importance hoping to get the wolves attention so they would kill me instead of 23 tonight....fouts' insistance about my reveal just gave me an easy opportunity to overdramatize the situation

[Greyroofoo]

I personally want to hear Mustang before I vote.

[st.cronin]

Fouts, damn it, stop thinking along with me. It creeps me out.

Saldana and AlanT = mutants? What does that make Mustang?

[saldana]

and after that little post of greys, here is my suspect list

1. mustang
2. grey
3. bullet or chief rum

[Alan T]

I don't even want to vote today.

This is crazy.. so mustang may be evil or may not be... of course mustang will come out saying he was converted or something and dont kill him (even if he wasnt)...

If we go ahead and kill him, he'll turn up good if he was converted...

ugh

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by saldana

and after that little post of greys, here is my suspect list

1. mustang
2. grey
3. bullet or chief rum

uhh bullet died.. he was a good guy

[st.cronin]

So saldana and Alan want us to vote for Mustang. Grey wants us NOT to vote for Mustang.

I think I'll

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[BrianD]

So Mustang was Chaos and attacked Alan, but now he has been turned non-Chaos so even if we kill him, we can't verify the story?

I'd like to hear more about the attack that supposedly happened. It seems convenient that the details I gave out about my attack were repeated for this attack. Now let's see if any of the details I left out will be repeated...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by BrianD

So Mustang was Chaos and attacked Alan, but now he has been turned non-Chaos so even if we kill him, we can't verify the story?

I'd like to hear more about the attack that supposedly happened. It seems convenient that the details I gave out about my attack were repeated for this attack. Now let's see if any of the details I left out will be repeated...

This implies that Alan and grey are in cahoots. Which I am not quite willing to accept.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

So saldana and Alan want us to vote for Mustang. Grey wants us NOT to vote for Mustang.

I think I'll

VOTE CHIEF RUM

You know Cronin, its hard to piss me off in a game, but if you attribute one more thing to me making up stories about me, I'll just vote you every single time until either I die or you die.

Come on, stop making up crap. I have no clue what to think about mustang, and I havent told anyone to vote for him, and i havent voted for him yet myself.

[saldana]

fouts, you have played enough of these games with me to know i have never gotten personal before like i did with you....even at the height of blade's antagonism, i never snapped back at him, but i lost it at you????

i was trying to serve a purpose for the imperium by distracting the wolves because i didnt have anything more valuable to contribute...read my recap posts...everything i have said adds up...i am not lying about this

[Alan T]

The only reason I've given a pass to greyfooroo so far is Goldeneagle vouching for him (when I know Goldeneagle is loyal to the emperor.) GE, how confident are you that greyroofoo is good? Is it something you are 100% sure on, or just something you assumed based on the night action?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Alan T

uhh bullet died.. he was a good guy

slight oversight.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by what tanglewood must be thinking

dance my little ants, dance!!

[st.cronin]

Fine, get pissed off at me Alan. You claim to be a villager, and claim to be attacked, and saldana comes forward and says Mustang attacked you. My conclusion: You and sal want us to vote for Mustang. But go ahead and get pissed off, and make it seem like I'm being completely unreasonable.

I don't believe the Chaos have two kills, and I believe Chaos killed twothree, so I don't believe Mustang ever was Chaos.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Fouts, damn it, stop thinking along with me. It creeps me out.

Saldana and AlanT = mutants? What does that make Mustang?

That makes mustang and grey chaos, but how does alan thwart a night attack? Roll of the dice?

[tanglewood]

The deadline is currently 9PM EST, but I reserve the right to extend it by one hour depending on how well voter turnout looks in the time leading up to the deadline.

[Alan T]

Hell, I give up. Im out for the night, I just won't vote. Do whatever you all want. Its obvious that you all won't listen to reason anyways.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Fine, get pissed off at me Alan. You claim to be a villager, and claim to be attacked, and saldana comes forward and says Mustang attacked you. My conclusion: You and sal want us to vote for Mustang. But go ahead and get pissed off, and make it seem like I'm being completely unreasonable.

I don't believe the Chaos have two kills, and I believe Chaos killed twothree, so I don't believe Mustang ever was Chaos.

Yeah, the pissed off thing is something they like to use when under stress. If Mustang was never chaos, then grey is working with alan and saldana.

[saldana]

tangle, take it from experience...if you want to extend it that is fine, but do it now...dont wait until the end...i did that in the star wars game and it was the biggest screw up ever.

[Alan T]

By the way, when they kill me and I turn up like I have said the entire game. Go after Fouts and St.cronin. I think they are the ones pulling the strings. I'll check back in after 9 to see if I even need to bother scanning someone or not.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by saldana

fouts, you have played enough of these games with me to know i have never gotten personal before like i did with you....even at the height of blade's antagonism, i never snapped back at him, but i lost it at you????

i was trying to serve a purpose for the imperium by distracting the wolves because i didnt have anything more valuable to contribute...read my recap posts...everything i have said adds up...i am not lying about this

Sorry saldana. With every post I have seen from you, I trust you less and less. Go ahead and throw things around the room and call me names.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Hell, I give up. Im out for the night, I just won't vote. Do whatever you all want. Its obvious that you all won't listen to reason anyways.

alan, you have trusted me since the 2nd day...i am telling you that mustang attacked you.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by saldana

tangle, take it from experience...if you want to extend it that is fine, but do it now...dont wait until the end...i did that in the star wars game and it was the biggest screw up ever.

If the deadline is to be extended, it will be announced well in advance, as in at least one hour before hand.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Sorry saldana. With every post I have seen from you, I trust you less and less. Go ahead and throw things around the room and call me names.

then just kill me and when i come up a good guy you can kill mustang tomorrow.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Yeah, the pissed off thing is something they like to use when under stress. If Mustang was never chaos, then grey is working with alan and saldana.

I doubt there are three bad guys working together. It's possible grey and Alan are working together - the story doesn't make any sense no matter how you put it together. I think this is probably like the Blade situation earlier where nobody understands what actually happened. I'll keep my vote on Chief Rum.

Note - grey never said Mustang was Chaos. He said whatever he was before, now he's good. I think Mustang is definitely good now, and probably always has been.

[BrianD]

For what it is worth, I am pretty convinced that Grey was good when he visited me on night 2. From the description of the encounter, I assumed that he would have killed me had I been Chaos, but I suppose a conversion could be possible.

Alan, do you have any more detail on your attack?

Mustang, do you have anything to say?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by saldana

alan, you have trusted me since the 2nd day...i am telling you that mustang attacked you.

No thats the thing, this game makes no sense in my head, and I have no idea who I trust anymore. I know who tangle told me are not chaos, and I have no idea if all of those people have even not been converted yet.

I don't understand how we have multiple seers.
I dont understand how the bad guys have multiple kill attacks where one seems to always fail (BrianD one night, me last night)
I don't have any clue to how we can track down mutants since I obviously cant.
I have no idea what to do to get people to believe me

This is the first game where I almost wish I had died day 3 or before. Its giving me indigestion. All I know is I will get some vindication when I eventually do die and people see I was telling the complete truth. Until then I'm just getting frustrated at people not being reasonable.. which probably is their goal.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Sorry saldana. With every post I have seen from you, I trust you less and less. Go ahead and throw things around the room and call me names.

dola, i havent trusted you for days, and the fact that you refuse to believe me now after i have done exactly what you asked me to do (reveal my role and explain everything) only reinforces my belief that you are on the side of evil in this game.