Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

While i agree with the NU example, the Pac 10 is currently sharing less revenue per team then the Big 12 and it has 2 less members to cut the pie up with. So if the Big 12 handled itself with intelligence, they might have tried to pry USC, UCLA, etc. away from the Pac 10 and not have to go through these problems. The only reason they will make more money in the Pac is because the Pac 10 was smart enough to make the move first. So yes they will make more money, but if the Big 12 is currently making more money then the Pac 10 per team, i dont see why that wouldnt still apply if they cherry picked the cream of the Pac 10 crop and brought in the Phoenix, LA, and Seattle markets for example. I understand the logistics would be difficult with politics and all, but that hasnt stopped the Pac 10.

haha.

What?

[I. J. Reilly]

I wish everyone would hurry up and get this thing done. Not once have these AD’s and Presidents stopped to think about how much productivity they’re costing my employer. They are really being selfish about this.

[MJ4H]

ChipBrown says Colorado will announce the move to PAC-X today.

This will be fun. The SEC needs to move NOW.

[Arles]

I just think it's an easier sell to have Texas adding to the Pac-10 than California and Washington to a midwest conference. The reality is most people east of the Mississippi look at Texas as a "west coast state" anyway. I doubt many people could honestly consider California part of the midwest

[Butter]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Now SEC has apparently contacted FSU and Clemson.

Clemson in the SEC... ugh.

[MrBug708]

In 20 minutes Colorado is expected to announce a move to the PAC-10 through a press conference

Source: Colorado to announce Pac-10 move - ESPN

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

In 20 minutes Colorado is expected to announce a move to the PAC-10 through a press conference

Source: Colorado to announce Pac-10 move - ESPN

Nice. Let's get this party started.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Now SEC has apparently contacted FSU and Clemson.

The SEC has been doing this the right way and talking to a number of teams behind closed doors. Several more than FSU and Clemson.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

While noting that things didn't play out as quickly as Mizzou had hoped, I certainly haven't changed my opinion that Mizzou will get a bid. Most of that delay has happened due to Notre Dame strongly considering the move. They were all lined up to make the move with NU, MU, and Rutgers and add ND at 16 teams later on. But Notre Dame decided at the last minute maybe they should reconsider. So once again, we're waiting on Notre Dame.

Again, there is a difference between stating "this is what things look like and the direction they are moving" versus "this is what happened."

[Swaggs]

Washington to Texas A&M would have to be the most miles between conference mates in history.

Is anyone else excited by the potential of Colorado and Nebraska leaving and the remaining Big 12 having to play with 10 members for a year or two, while the Big Ten has 12 members?

[Arles]

This stuff has been behind closed doors for months for most of the conferences. The Pac-10 had initially contacted Texas and Colorado 6 months ago according to the Pac-10 commish. The problem was that once the Nebraska-Big 10 thing went public, everyone started to dig and all this came out.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Nice. Let's get this party started.

Also in that article

The coach said it's possible the Pac-16 would push for two automatic bids to the BCS, one for each division champion. That potential bonanza could open the possibility of the two division champs from one league playing for the national title, and it would eliminate the need for a conference championship game.

"The Pac-10 doesn't believe in a championship game," the coach said. "And coaches in the Big 12 don't like it anyway."

[MJ4H]

2 auto-bids aint happening.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by digamma

The SEC has been doing this the right way and talking to a number of teams behind closed doors. Several more than FSU and Clemson.

Agreed. SEC has been pretty tight with this info.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Clemson in the SEC... ugh.

I agree.. Clemson is one of the oldschool Tech rivalries that I enjoy. Every season, my cousins that went to Clemson and I trash talk before the Tech - Clemson game.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Washington to Texas A&M would have to be the most miles between conference mates in history.

Is anyone else excited by the potential of Colorado and Nebraska leaving and the remaining Big 12 having to play with 10 members for a year or two, while the Big Ten has 12 members?

This may be very ignorant, but would it have been THAT much further then say Michigan to Texas, which the Big 10 would have happily done? I think either one is flying distance, so im not sure I see a massive difference to me

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

haha.

What?

Basically if the Big 12 had its act together it could have raided the Pac 10 instead of the opposite happening

[Swaggs]

I'm really hoping that A&M ends up in the Pac 10(16).

It is easy to envision WVU being left out in the cold if there is a drastic realignment that includes the SEC taking from the ACC (w/o WVU), and then the ACC taking from the Big East. Having A&M takes away one seat in that scenario.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

This may be very ignorant, but would it have been THAT much further then say Michigan to Texas, which the Big 10 would have happily done? I think either one is flying distance, so im not sure I see a massive difference to me

It is a fair question that I don't know the answer to (I'm sure someone could figure it out easily enough). I'm basing it off of this:

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Basically if the Big 12 had its act together it could have raided the Pac 10 instead of the opposite happening

Wouldn't have happened

[Arles]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

2 auto-bids aint happening.

