04-11-2008, 09:50 AM | #1651 |
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I see your point, thanks for explaining. I have the flu and am a little sluggish today
well like I said earlier Cronin, I generaly don't vote for someone unless I want them lynched. And usualy the earlier I vote the more I think they are guilty. |
04-11-2008, 09:51 AM | #1652 | |
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Pass I meant if I get 3 early votes I am gone. Not trying to sound pompous, thats just how things have gone for me lately. Does that make more sense? |
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04-11-2008, 10:01 AM | #1653 | ||
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I've thought the same thing - that his announcement of rejecting the underground could just have easily been cover because he did accept them. However, at the same time, he did tell everyone that he thought I was good: Quote:
But this from Barkeep (in reference to Anxiety rejecting the underground) always seemed just a little off to me: You never know if something happened to him while off the boat as well. Just gathering some data! |
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04-11-2008, 10:03 AM | #1654 | |
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don't be fooled by that kind of stuff, if he is a wolf he would know that you are good. |
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04-11-2008, 10:04 AM | #1655 |
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dola- I thought the same thing about Anxiety also.
It would definantly be in his charecture to reject the underground, which makes me wonder if he really did. |
04-11-2008, 10:05 AM | #1656 |
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For the record, as much as he argues and defends himself, I'm inclined to trust him this vote.
Earlier in the game, cronin seemed to shoot down any lead or idea that anyone had. However, over the course of the past day, he seems to have more normal villager play. So I don't want to vote for him either. That being said, it's time to look for real leads rather than arguing and kvetching for pages! |
04-11-2008, 10:07 AM | #1657 | |
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who are you refering to here? |
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04-11-2008, 10:09 AM | #1658 | |
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I like to play devil's advocate. |
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04-11-2008, 10:10 AM | #1659 |
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04-11-2008, 10:11 AM | #1660 |
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Sorry, I should have stated your name (rather than relying on the quote).
The first line refers to Lathum; the rest refers to cronin. Unless more evidence comes out before 3pm, I'm not voting for either of them today and we need to figure out what leads we have. |
04-11-2008, 10:16 AM | #1661 |
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Current unofficial vote count:
St. Cronin - Barkeep49 (1555), Claphamsa (1559) Lathum - Path12 (1536) jeheinz72 - Sonic Youth (1585) oliegirl - Chief Rum (1527) KWhit - Jackal (1520) Claphamsa - TazFTW (1549) Anxiety - Nfg22 (1644) |
04-11-2008, 10:19 AM | #1662 |
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Alright - I've been in the thread since about 8 am, but with work and so many pages to catch up on, I just now finished reading everything.
First of all, I am SO sorry about being kind of absent this game...I'm trying to keep up and contribute what I can while I'm home, but I didn't expect the complications with my dad to occur and take up so much of my spare time. I do assure you that I am a vanilla villager, no powers other than the item I have that I completed with NFG. My PM this morning stated that I browsed the pawn shop but did not find anything of interest so I didn't purchase anything. At this point, most of my suspicion is on Path. Unless I missed something (which is completely possible) we still can't account for his whereabouts that 1st night and that means he is our most likely candidate for conversion up to now. If I missed something that clears him, I'm happy to change my vote, but until that happens... VOTE PATH12 |
04-11-2008, 10:19 AM | #1663 | |
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Ok, as I've said, I'm not comfortable voting for Cronin or Lathum this go round. The vote on jeheinz is pretty much a spite vote from Sonic Youth (or so it seems). The votes on Oliegirl and KWhit are "gut" votes. That's worth something, but more evidence helps. Claphamsa and Anxiety are on my radar for reasons I've explained this morning. However, if either of them are good and we lynch them, I don't see much info gained from it. It doesn't seem like a "take one for the team" kind of situation. |
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04-11-2008, 10:24 AM | #1664 |
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I'm in the midst of a teaching SIP day which is incredibly painful. Let me throw out a provisional, just in case.
vote St. Cronin |
04-11-2008, 10:25 AM | #1665 | |
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Actually they are connected by the sword. By itself I don't know what it could mean, but added to some other clue somebody might come up with, we might be able to learn something. |
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04-11-2008, 10:26 AM | #1666 |
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You can defend yourself as much as you'd like. I'm just saying that until your story about the ropes is verified, you are my top candidate, that's all. On a side note, I'm going to Canada for the weekend in about 2-3 hours and won't be back until Sunday evening. Plus it's actually supposed to be nice this weekend! Yay!
