Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

3). I trust cronin because he is almost assuredly a good guy, he sayys Lathum is fine. I gotta go with that.

I believe cronin said that he wasn't able to know if a person he visits is good or bad.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

No I cannot confirm that they are a good guy. They get the nightly message of success, not me.

Last night, I had an interaction with st. cronin due to my ability, and the pm description of st cronin led me to beleive that I know his role, and if correct, he would not be a titan. My knowlegde of Greek mythology is decent, but not amazing, so its possible I could be wrong, but I'm confident enough in my beleif that I mention it here.

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Trying to catch me in a lie, eh?

I can trigger a person's ability, choosing a new target. If they have several, they can choose which one, and I don;t know what their ability is. It's kinda blind.

For real, your first quote was further up the page. Can you explain that if you don't know what their ability is, then why would the PM description of cronin lead you to believe you would know what his role is?

[Abe Sargent]

Of course, if Lathum is a bad guy, I think CR might be able to tell us who teh fourth is, so there is that.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

For real, your first quote was further up the page. Can you explain that if you don't know what their ability is, then why would the PM description of cronin lead you to believe you would know what his role is?

Because it was cronin triggering his ability on me, not vice versa. he indicates that in an earlier pm and said his attempt faiuled.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I;m just saying that I find it conveinant that Apollo would suddenly rr when several people are missing and point teh finger at someone with a valuable role who isnt here tio defend himself most of the weekend.

Ok then. Let the real Apollo show up and claim.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

obviously you are comfortable with Lathum...how comfortable are you saying that say...Anxiety is a bad-guy? what would you say your certainty-level is?

I'm 100% on Lathum. Anxiety I'm about 95% at this point. He's contradicting himself all over the pages.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Because it was cronin triggering his ability on me, not vice versa. he indicates that in an earlier pm and said his attempt faiuled.

Okay. I could believe that.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm 100% on Lathum. Anxiety I'm about 95% at this point. He's contradicting himself all over the pages.

How am I doing that? Show me, and I'll answer anything you desire

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

For real, your first quote was further up the page. Can you explain that if you don't know what their ability is, then why would the PM description of cronin lead you to believe you would know what his role is?

RA, let's not overthink and overaccuse.

Lathum is apparently the only Titan you are sure about.

Anxiety and st.cronin are linked not by definite vouchers, but by coincidental ones due to their roles.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I have a strong suspicion about cronin, and he ain;t a titan. If he vouches for an uncontroverted rr and bg early inteh game, I'm not going against that.

Points for Lauthum being exatly who he is:

1). As we just learned, the Titans don;lt know whgat roles are in teh game and can;t just randomly rr. That makes Lathum;s early rr even more ironclad

2). BG rr early revealed, unconmtroverted as well. Another point in his favor.

3). I trust cronin because he is almost assuredly a good guy, he sayys Lathum is fine. I gotta go with that.


That's a strong person to go after just because you have a hunch. LEt's wait until we hear from CR before barking up that tree.

Yeah, I voted for Lathum on a hunch. Keep calling it that.

[Abe Sargent]

I hope CR shows up soon.

[Neon_Chaos]

RA, Anxiety, let's not shoot each other here.

It's an RA/Lathum vote for the weekend, most likely, and let's keep it that way. We don't need a scare like what happened today with ae's votes on hoops.

[Abe Sargent]

Hold on, CR's here

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

RA, let's not overthink and overaccuse.

Lathum is apparently the only Titan you are sure about.

Anxiety and st.cronin are linked not by definite vouchers, but by coincidental ones due to their roles.

Very true, which is why I go with voting for Lathum and letting me scan Anxiety.

Also, FYI, this is how my CoT began: I was contacted by Hermes, who I had to figure out was RendeR by looking for the poster who said Pain Heals. That sucked because I had to do a Control-F to find the quote. It's in his signature! LOL. Anyhow, he said I could trust DaddyTorgo. When you (Neon) vouched for Telle, I knew she was good. I automatically put you in my CoT because of that since a Titan wouldn't vouch for her (she was on the chopping block at the time).

