10-09-2008, 02:11 PM | #1651 | |
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The biggest reason I think I am holding off on attacking mimic today and instead going with nightcrawler is he claims that he can take care of Galactus, and I believe he says that he can do it by tommorrow. He also claims that it would fully clear him when he does it... so even though nearly zero of his arguements the past few days have made me feel comfortable, I am thinking perhaps based on risk vs reward it is worth waiting one more day to see how he performs vs Galacticus. If he doesn't, and it was all smoke, then we'll come after him strong at that point I guess. |
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10-09-2008, 02:12 PM | #1652 | |
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Well, let's narrow down the options. I don't think we should attack these fellows. From the Herald list I made earlier: 1. Nightcrawler 2. Emma Frost 9. Professor X 10. Mr. Fantastic 11. Iron Fist 13. Henry Pym 19. Firebird 22. Aardwolf 23. Nick Fury 25. Spider Man Take off Emma Frost, Professor X, Mr. Fantastic (who has supposedly created a machine to the Negative Zone), and Aardwolf and you're left with: Nightcrawler Iron Fist Henry Pym Firebird Nick Fury Spider Man I think if we go from this list, we'll either hit the Herald or a rebel. Thoughts? |
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10-09-2008, 02:13 PM | #1653 |
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You have a probing mind, indeed, Dr. Grey. Lord Doom has no reason to think these pathetic rebels had the ability to understand the genius of Dr. Doom. While they planned for victory they have tasted defeat.
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10-09-2008, 02:15 PM | #1654 | |
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One concern I have with how much everyone is hopping around teams is that one of the bonuses we receive is:
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10-09-2008, 02:16 PM | #1655 |
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I see no reason to think your list would find a rebel, Mimic. Finding the identity of the Herald is essential, but it is rebels that we need to kill.
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10-09-2008, 02:16 PM | #1656 |
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I reject the characterization of me as weak - in fact...if I wanted somebody dead, I have ways of making quite sure that that would happen.
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10-09-2008, 02:19 PM | #1657 | |
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10-09-2008, 02:20 PM | #1658 |
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Someone had the suggestion earlier that Galacticus's attack on SuperSkull (aka Human Torch) was action driven. Does anyone have a quick list of who has not expended points today by going on either mission? (Even though Galacticus mission hasn't left yet, we know who has signed up for it). I fully realize I am on that list, but I am curious if anyone is as a possible sign whom the herald might be.
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10-09-2008, 02:21 PM | #1659 |
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Of course.
It was more bristling at the characterization of me as weak or expendable. I believe I am anything but. Last time I utilized my powers too much and too often. This time I intentionally laid back and gathered some strength so that I might use them later. |
10-09-2008, 02:21 PM | #1660 | |
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Correction: I can hopefully take care of Galactus in two days...and that is dependent upon another. I should know more hopefully later today. I think Jean is either the Herald and wishes to stop me or she is severely misguided. I'm tending to think the former as opposed to the latter at this point. She knows my plan and I have laid it out for her. Perhaps that was a mistake, but she was to be a key part in my continuing on in the game. |
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10-09-2008, 02:22 PM | #1661 |
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I may have urgent business to attend to elsewhere soon, which may take the rest of the day. So I would like to share my suspicions now, before it is too late.
I feel that Mimic has been acting erratically, and against the best interests of our goals. His actions are questionable, but his explanations and theories are, at best, incoherent, and at worst, dangerously distracting. This run on Nightcrawler has merit, but I do not see Firebird's discovery as fully damning as yet, and I think it possible that some of the move toward him is born of distraction. For now, I will act, and time permitting I will attempt to provide examples leading to my concern about Mimic. I know not when I will be called away today. STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC ACTIVATE DEFENSE
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10-09-2008, 02:23 PM | #1662 | |
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Then I shall give you some suspects Lord Doom. Since you believe there was one or more traitors on the original council, it may make sense to attack one of them. And I agree that there was likely at least one on the council to begin with. How about Spiderman? We are all kind of forgetting about him because he's barely participating, but remember he apparantly did nothing in the first Galactus mission. Others proposed he simply was not suited for the space mission, which seems to be a weak reasoning to me. Perhaps he is this Herald of Galactus we appear to be looking for now, and thus he could not harm his master? To be honest I'm not sold on this theory myself, but perhaps it is one worth exploring. |
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10-09-2008, 02:24 PM | #1663 |
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When's the last time Spidey's been here?
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10-09-2008, 02:25 PM | #1664 | |
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Not that I feel you are that off base about mimic.. but I don't understand your comments about Firebird... Nightcrawler basically admitted what firebird said was true, but played it off as someone has been controlling him or something. |
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Doom believes the following have not acted or committed to act this day.