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04-11-2008, 10:34 AM | #1667 | |
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I must say, you are handy to have around. Of course, exactly how some people would play a wolf, but handy nonetheless.
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04-11-2008, 10:36 AM | #1668 | |
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And you were off the boat with Barkeep over night and claphamsa keeps following his vote. Now is a good opportunity to review who has spent a night off the ship. Maybe that's required for underground indoctrination First night: Path12 Second night: none. Third night: Barkeep49 and PurdueBrad; (Sonic Youth was with the cops. All night?) Fourth night: none. On the ship during the day is also somewhat suspicious, but we've seen that it would be pretty easy to lie about your whereabouts once you find out where no one sees each other. |
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04-11-2008, 10:37 AM | #1669 | |
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well considering we already have sailed to another port I consider it unlikely my story will ever be verifid. I hope customs strip searches you! |
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04-11-2008, 10:37 AM | #1670 | |
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I'll chime in a couple of other potential reasons: - Anxiety vouched for him as "not wolf/underground" per Fortune Teller early in the game - if the underground get to pick their targets (does Anxiety seem like a pick or a random selection?), then a guy who is early trusted is a tempting target - if Clap was offered a chance to go wolf, I think he would take it (unlike Anxiety) |
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04-11-2008, 10:40 AM | #1671 | |
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Abe is a crafty wolf. If it wasn't for the fact I've got such a hard-on for you I'd probably be looking in his direction.
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04-11-2008, 10:41 AM | #1672 |
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04-11-2008, 10:43 AM | #1673 |
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I am thinking about conversion the same way other people are. My assumption HAD been that on day 0 a number of us would become wolves. We didn't see anything nefarious until Lathum claimed the ropes were cut, and we didn't have a kill until Raiders Army, so I may have been wrong about that - but I don't think its the case that the wolves get to pick who they convert. I think our choices determine whether we end up in a conversion situation.
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04-11-2008, 10:43 AM | #1674 | |
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There's nothing to clear me that I'm aware of. I'm as vanilla as a bean though, I've had no options at any point, not found any objects, nada zip zilch. I may be the most clueless player in the game right now.
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04-11-2008, 10:44 AM | #1675 | |
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dola, left out a NOT in that first sentence, last post should read:
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04-11-2008, 10:44 AM | #1676 |
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04-11-2008, 10:45 AM | #1677 |
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I'm leaning towards voting for one of clap, anxiety or cronin. I can't decide which.
All I know is, this spread of votes isn't looking good in my mind. If the wolves have determined that we need x% to lynch someone, their spreading of their votes is them mitigating our chances of anyone dying (and thus continuing the pattern of most of us being completely in the dark) |
04-11-2008, 10:48 AM | #1678 | |
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Anxiety seems like a pick because the underground knew he had just put together "something very potent" as he termed it. |
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04-11-2008, 10:49 AM | #1679 | |
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I think actually the wolves would be pushing this harder than a villager. The wolves want lynches, the villagers want information - which is sometimes generated by close, spread out votes. The wolves want runaways. I still think its possible we have normal voting rules, a tie gives us no lynch, and something happened to SY before he could be kicked off the boat. |
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04-11-2008, 10:50 AM | #1680 | |
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I don't think voting Anxiety is a good play today. I tend to believe his story and there's always tomorrow to go after him.
I say that because he said this: Quote:
Now, if he's not lying, then I suspect something will happen to him because of the whole 'planted evidence at the crime scene.' If he's taken away or detained by police or something, then his story might be true. If nothing happens, then he's likely lying and we can go after him then. |
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04-11-2008, 10:51 AM | #1681 | |
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Then how do you explain Anxiety's situation last night with the underground henchmen approaching him for conversion? I don't they can randomly choose who they want, but rather they have a list of people who chose certain actions that they can select from. I think Anxiety said he'd gone shopping and they cornered him in a dark alley, but I don't remember where Path had gone that first night that he couldn't get back on the boat. |
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04-11-2008, 10:51 AM | #1682 | |
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This would make sense - Anxiety has the completed 'potent' item and is then given a choice by the mechanic of the game to become part of the underground. I thought that if I had the completed sword I would get to be the hunter or something so I kept it quiet (despite heavy hints to Anxiety) until Anxiety mentioned receiving it. |
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04-11-2008, 10:52 AM | #1683 |
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dola, that's one of the reasons I'm suspicious of Barkeep. He's been pushing runaway votes as a strategy for a while now.