[Raiders Army]

Actually the CoT began with Barkeep whom I scanned in the first cycle.

[Neon_Chaos]

CR, you are up. If can so kindly shed some light?

[Abe Sargent]

to be fair, there is a lot of catch up on

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I;m just saying that I find it conveinant that Apollo would suddenly rr when several people are missing and point teh finger at someone with a valuable role who isnt here tio defend himself most of the weekend.

No offense, but you must've missed hoops' posts pretty much calling me out as Apollo.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn;t get it. But I'm obtuse with my siugnals and seeing signals. hoops thought I was the opposite of what I was signaling earlier int eh game. I don;t get hints.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Raiders, did you have a new name to add to our trust list today? Would love to hear it now in the event that you get a late night visitor ...

Right here. Unfortunately, he was the one to receive a visitor.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

CR, you are up. If can so kindly shed some light?

Am I to guess, Anxiety, that you believe I now know the identity of Medusa?

[Chief Rum]

Maybe I should have quoted Anxiety.

[Abe Sargent]

I would never read that as "Since you are Apollo" because if hoops really thought e was appolo, then why bring attention to it at all?

This must be why I dont get signals, they make no sense.

[Abe Sargent]

CR, let's see what ya got from last night. What happened, from your perspective.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

LOL. This is no villager vs villager slap fight. This is a villager (moi) vs wolf (Lathum) fisticuff. I do feel bad since real life is taking precedence for him right now preparing for his wedding, but on the flip side at least he knows he doesn't have to worry about the game any more.

I find it curious that you believe we're both villagers. Either I'm lying or he's a wolf.

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I;m just saying that I find it conveinant that Apollo would suddenly rr when several people are missing and point teh finger at someone with a valuable role who isnt here tio defend himself most of the weekend.

Also, trying not to pick here, but you don't mention the fact that Lathum isn't able to defend himself until I state it earlier.

[Chief Rum]

I did have a curious thing happen to me last night, and it is clear Anxiety did indeed use his power on me. Anxiety, can you not only trigger my power but pick my target as well?

[Neon_Chaos]

Um... wasn't it common knowledge since the start of day 4 that Raiders was Apollo? He did everything but reveal his role.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, I mentioned it after you reminded me. No hiding that from me.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I did have a curious thing happen to me last night, and it is clear Anxiety did indeed use his power on me. Anxiety, can you not only trigger my power but pick my target as well?

Correct, I can pick a target, however, you choose which power to use if you have multiple. So again, what happened?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I would never read that as "Since you are Apollo" because if hoops really thought e was appolo, then why bring attention to it at all?

This must be why I dont get signals, they make no sense.

Honestly, I thought it was pretty apparent when I switched my vote off Telle when Neon vouched for her. I thought everyone would see that when Neon didn't claim to be Apollo and Telle said she was visited by Apollo that they would assume that I was he.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

CR, let's see what ya got from last night. What happened, from your perspective.

Well, I won't come straight out yet, because I am still determining the value of role revealing.

But I was directed to use my power on hoopsguy last night, or to be exact, I would guess, hoopsguy's role of Hades. Which actually was a waste, unfortunately, and not just because hoops is now dead.

[Abe Sargent]

hoops must be laughing as he reads this...

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Well, I won't come straight out yet, because I am still determining the value of role revealing.

But I was directed to use my power on hoopsguy last night, or to be exact, I would guess, hoopsguy's role of Hades. Which actually was a waste, unfortunately, and not just because hoops is now dead.

Yes you were, so let me tell everyone for teh record:

Last night, I ordered CR to use his power on hoops.

Hoops was stoned and killed.

What does make you, CR?