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10-09-2008, 02:28 PM | #1666 | |
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10-09-2008, 02:29 PM | #1667 | ||
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I guess I don't understand why people are thinking there is not much to this.. Firebird has been getting this message multiple days (She refers to both night 1 and night 2 messages) that Nightcrawler is not what he seems. Nightcrawler basically admits to it but says someone has been controlling him (for two days?).. So that means there has to be someone who is telepathic that hasn't gone on a mission for two days that is controlling nightcrawler to make him evil or not as he seems? Is there anyone who even fits that category now? I think pretty much anyone who is telepathic has used up a Special action or at least gone on a mission one of the days right? I guess I am having a hard time seeing how nightcrawler is a good guy here.. At worst he is a third party, possibly skull.. possibly herald, possibly something else.. |
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Mr F - While I don't think Nightcrawler is a bad place to attack today, I think just chalking it up as a lets-all-vote-there situation is a bad tactic if we really want to be successful here. If we're wrong, we just wasted a day. We have the time, let's discuss, and I say that full well knowing one of the likely topics of discussion is the original Prelates of which I was one.
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10-09-2008, 02:31 PM | #1669 |
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Reed - I am telepathic and I have not. However I have not utilized my telepathic powers to control anybody to this point. I suppose you all will have to take my word for that though. I have been building up my energy so that I have the energy to do it twice without recharging.
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10-09-2008, 02:33 PM | #1670 | ||
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Yesterday, these 2 comments made me suspicious of Mimic. Why so much interest in having the new Prelate appointed? Adding in some of the new research folks have been doing today with regards to traitor motives, I believe Mimic was the Prelate traitor. I was going to do this much sooner, but I had to dig up these 2 posts. With work getting in the way, it took me a few to find them. STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC |
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10-09-2008, 02:33 PM | #1671 | |
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I have been a part of the discussions regarding other things, I have no problems with multiple topics of discussion at the same time if we have good reason for it. I simply mean in regards to today's attacks. I feel I did an adequate job of detailing last night how it likely would be in the bad guy's best interest to try to spread the attacks around as much as possible to weaken as many people as possible. Unless we are certain about multiple people, it seems like a recipe to get multiple people killed one days to which the percentages are not in our favor. |
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10-09-2008, 02:34 PM | #1672 |
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In Firebird's defense Lord Doom, she did say she would be away today, and did provide us with a potential suspect in Nightcrawler. In fact I think she may be a good person to protect with Dr. Richards device if Nightcrawler does indeed turn out to be a traitor.
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10-09-2008, 02:34 PM | #1673 | |
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Interesting conclusion, and one that I do not disagree with (which is not to say that I agree with it either, just that the idea has merit). |
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10-09-2008, 02:35 PM | #1674 |
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Here's a question I'd like to know, maybe one of you can answer it:
Is Firebird some sort of telepath type? If not, how did she come up with the information on Nightcrawler?
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Yes, Reed, to be sure, I am not casting aspersions on Firebird. I am suggesting that the data she brought to light is by nature incomplete, and may not, by itself, indicate Nightcrawler's need to die tonight. I am not attempting to clear Kurt Wagner, but I am instead voicing my growing concern about the former Second Prelate. I believe Mimic, if evil, is a greater threat to our cause than Nightcrawler. Two quick items: 1) Nightcrawler at least played a key role in a successful mission. 2) Mimic has set an artificial (I believe) timetable for success against Galactus which, had Doom not assumed the mantle of leadership, would have given the rebels time for victory, assuming that the two-rebels-on-the-council theory were true.
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I second this.
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10-09-2008, 02:40 PM | #1677 | |
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Is Firebird some sort of telepath type? If not, how did she come up with the information on Nightcrawler?
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10-09-2008, 02:41 PM | #1678 | |
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Lets weigh the reward/risk of each though... Nightcrawler does not seem to have any option to prove himself to be other than what Firebird has said, while Mimic has at least said that his actions on the third day would prove his not being a traitor. If he is unable to do so by tommorrow, then I'll likely join in with you on this vote.. but I think that the risk ratio of being wrong about nightcrawler is much less than that of being wrong about mimic I guess. |
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10-09-2008, 02:41 PM | #1679 |
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I think I'm with Cable.
REVOKE ATTACK ON NIGHTCRAWLER ATTACK MIMIC
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According to Wiki, she has precognition or ESP as a talent so it likely entered this game.
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I dunno why I would have so much interest. Quote:
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there should be some extremely interesting results today. I look forward to it!
Anyhow, I'm sort of drawing some conclusions here. |
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I am concerned that Silver Surfer and myself may be at danger if we do not receive more assistance in our mission.
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Emma - do you believe that what Mimic says might have merit and Jean may be the Herald / a rebel? Or do you feel that Mimic is perhaps a rebel?
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10-09-2008, 02:50 PM | #1685 |
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If you believe one of these to be true, and you release me from my guarding mission, I can ascertain whether it is true...