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04-11-2008, 10:53 AM | #1684 | |
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This is my thinking as well. |
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04-11-2008, 10:53 AM | #1685 |
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I agree with KWhit
Vote Path12 The fact that he was out all the first night make me wonder about him |
04-11-2008, 10:54 AM | #1686 |
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why in the name of god would you want a tour of Seattle?
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04-11-2008, 10:54 AM | #1687 | |
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Well, I don't know what, if anything, I believe about Anxiety's story. But if I believe it completely, it doesn't clash with what I'm saying at all, which is that the Underground didn't PICK him, they were PRESENTED with him because of HIS actions. |
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04-11-2008, 10:54 AM | #1688 | |
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This is true - if Anxiety is not lynched, there is a high probability that we find out information by what might happen to him next. Planted evidence, killed for not converting, etc. |
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04-11-2008, 10:54 AM | #1689 |
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Cronin, my premise on the game is that "nothing is random". In other words, we get to make choices.
Anxiety's account of the conversion is that he was allowed to make a choice on joining the team - he chose not to join. I fully expect the first person to join the wolves did so by virtue of their choice in destination and, potentially, their associated task. In other words, I think it is a combination of "their" choices and "our" choices that determine the conversion. This also factors into my concerns around Clap ... I'm pretty confident he would have said "hell yeah!" if given a choice to join the wolf team. |
04-11-2008, 10:54 AM | #1690 |
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04-11-2008, 10:55 AM | #1691 |
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VOTE CLAPHAMSA
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04-11-2008, 10:57 AM | #1692 | |
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Sorry, I misread your original post on this, we are saying the same thing, just in different ways Damn phone ringing and interrupting my ww concentration! |
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04-11-2008, 10:57 AM | #1693 | |
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My working theory is that it takes 2 underground to perform a conversion or kill. This is because 2 henchmen cornered Anxiety - that seems important to me (and unique for a WW game, I think). So I think we should look closely at the people who have been out all night on nights when there weren't wolf kills. It's possible that the wolves were doing other things (conversions, etc) on those nights, but it might be that they couldn't make a kill because they didn't have the number of people required to do so. |
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04-11-2008, 10:58 AM | #1694 | |
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In that instance, Path said he fell asleep on the beach (IIRC). He definitely went to the beach that day, hence the high vote on Claphamsa that day who also went to the beach. A fortune teller then told (Anxiety? nfg22?) that claphamsa was not a threat. But then that would immediately make him a good conversion target. |
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04-11-2008, 10:59 AM | #1695 |
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Gotta run to lunch - be back in an hour or so....
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04-11-2008, 10:59 AM | #1696 | |
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I guess my main point is that I don't THINK that the underground gets to just pick somebody to convert. Which seems like you are thinking the same way. So the argument "such and such was trusted, he'd be a great candidate for conversion" is a silly argument in this game. That's where I'm coming from. |
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04-11-2008, 11:00 AM | #1697 | |
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Correct, but the wolves only want lynches if those lynches are villagers. So I guess what I'm saying is, if a wolf is in the mix for the lynch, their vote anywhere is effectively just as potent whereas in "regular" WW, it is the most votes. Now, you're right, we don't know 100% that it's a % based voting thing, but I'm inclined to think it is, since the Day that SY was voted out, he didn't leave immediately as Swaggs did, he had a whole excursion and *then* left the boat. So I see those as two separate events (un-lynched and arrested/gone) |
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04-11-2008, 11:02 AM | #1698 | |
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I don't think this is true, let me pull up the post. |
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04-11-2008, 11:04 AM | #1699 |
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04-11-2008, 11:07 AM | #1700 |
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