The practical reality is that's what would happen though. There's a reason the Big Ten has 9 at-large bids - more than any other conference. If the top 2 teams had to play in conf championship game, that number would be half.

If the Pac-10 doesn't make the "old Pac 8" division champ play the new division's champ, there's a decent chance the winners of both sides would have 0-1 loss. That pretty much puts both in the BCS each year. If they had to play and one ended up with 2+ losses, there's a better chance of only getting one team in.

So, while it wouldn't be officially 2 bids, the Pac-16 would be almost guaranteed 2 teams in the BCS if they didn't have a conf championship (much like the Big 10 has with its no conf champ and non-round robin schedule).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Washington to Texas A&M would have to be the most miles between conference mates in history.

1808 nautical miles according to travelmath.com

But not much worse than ECU to UTEP, 1692 miles

[Swaggs]

I'd guess that right now, it would be Miami to BC, Syracuse to USF, or Arizona to Washington.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

It is a fair question that I don't know the answer to (I'm sure someone could figure it out easily enough). I'm basing it off of this:

Based off my very official finger measurements, its 25% futher

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Wouldn't have happened

As a Pac 10 fan id agree, but with different circumstances it could have. The Pac 10 was able to raid the Big 12 because of both discontent and other conferences moving in concurrently. If were playing the what if, the Pac 10 could have had similar problems and been raided in my eyes.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

2 auto-bids aint happening.

Auto-bids aren't going to mean squat in 5-10 years. This is all building to a point where they start a 16 team playoff. They can then give an auto-bid to every D-I conference (much like they do right now in basketball) and then still have 10 or more at-large bids to make sure everyone that should be in is in fact in the tourney.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Clemson in the SEC... ugh.

Why ugh? That's one of the most logical conference change/best fits I can imagine and it's one that I've thought made a great deal of sense for years.

I usually referred to it as "just trade Clemson for Vandy and everyone is better off" *(money not withstanding)

[MrBug708]

What about Hawaii to one of its conference teammates?

[MJ4H]

Even Chip Brown is trolling Missouri fans, now, so don't feel bad for doing it here:
"If there was a way for the Big XII to stay together without Nebraska there might be a vote to kick out Missouri"

-Chip Brown on Norm Hitzges Show

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

It is a fair question that I don't know the answer to (I'm sure someone could figure it out easily enough). I'm basing it off of this:

Tucson to Seattle is 1200+ miles - by far one of the biggest gaps in the BCS conferences already. Seattle to College Station may be an extra 400-500 miles or so, but the Pac-10 has always had the largest distances to travel.

My point was that it's an easier sell to add Texas/A&M to the Pac-10 than it would be to add USC/UCLA to the Big 12. If people were talking about adding Missouri or Iowa State to the Pac-10, I'd be saying the same thing. Texas just has always been more of a western state than a midwestern one.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

As a Pac 10 fan id agree, but with different circumstances it could have. The Pac 10 was able to raid the Big 12 because of both discontent and other conferences moving in concurrently. If were playing the what if, the Pac 10 could have had similar problems and been raided in my eyes.

Obviously UCLA and USC would be the top targets, but they'd need Cal with UCLA (much like TAMU and Texas) and then Stanford would also come out. But the PAC-10 actully caters to the Cali schools as it is and that would cost them some power in a new conference

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Washington to Texas A&M would have to be the most miles between conference mates in history.

Is anyone else excited by the potential of Colorado and Nebraska leaving and the remaining Big 12 having to play with 10 members for a year or two, while the Big Ten has 12 members?

Hawaii to ???

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

What about Hawaii to one of its conference teammates?

beat me to it damn

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Arles

Tucson to Seattle is 1200+ miles - by far the biggest gap in any conference already. Seattle to College Station may be an extra 400 miles or so, but the Pac-10 has always had the largest distances to travel.

My point was that it's an easier sell to add Texas/A&M to the Pac-10 than it would be to add USC/UCLA to the Big 12. If people were talking about adding Missouri or Iowa State to the Pac-10, I'd be saying the same thing. Texas just has always been more of a western state than a midwestern one.

