09-20-2003, 04:26 PM | #1701 | |
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dola..... ran over there to make sure no draft times opened up, and what do ya' know..... everytime for the next two weeks is open..... right now we have....
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09-20-2003, 04:29 PM | #1702 |
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Grab it!
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09-20-2003, 04:38 PM | #1703 |
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I have the 9-26 draft at 8:10 reserved...... My worry is for people like HB, which after thinking, God knows what time it's gonna be in Belgium. I guess we'll see what everybody has to say.....
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09-20-2003, 05:39 PM | #1704 |
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That is ok... would prefer not on a Friday night, but I'll try to be there.
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09-20-2003, 09:18 PM | #1705 |
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I'm a definate maybe for that draft time...but if i'm not there just auto me
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09-21-2003, 02:20 AM | #1706 |
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Would a Saturday afternoon time be better for eveyone?
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09-21-2003, 10:03 AM | #1707 |
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Friday, Saturday or Sunday would work for me.
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09-21-2003, 11:18 AM | #1708 |
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Whatever time is fine for me.
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09-21-2003, 04:06 PM | #1709 |
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Hey i'm the Michigan Mittens
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09-21-2003, 04:10 PM | #1710 |
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Saturday would be better for me, too.
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09-21-2003, 04:12 PM | #1711 |
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I have to agree since I'll be at the Royals game Friday night.
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09-21-2003, 05:09 PM | #1712 | |
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09-22-2003, 07:17 AM | #1713 |
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I'll be out of town next weekend, in New York for a wedding. I will leave it up to Robo-HB to draft for me. He did ok last year. I'll pre-rank some players later in the week.
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09-22-2003, 01:55 PM | #1714 |
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Greatest.Thread.Ever.
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09-22-2003, 01:55 PM | #1715 |
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Greatest.Thread.Ever.
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09-22-2003, 01:58 PM | #1716 | |
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Thanks for trying to look out for me! I really appreciated, from one Lions' fan to another. For future knowledge, Brussels is 6 hours ahead of EST. So, I am six hours ahead of most of you, and somewhere between 8-9 hours ahead of the Alberta boys. This why I seem so smart and knowledgeable all of the time. I know what happens before you guys do. |
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09-22-2003, 04:43 PM | #1717 | |
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So great you had to say it twice? Hey! Enough fantasy hockey talk! This thread is for hockey talk only! You F***ers want to talk fantasy hockey do it some other thread. I keep coming in here looking for hockey news, like where the hell the Oilers are going to trade Comrie, and all I read is crap about some fantasy hockey draft. |
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09-22-2003, 04:59 PM | #1718 | |
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Shouldn't we be working towards a more tolerant and happy hockey thread? One where all philosophies of hockey are accepted and welcomed by one and all? One where we can all live in global hockey harmony. Oh... and one more thing Red Wings Suck EDIT: (I don't think I'll be able to do much talking once the season begins. Tho, the 'hawks did have the wings number last year with that 3-0-0-2 mark. Still, it was a mediocre team last year and their offseason consisted of adding three guys who got 48 points and a -37 +/- last year) SI
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09-22-2003, 05:05 PM | #1719 |
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LOL
You've convinced me. |
09-22-2003, 05:27 PM | #1720 |
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Black Hawks swallow. But at least you probably don't have to worry about watching all those pesky late April/May games when the weather starts getting nice
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09-22-2003, 05:52 PM | #1721 | |
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09-22-2003, 05:54 PM | #1722 |
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Some hockey news.
It appears the Marc Andre-Fleury has a decent shot to make the Penguins. He has been strong in camp and saved 22 of 23 in his only preseason action so far. Todd
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09-22-2003, 08:05 PM | #1723 |
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I heard that. I still doubt it's the best move for Fleury to make the team. It's just to risky for a young goalie. But if anyone could handle it, it would probably be Fleury.
BTW, in case anyone cares, Sidney Crosby was named offensive player of the week in the QMJHL. After his first game (where he scored a hat trick to lead Rimouski back after training 3-0), he was shutout in his second game, scored 5 points in his third (2 G, 3 A - including the game winning goal 9 seconds into overtime), and then 1 assist in his fourth game. EDIT: For comparisons, Mario Lemieux scored 96 points in 64 games in his first season in the Q (as a 16 year old - the same age as Crosby). However, since then the Q has less offensive.