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This is the first intance I found, and while not overly concerning, it was at the time considered by some to be a random, and unstrategic move. Quote:
Here, I contend that Mimic is using the classic strategy of declaring his exact methodology, but casting away suspicion since he is the one to bring it up. Another note, I may be called away at any moment, I'll try to continue as long as I may.
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Well, to get this out in the open this was what happened (as told to Magneto, Professor X, Jean Grey, and later the Scarlet Witch (I also think Quicksilver and Colossus got a hold of this story as well)):
When Iron Fist came up with a power that could delay Galactus, I thought "how convenient". Then I realized with the "Make Your Own Power" power I could make up my own power. I made up a power that would let me absorb Galactus' might and defeat him, thus eliminating him from the game. Well, it doesn't work that simply. I need 20 energy in order to do it and another player to boost me to a level to which I could absorb Galactus' power. Also, a bad side effect of using this power is that I will die. That first night I was prepared to accept that and go down in a blaze of glory... Also, I would be cleared in the process. Yesterday I thought about it more and realized that this is a freakin' comic book game. Characters come back from the dead all the time. I came up with the idea that perhaps Jean could bring me back from the dead with her "Make Your Own Power" but when I joined the Brotherhood, that didn't work out as well as Magneto not being able to boost my power. I had to seek someone else out and initially believed Doom could do this. Doom wouldn't join me for a private conversation so I kept that under wraps. Hopefully the Scarlet Witch can boost my power as I have 15 energy at the moment and will reach 20 in two more days. Now that this is out in the open, I can only fear the Herald as the Rebels know I will eliminate a threat to them as well. Can I still come back from the dead? I have some ideas with certain characters that I would need help from, but it would be worth it to bring me back since I would be a known quantity and have some pretty good powers...some of which you'll see today if you continue to attack me. |
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Beast, Henry Pym and Quicksilver go with you too Emma, and Scarlet Witch assists from the earth.
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Oh, I believe Emma knows this as well and can at least back up that everything I've written is what I've PMed with them about.
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This was a pronouncement by mimic which, you may recall, was widely panned by the assembly. Stop looking for traitors? A truce? Hmm.
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You're not making any sense. How would I cause the storm when I didn't go on the mission? What, did I give Beast some of my power? It ain't possible. |
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As you wish, Lord Doom. One of the issues I wish to discuss is a potential vulnerability of Galactus. He relies on his body armor to regulate his functions. If those functions can be disrupted, I expect he would become much weaker -- perhaps weak enough for Mimic's scheme to succeed. I have a certain...aptitude...for disassembling devices, as was seen on the mission against the destroyer. If anyone can find a way to affect the armor, it would be you, Lordship. |
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10-09-2008, 03:02 PM | #1693 | |
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Hence my statement that if you had asked earlier, IE prior to the mission, I could have reserved a point for your demonstration. And since Mr. Storm has now been eliminated and verified my distrust of him I can be honest with my abilities. I do 2 points of damage per ep I expend. I hit him with 3 points because I suspected he was not what he said he was. I have no solid evidence, it was a gut feeling, luckily my instincts were correct in this case. I postured strongly to keep everyone leery of trying to attack me for fear of my retaliation. Victor, I will do as ordered if you so choose, (guarding tonight) however I am still very weak from the attack on Galactus and fear that I may not be the best person to protect anyone this evening. |
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This was indeed the idea that Mimic came up with and presented to us.
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Mimic, this is indeed a bold plan. Do we have any way of supporting it, though? How are we to know that you were not just selling a bill of goods to Magneto, Jean (actually I suspect she may be in the plot with you anyway), and Scarlet Witch? If I find myself convinced, and I can get in before the deadline I'll certainly be willing to remove my attack.
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Sure I've made mistakes, but c'mon you must have a short-circuit if you think that a traitor would be so heavy handed. I hesitate to write this since I'm sure you'll respond with something like That's what you want us to think. I can feel it in my android joints that you are the rebel/traitor. |
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I still think since we surely are looking for more than one traitor, what is the harm in giving Mimic tommorrow to prove he is not just trying to sell us a bill of sale here. Many of the same concerns you bring up are ones I have already voiced (and as far as I know, I was the only one who voted for mimic yesterday and couldn't get anyone else to join me). If all will be proven before the weekend as he says, we have another decent candidate today to focus on anyways. It is not like we have to randomly choose as if this was day 1. |
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I can confirm that my discussions with the Watcher indicate that Mimic has been working on a plan that would enable us to defeat Galactus. The words of the Watcher were specific enough that I am convinced that Mimic is not lying about this. Lord Doom may have similar insights. Mimic turned to him next to determine if there was a magical or mechanical means through which his power could be boosted. |
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In the event that this has not yet been answered, the "ruling council" does not include Apoc/Doom since they have to be eliminated. It does make up whatever number of prelates are in the game at the time. |
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