[Abe Sargent]

the stoner or the killer?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Correct, I can pick a target, however, you choose which power to use if you have multiple. So again, what happened?

It was revealed to me that the role of Hades is in the game, which was not a role I queried with my ability last night.

I put two and two together based on results that you directed me to use my power on hoops, and figured I was witness to his petrification and killing. My power is to reveal what roles are in the game. I can use an AP per role.

But I don't learn identities or witness events. It's a power unique to the type of Titan I am. I am a Titan on the side of good (only one in the game, so far as I have seen).

[Abe Sargent]

We are all waiting

[Abe Sargent]

Apparently you beat my waiting post ")

[Neon_Chaos]

Well, this changes nothing.

I'm backing Raiders Army on this.

Vote Lathum

[Abe Sargent]

Consider this CR:

We've seen the Medusa stone before. No death.

We've seen deaths before =- no stoning

Therefore, it is reasonable to presume that hoops was double targeted, byt both Medusa AND an evil Titan.

Therefore, are you tryint to tell me that you were neither the stoner (Medusa) nor the killer (evil Titan)?

[Raiders Army]

Soooooooo...CR reveals as a "good" Titan? What are your victory conditions?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

the stoner or the killer?

Neither unfortunately. I am Briareus the Vigorous, a Hecatonchires, and the only good Titan in the game. My ability is to reveal what roles are actually in the game. I get one role query per AP point.

[Neon_Chaos]

DaddyT, Telle, we need to be united on this.

Telle, what did your role reveal to you tonight?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

It was revealed to me that the role of Hades is in the game, which was not a role I queried with my ability last night.

I put two and two together based on results that you directed me to use my power on hoops, and figured I was witness to his petrification and killing. My power is to reveal what roles are in the game. I can use an AP per role.

But I don't learn identities or witness events. It's a power unique to the type of Titan I am. I am a Titan on the side of good (only one in the game, so far as I have seen).

That's the story you're going with??? It was "revealed" to you that the role of Hades is in the game? You mean like when you read post 1 where it states that the Titans must kill Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Consider this CR:

We've seen the Medusa stone before. No death.

We've seen deaths before =- no stoning

Therefore, it is reasonable to presume that hoops was double targeted, byt both Medusa AND an evil Titan.

Therefore, are you tryint to tell me that you were neither the stoner (Medusa) nor the killer (evil Titan)?

That's right. And I can prove it. I had one left over AP after your use of my role, and it came back on Odysseus. Odysseus is not in the game at all. So Racer is a Titan.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Neither unfortunately. I am Briareus the Vigorous, a Hecatonchires, and the only good Titan in the game. My ability is to reveal what roles are actually in the game. I get one role query per AP point.

Titans: You will win the game if you eliminate Zeus, Hades, Poseidon from the game as well as have a 1:1 Titan to Olympian ratio. Note: this does include Titans that are sympathetic to the Olympians cause as a Titan in this ratio.

I could possibly see that you are sympathetic to the Olympians, but your victory condition is the same: eliminate us.

[Abe Sargent]

Apollo, can you identify monster as well with your ability?

[Raiders Army]

CR, your power sucks if that is true. What's the point of using more APs towards your power?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That's right. And I can prove it. I had one left over AP after your use of my role, and it came back on Odysseus. Odysseus is not in the game at all. So Racer is a Titan.

Now THIS is news.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

That's the story you're going with??? It was "revealed" to you that the role of Hades is in the game? You mean like when you read post 1 where it states that the Titans must kill Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon?

That's why it was a tremendous waste, Telle. My role PM specifically stated that I did not need to query Hades, Poseidon or Zeus, because they were known to be in the game by the rules.

So by focusing me on hoops, Anxiety actually focused me on "Hades" unnecessarily.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, assuming Apollo is right, if the real BG would now reveal that'd be great.

If you protectected the seer last night, don;t worry, I can make you do it again today, so we can get this last crucial scan of Racer