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09-29-2003, 08:42 AM | #1724 | |
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This is why I love Bob Gainey...
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09-29-2003, 08:50 AM | #1725 |
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I think Montreal's problem is that they need more defensemen, and less "rearguards."
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09-29-2003, 11:17 AM | #1726 |
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WHEE...we got Klee....
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09-30-2003, 01:33 PM | #1727 |
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09-30-2003, 07:07 PM | #1728 |
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Oh yeah! Well we signed Ethan Moreau to a 4 year contract the other day. That's a guaranteed 30 goals over 4 years. So take that.
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09-30-2003, 09:48 PM | #1729 |
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Oh wow! Anyone who hasn't- check out the story about Heatley and Dan Snyder on the Thrashers. Apparently they were speeding, lost control of the car, and crashed into a wall. Snyder is still in a coma and Heatley faces criminal charges.
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It's going to be a long 11 months, I think
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10-02-2003, 10:08 PM | #1731 |
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I have a feeling...and hope,that they just extend the current contract.It looks like the owners have controlled themselves over the summer in regards to spending...so perhaps there is no need for a cap?
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10-02-2003, 11:05 PM | #1732 |
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I don't share your optimism. Extending the deal just prolongs the suffering. I think the only reason the salaries were controlled was under the threat of uncertainty in the labour agreement, and that was by both the players and the owners. Take that away and salaries continue to rise. Then maybe you get some bonehead new owner come in (like a Russian in Vancouver?) and start throwing money around paying 8 million a year for a 3rd line center, suddenly every 3rd line center in the league starts thinking they should be paid 8 million a year, and we're right back to Bankrupt City, Population: 1/2 the NHL.
I also don't think just a cap will solve all the problems, and Bettman saying that "the hockey business, from revenue and attendance and exposure standpoints, from a licensing and sponsorship standpoint, has probably never been stronger" is such crap. Maybe 5 years ago that was true. That certainly isn't true today. We had two teams almost close up shop during last season for crying out loud, who is he trying to kid? He's too busy spinning PR then working on fixing the problems with the league. A cap might make the small market teams more competitive (read as league parity), but it certainly won't magically increase revenue by $300 million the league is reportedly losing a season (even though from an attendance standpoint, the NHL has never been stronger). But who am I to throw stones. I'll gladly pay $50 a night to watch 40 men give half an effort for 80% of the season, even though I get more enjoyment out of watching my kid brother play rep hockey in Sherwood Park, and after the labour lockout, I'll still come back drooling for more (and probably pay more for it as well). It's sad, really. |
10-02-2003, 11:20 PM | #1733 |
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Funny how this sounds a lot like baseball. And after all the haggling, they even made a more "owner friendly" deal than before and nothing at all changed..
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10-03-2003, 08:54 AM | #1734 |
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I love hockey, but I want to see a work stoppage. A long one. It's the only way we're going to see real change to a system that's horribly broken.
The NHL sucks right now. Not all of that is because of the off-ice stuff, of course, but that's part of it. I'm willing to go without hockey for a year if it means they fix this once and for all. Institute a salary cap. The NFL and NBA have one. Baseball at least has a luxury tax. There's no reason why the NHL, by far the least successful of the big four, should be the only league without anything. Find a system that allows the mid-markets to compete. Let the small markets go out of business. There's not enough talent out there for 30 teams anyways. Just don't take the easy way out. Get it done, no matter how painful. |
10-03-2003, 09:20 AM | #1735 |
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insightful...i have to say i agree....except for the fact i have strong fantasy team and dont want to see it go bye-bye
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I agree. There is way more broken here than just the labour agreement. But a bad deal or a long stoppage means the end of the Flames and Oilers, and I'm not willing to settle for that. And that also means instead of 3/4 of the games on HNIC featuring the Leafs, they'll all be on the Leafs. Hell, they might as well just rename it Hockey Night with Toronto. If anything could turn me away from hockey, that'd be it. I'll have to spend Saturday nights talking with my girlfriend or something. *Shudders at the thought* |
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10-03-2003, 10:30 AM | #1737 | |
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I could see a worst-case scenario where the Flames went away, but I suspect the Oilers will be fine. P.S. The country gets Maple Leaf games because, when they put other teams on, nobody watches. |
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10-03-2003, 10:39 AM | #1738 |
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Baseball had big problems....had a work stoppage and STILL did'nt fix anything.A work stoppage in no way means that Hockeys broken economics will be fixed.