A UCLA/Cal/Stanford game at Baylor would be a sad sight to see with all of the empty seats

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Even Chip Brown is trolling Missouri fans, now, so don't feel bad for doing it here:
"If there was a way for the Big XII to stay together without Nebraska there might be a vote to kick out Missouri"

-Chip Brown on Norm Hitzges Show

Even Chip Brown? Does anyone actually consider the guy who writes for Texas' rival site to be impartial in any this? There is no secret that the south schools dont like Mizzou right now, so i wouldnt expect a writer paid to cander to these fans to say anything else.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Hawaii to ???

To be fair, I dont think that is the same just because Hawaii is so isolated and it's going to be a flight no matter where you end up.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

1808 nautical miles according to travelmath.com

But not much worse than ECU to UTEP, 1692 miles

I think we're leaving out some of the Hawaii to ???? commutes, though that obviously is a unique circumstance.

[Swaggs]

According to the map, Hawaii is way closer to San Diego State, USC, and Arizona than a lot of the other combinations.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Obviously UCLA and USC would be the top targets, but they'd need Cal with UCLA (much like TAMU and Texas) and then Stanford would also come out. But the PAC-10 actully caters to the Cali schools as it is and that would cost them some power in a new conference

The same power Texas is prob. having to give up to come over, its really quite similar, with three texas state schools and a private compared to three cali state schools and a private. And the other state schools the Pac is bringing has in state partners, just like the other Pac 10 teams would. Its really quite similar when you look at it.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

To be fair, I dont think that is the same just because Hawaii is so isolated and it's going to be a flight no matter where you end up.

yes but the question posed was conference mates

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

According to the map, Hawaii is way closer to San Diego State, USC, and Arizona than a lot of the other combinations.

According to the map Alaska should be a prime canidate for expansion with is close proximity to the Pac 10

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Even Chip Brown is trolling Missouri fans, now, so don't feel bad for doing it here:
"If there was a way for the Big XII to stay together without Nebraska there might be a vote to kick out Missouri"

-Chip Brown on Norm Hitzges Show

'Trolling" would be an accurate description.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

The same power Texas is prob. having to give up to come over, its really quite similar, with three texas state schools and a private compared to three cali state schools and a private. And the other state schools the Pac is bringing has in state partners, just like the other Pac 10 teams would. Its really quite similar when you look at it.

I think it's a little more centrally located for Texas then in the PAC-10. The only "biased" move that has happened in the PAC-10 was the tournament in Staples Center every year. That only happened when the PAC-10 told UCLA that if they voted for the tournament, they'd hold in Los Angeles. The only two dissenting schools were then Stanford and Arizona. An odd assortment. The PAC-10 is on the same page very often

[Galaxy]

The PAC-16 not having a championship game would look silly.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think it's a little more centrally located for Texas then in the PAC-10. The only "biased" move that has happened in the PAC-10 was the tournament in Staples Center every year. That only happened when the PAC-10 told UCLA that if they voted for the tournament, they'd hold in Los Angeles. The only two dissenting schools were then Stanford and Arizona. An odd assortment. The PAC-10 is on the same page very often

I completely agree, thats why the Pac 10 is raiding the conference that couldnt work out their issues or even agree they had issues. Hence why I said i could see it happening if roles were reversed and the Pac 10 was saddled with the issues the Big 12 has/had

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

The PAC-16 not having a championship game would look silly.

But would make total sense under the current BCS format.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

The same power Texas is prob. having to give up to come over, its really quite similar, with three texas state schools and a private compared to three cali state schools and a private. And the other state schools the Pac is bringing has in state partners, just like the other Pac 10 teams would. Its really quite similar when you look at it.

The difference is that Texas will be the top dog of their division in the Pac-16 and still wield a lot of power. If USC moved to the Big 12, they'd almost have to be in Texas' division for geography reasons - which would create a massive divisional power struggle with USC, Texas and potentially Oklahoma all in the same division.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Why ugh? That's one of the most logical conference change/best fits I can imagine and it's one that I've thought made a great deal of sense for years.

I usually referred to it as "just trade Clemson for Vandy and everyone is better off" *(money not withstanding)

It would be hard as a Clemson fan to just shed a deeply entrenched hatred of the SEC.

[Toddzilla]

Seems if the SEC were legitimately interested in expanding, it would do so in order to maximize the financial impact of the conference and the distribution of the SEC Network which I'm sure will debut posthaste. As such, with 4 teams to grab, wouldn't it make the most sense to expand the conference's footprint the most?

(1) A Texas School (UT or TAMU)
(2) A North Carolina School (UNC)
(3) A Virginia School (VT)
(4) ??? Another Florida school?

If UF really hates Miami or Florida State, you invite the other one and leave the school left out to dangle in the wind.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

The PAC-16 not having a championship game would look silly.

kinda like the Big 10 not playing everyone nor having one either or calling themselves the Big 10 and having 11 teams.