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I'd also love to see a stoppage. I'd honestly like to see the whole thing blown up. Start from scratch with some realistic salary levels in cities that actually care, even when their team isn't necessarily winning.
It's funny, people always mention how the NFL has the best system, but that it can't truly be copied because no other league has the TV revenues like they do. But beyond the revenue sharing, the other thing the NFL's salary cap structure creates is the much talked-about 'parity', and this is where fans really win. In the NFL, every fan in almost every city can be optomistic on day 1, because almost every team has a realistic shot at making a run. And even the teams that are rebuilding can do so in a relatively short period of time (assuming their management isn't full of boneheads). In the NHL, if you aren't one of the elite teams, your chances of becoming one are slim. The same 6 or 7 teams dominate every year, because they can simply sign all the good players and all the good players want to play for them. Even when the other teams decide they have the money to spend, it's still hard to attract big names because the big names would rather play for a winner now, not sometime in the future. If the NHL wants to be succesful, they need to do the following: 1) Institute a salary cap. And not something stupid like in basketball or the crap they have in baseball. A nice, hard, cap. 2) Institute a salary floor. Just like there shouldn't be any New York Rangers spend-a-thons, there shouldn't be any Pittsburgh Penguins sell-everything-that's-not-tied-down-a-thons either. 3) Get rid of guaranteed contracts. Theo Fleury, you better be listening. Umm, you too CuJo. 4) Implement a "franchise player" tag similar to the NFL's Of course, will this ever happen? No. In the end, I suspect the owners will fold just like they always do.
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I was really hoping for one from baseball this time around to fix the problems. Instead we got a half assed bandaid, the Yankees still spent $160M this year and half the teams in the majors still have no legit prayer at the beginning of the year even with as much fun as I had watching the Royals this year. SI
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I think much of the problem stems from the commissioners of the leagues. In my mind Tagliabue and Stern are head and shoulders ahead of Selig and Bettman in almost all facets of their jobs, from the games themselves to how they want to handle marketing, advertising, etc. Not to mention their relations with their respective unions. Football and basketball unions at least seem to sometimes be on the same page as the owners/commissioner, but rarely if ever is this seen in baseball or hockey. Baseball and hockey owners/players seem more intent on proving their side is right than on working out an equitable deal for both sides.
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Ah, but I didn't say they wouldn't benifit from a new system. I said a bad deal or a long lockout would be the death of them, what they need is a new system, but they need it now. The owners (Oilers) themselves have said they will pull out if they don't get a favorable agreement. I assume that under a lockout, they would still have operating expenses, and neither team has a big pool of cash to operate from. As the lockout drags on, the owner group starts to fall apart like a house of cards. If I remember correctly one or two of the owners wanted to pull out last season, and the Oilers just broke even last season. If we're talking about writing off a season, forget it, those owners are gone. And the Leaf thing was just a joke. We see all the Oiler/Flame games on sportsnet anyway |
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10-03-2003, 05:06 PM | #1743 |
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Fidatelo, I agree with everything you said. It's especially sad that the players would never accept the 4 points you mentioned, just for the good of the game. They could surprise me, but the initial reactions from Goodenow don't look good. If he's starting to count every penny that teams are making, you can damn well be sure the players aren't going to give up anything just for the future of the sport.
Edit: To make myself clear, I agree with the need to have the whole system scrapped and start all over, not the long lockout part. But they probably go hand and hand. Last edited by klayman : 10-03-2003 at 05:16 PM. |
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Calgary had several sell outs last year and better average attendance than Ottawa. This is with a team that has missed the playoffs seven consecutive years. Make no mistakes, Calgary is a hockey city.
One more owner is on board, making the total 9, I believe - all/most in the resource sector not surprising. Corporate support is quite strong. Boxes are all sold. But as Klayman has already indicated, neither ownership group for the Alberta teams can hold out indefinitely. |
10-06-2003, 02:48 PM | #1746 |
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Draft Picks Signed
Pens Sign Fleury
ESPN reports that Stahl and Horton also signed, so the Top 3 picks in the draft will be in the NHL. Tod
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I notice the Hawks get one of their few games on tv this Wednesday on opening night!
EDIT: Actually, the Hawks have quite a few games on tv this year. Then again, there are very few not against teams named Detroit, Colorado, or Dallas. SI
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